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Jeff Lebowski

Local Officials: What's our governor smoking?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/marijuana-77364-legalizing-california.html


Reaction to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's suggestion that California should study legalizing marijuana had a familiar refrain locally: Just say no.

Local elected officials and law enforcement see little benefit to the idea, and even a local advocate for pot legalization acknowledges there are a lot of questions that would need answers before the idea was viable.

Sutter County Supervisor Jim Whiteaker had a response that could speak for many: "The governor's idea would explain a lot of the decisions made at the state level lately."

Whiteaker, who opposes the idea, said the effects of drug addiction on families and communities would be worsened if someone could pick up marijuana at the corner store legally.

"Marijuana itself does impede judgments," Whiteaker said, adding he'd worry that people responsible for public safety, such as bus drivers, might partake of marijuana if it was legal.

Schwarzenegger last week suggested a marijuana legalization study, saying state leaders should consider the merits of a state Assembly bill by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, that would legalize and heavily tax marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol.

He made the remark in response to a question about new Field Poll findings that show 56 percent of the state's registered voters favored legalizing and taxing marijuana. Nationally, legalizing marijuana is roughly split 50-50 between those in favor and those opposed.

Opposition to marijuana legalization peaked during the late 1960s and '70s, but has abated in recent years, particularly as voters in more states, including California in 1996, have passed medical marijuana initiatives that allow people with a specified medical condition to legally buy, grow and smoke or consume a defined amount of marijuana.

Fourteen states now have such programs, with New Jersey and Michigan the most recent to allow medical marijuana.

Since 215 passed, however, local governments have struggled with how to handle the issue.

Last April, Yuba County supervisors voted to create an ID card for medicinal marijuana users to make their use less likely to result in arrest.

In Sutter County, however, the planning commission and the cities of Yuba City and Live Oak have banned medical marijuana dispensaries from opening. No dispensaries are openly operating in either Yuba or Sutter counties.

Assemblyman Dan Logue (R-Linda) said now is not the time to discuss full legalization, especially when the state has larger problems.

"My take is that the governor ought to explore ways to grow our economy, and concentrate on bringing jobs back to California," said Logue, who added he wouldn't support marijuana legalization even in a more prosperous time.

Though proponents of Ammiano's bill have touted the economic benefit for California in the form of marijuana taxes, Logue said that reasoning is flawed.

"You're not creating new wealth, you're just moving it around," he said.

Sutter County District Attorney Carl Adams said that medical marijuana already creates an uncomfortable position for law enforcement that legalizing marijuana would make worse.

Because marijuana is still considered illegal by the federal government, Adams said, officers are obligated to arrest those who possess marijuana. If they then claim the marijuana is for medicinal purposes, the charges can be dropped and the pot returned.

But because the marijuana is still considered contraband at the federal level, Adams said, officers and prosecutors who return it to medicinal users could conceivably be considered accessories.

"If the California law was the same as federal law, that would solve the problem," he said. Legalizing it in California, with no change at the federal level, he said, just widens the gaps between the laws.

Adams would find partial agreement with a Yuba County resident who's on the opposite side of the legalize-it fence.

Steve King, a member of the medicinal marijuana advocacy group Yuba County Compassionate Use Co-op, said legalizing marijuana brings up a host of burning questions.

Among them, he said, is how to dismantle the prohibition system in place, how to create a distribution system for legal pot, and how to keep the federal government from going after that system.

"With anything legal for sale, you have a manufacturer who produces something that goes to wholesale and then goes to retail and the consumer," King said. "That all has to be set up if you legalize pot."

King said marijuana prohibition has failed, so legalizing it makes sense. But doing so is not a flip-the-switch proposition, he cautioned.

"I'd love to see it happen," he said. "But I don't think it'll happen as quickly as the governor thinks."

Contact Appeal-Democrat reporter Ben van der Meer at 749-4709 or [email protected].


