Please help me a lifetime of work is gonna be lost without YOUR help!!!!

[Budz4Freedom]

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!! i love IC im a longtime lurker from the og days and i have a huge problem,


All my clones dont seem to be rooting anymore and i might lose all my gentics which include SR-71 PK, Chemdog D, Sour D, Strawberry Cough, and also a buetiful blueberry.

Heres my situation.....

Ive always cloned well during the summer months but now i get nothing! i use a heat pad and have 100% percent humidity and have used the same clone tray for years. any help would be very appreciated!!!

ALso i have no mothers and my plants are 4 weeks flowering so d you think this would be a problem rooting then reveging them?

 

[RetroGrow]

For 100% cloning success, build a DIY aerocloner.
Use search function.

 

[Bodhita]

How do you take clones, and for how long have you waited for your new clones to get roots?

Revegging your plants after harvest will be fine, dude. It will just take some time.

 

[PharmaCan]

Or you can make some clones from your flowering plants then reveg the clones. But before you do that you might want to clean and disinfect your entire clone-op. It's kinda strange to have a 100% failure rate and it could