(I would like to point out that Sutter County is one inner seated county that does not recognize Prop 215 or SB 420) Also, Yuba County current unemployment is above 20%. There is a voting section on the side, if we can stuff that box and hammer the reporter to follow up on this story it could be good for NorCal residents within these archaic counties. Thank you
 

slappyjack

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"Assemblyman Dan Logue (R-Linda) said now is not the time to discuss full legalization."

Big surprise.. He's a Republican, nuff said.

Yea, I know Arnold is an R too, but at least he's no longer a typical dickmunch regressive R.
 
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JackTheGrower

"Though proponents of Ammiano's bill have touted the economic benefit for California in the form of marijuana taxes, Logue said that reasoning is flawed.

"You're not creating new wealth, you're just moving it around," he said."


Isn't that called stimulating the economy?

Perhaps we need to go prop 215 on them... After all two medical marijuana bills were passed by the legislature and promptly vetoed by the Governor.

The people may well have to do this as a ballot initiative.

I'm actually hoping we can skip the bozo republicans and go to ballot boxes.

Stanislaus county is a republican represented area.. We are just now getting medical cards.
 
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Jeff Lebowski

I had a few "friends" (another time) who within the last few months had the cops called on their apartment for a noise complaint. I have repeatedly advised them to their legal rights, but the more stupid of the two of them allowed the police to come in a search their apartment over a noise complaint due to his fear of a warrant. They found lots of pot and pieces, asked for a medical defense. None was given and they walked out the door.

I believe they would have been arrested or at least cited had they tried a medical defense within Sutter County. Why would they let non-medical people off the hook while implying there is a blurred line over medical marijuana and law enforcement?

Sutter county does not recognize SB420 or Prop 215.
 

spadedNfaded

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I love how politicians can pick and choose which laws they'd like to defend. It's a law, defend it. You're the assemblyman for a COUNTY, not the United States. Act like it.

Cops front like oh i know MJ is so taboo but i have to defend it, it's the law. BUt when the medical MJ is a law, it's looked at with a very fine tooth comb. It's a law douchebag, defend it.

- SubN
 

Koroz

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Whiteaker, who opposes the idea, said the effects of drug addiction on families and communities would be worsened if someone could pick up marijuana at the corner store legally.

"Marijuana itself does impede judgments," Whiteaker said, adding he'd worry that people responsible for public safety, such as bus drivers, might partake of marijuana if it was legal.

Yes, because since alcohol prohibition was ended, the coming months we saw such an increase in public safety, public works, and public transportation workers picking up the bottle and just drinking on the job because it was legalized!

My summation would be that people who are going to break the law, are going to do so regardless if herb was legalized or not. If they chose to smoke on the job the act of legalizing the herb will not change that.
 

Maj.PotHead

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I had a few "friends" (another time) who within the last few months had the cops called on their apartment for a noise complaint. I have repeatedly advised them to their legal rights, but the more stupid of the two of them allowed the police to come in a search their apartment over a noise complaint due to his fear of a warrant. They found lots of pot and pieces, asked for a medical defense. None was given and they walked out the door.

I believe they would have been arrested or at least cited had they tried a medical defense within Sutter County. Why would they let non-medical people off the hook while implying there is a blurred line over medical marijuana and law enforcement?

Sutter county does not recognize SB420 or Prop 215.
Sutter county does not recognize SB420 or Prop 215.
kinda like Inyo they dont either the voters from both countys need to band together and vote the opposition out of office.
 
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JackTheGrower

I'm thinking we need a merged thread on AB 390.. It may be a "long train coming"

And we can have a complete collection of posts if we want... A thought anyway..


Here is another news article in the same reaction mode as the above..

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http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_12341049

Governor Schwarzenegger fires up pot debate
By Dan Abendschein, Staff Writer
Posted: 05/10/2009 10:01:01 PM PDT

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger tried to spark up a little debate this week when he suggested the state should discuss reforming marijuana laws.

But most area legislators opted not to partake.

Schwarzenegger said Wednesday in a public appearance that he would not necessarily support legalization, but rather that the state "ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs."

California legislators may end up being forced to do just that. A bill introduced by state Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, calls for marijuana to be legalized and taxed. Ammiano estimates it could gain the state $1.3 billion in revenue, based on taxing pot at $50 an ounce.

"With the state in the midst of an historic economic crisis, the move towards regulating and taxing marijuana is simply common sense. This legislation would generate much-needed revenue for the state, restrict access to only those over 21, end the environmental damage to our public lands from illicit crops, and improve public safety by redirecting law enforcement efforts to more serious crimes," Ammiano said in a prepared statement.

"California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana," Ammiano's statement continued.

Though all local Republican legislators said they will oppose the bill, local Democratic legislators,
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with the exception of state Sen. Carol Liu, D-Glendale, either declined to comment or did not return repeated calls for comment.

Liu said she is open to debate on the issue, but she does not think it should be a priority.

"The state has huge problems - we've got bigger issues than marijuana," said Liu.

She said that she is not sure what position she will take on AB 390 if it gets out of committee for a floor vote.

Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-La Ca ada Flintridge, said he did not want to comment on it. Assembly members Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, Ron Calderon, D-Montebello, and Mike Eng, D-Monterey Park, as well as Sen. Gloria Romero, D-Los Angeles, did not return calls on the issue.

Sen. Bob Huff, R-Glendora, on the other hand, said it was not even worth discussing.

"The fundamental problem is that it is illegal on a federal level," said Huff.

Assemblyman Curt Hagman, R-Chino Hills, said he would oppose it as long as law enforcement officers do.

"I'm not going to debate people about using it for medical issues, but as far as full legalization, our law enforcement has repeatedly said they think it is a bad idea," said Hagman.

Huff said he interpreted Schwarzenegger's comments as meaning that if the Legislature passed the bill to legalize marijuana, he would sign it into law.

Assemblyman Anthony Adams, R-Claremont, said, however, that he did not think the bill would have enough support.

"I don't think there will be a serious discussion for this bill," said Adams.

Recent polls have showed increased support for marijuana legalization both in California and in the nation as a whole. A recent Field Poll study showed 56 percent of Californians in favor of legalization, while a nationwide Zogby poll showed 52 percent in favor compared to 37 percent opposed.

Marijuana advocates believe that it is now only a matter of time before the drug becomes legalized. Bruce Mirken, of the Marijuana Policy Project, said politicians are behind the general public on the issue.

"The fact is, until recently, the idea of legalization was considered politically untenable," said Mirken. "All of a sudden it is a national issue ... and I think there has been a clear shift in favor of tax and regulation."

There are not a lot of medical marijuana clinics in east Los Angeles County, though a clinic in Whittier holds regular sessions on getting a prescription, and a class in Pasadena teaches how to set up a clinic.

Advocates of marijuana legislation also have some political influence: A local political action committee, Coalition for a Safe and Clean Environment that is run by marijuana advocates, donated $17,425 to local political campaigns, including $7,200 to Assemblyman Ed Hernandez.

Despite that, not all politicians see the legalization of pot as inevitable.

"I wouldn't say it will definitely happen," said Liu. "I wouldn't rule out any possibility.
 
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Jeff Lebowski

Therein is the lie, because they do not even recognize medical marijuana from a political standpoint on both sides of aisle. I can't find the norml page regarding politicians voting record, but I am sure you would see Curt Hagman from Chino Hills voted no on protecting patients ability to keep employment - AB 2279.

In addition, why do they only follow law enforcement guidelines? Is there a need for a legislature then?
 

Skip

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According to my reading of the current attitude of the Feds, if it doesn't violate BOTH California and Federal law it is legal.

So if the state decides to legalize it, then the Feds would have to lay off according to their own instructions.

The first article in the OP, is nothing but a propaganda piece designed by lobbyists to suppress any action on this matter. You can expect to see more of this. This type of propaganda is funded by the Prison Corporations, the hundreds of companies making big bucks when cannabis offenders must go thru "treatment", the alcohol and tobacco lobbies that stand to lose a lot when more ppl start smoking pot.

We must stand up to this propaganda and correct their inaccuracies (there are several in that article). For instance the 60s & early 70s were NOT the time that there was a huge movement against legalization. In fact the opposite is true and many states decriminalized mj during that period, a fact they'd like to cover up.

Nixon did start the war on drugs, which Reagan continued thru the 80s. But the 60s & 70s were a time of organizing the masses for social change, and it's starting again. Great to see so many ppl getting active!
 
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Jeff Lebowski

Showing up to meetings when health permits, posting on articles and writing my representatives is the best I can do for now. However, get a hold of me in a little while when my law degree is complete and I will write legislation every day to inundate the system with reform. This is a human rights based cause, look at the consequences of prohibition and say it is not.

Also, don't forget to vote in the poll located on the page containing this article.
 

Thundurkel

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The funny part about all the fuckers crying about not wanting to see it legal.. IT ALREADY IS IDIOTS!!!! It's SO easy for anyone in Cali to get a card as it is so it's pretty much just a yearly fee at the moment to get your recommendation. So I don't see why they are whining so much when you have dispensaries and collectives all over the state producing tons and tons of cannabis each year along with ALOT of money!
 

Preacher

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Okay, an intelligent person who's just very misinformed could conceivably think it's a good idea to oppose full legalization. But why the fuck are they against a study? The only reason anyone would censor information and nothing more is because they already know that knowledge and reason are against them.
 

PondeLftHndSide

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"Marijuana itself does impede judgments," Whiteaker said, adding he'd worry that people responsible for public safety, such as bus drivers, might partake of marijuana if it was legal.

What bullshit... Koroz nailed it:
If they chose to smoke on the job the act of legalizing the herb will not change that.

It takes a certain type of person to toke up and drive a bus, and that person is probably already doing just that, legal or not.

Quick funny story about such a person - I remember taking the school bus home from continuation school at age 16, and trying to set up a deal with this girl for a $10 bag. We got to her stop and she said "by the way, it's shake", to which I replied "never mind, I don't want any shake". The bus driver, without missing a beat, looked at us all in the big rearview mirror and said very loudly "that's right - gotta be bud, gotta be green!".
 

Pops

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All this legalization talk is bullshit, smoke and mirrors. The general assembly passed a bill legalizing hemp and Arnold wouldn't sign it as it was illegal Federally.

What most folks don't realize is that if California had increased their spending since 1990 only by the rate of inflation + the rate of population growth, California would have a $15 billion surplus instead of a $42 billion deficit. Politicians love to spend taxpayer money on programs that will get them re-elected. They do not care what happens to the economy or the people.

California has now lost 1.4 million residents, as people and business are leaving the nations most populated state. Business costs here are 20% higher than neighbor states, making cali a very expensive place to do business.

Politicians are looking for new ways to tax people and raise income rather than ways to cut costs and save their state.
 

slappyjack

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Hey Pops, remember Enron? Enron RAPED California in 2000-2001, and they got away with it. Later the housing bubble popped and CA real estate owners got screwed.

CA's problems are now happening all over the country, and it has nothing to do with budgets. CA was just a lead indicator of the horrors of Republican sponsored deregulated business/utilities/industry that was DESIGNED to destroy the middle class. It's the one thing the Bush administration was successful at.

I think Arnold is full of shit too, but for different reasons. He's pretty much a populist and will do whatever the polls tell him to. Fortunately now the polls are telling him to legalize.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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Someone needs to beat this whiteaker with a bag of oranges for about an hour. jk dont do this
 
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ocean99

What I think would be ideal is if the states would periodically throw some mmj taxes over the feds way, like if we could be buddies just shootin some chips in a time of crisis. Were the federal govt. not funded by special interests this might be possible. Oh lawdy, where did we go wrong?
 

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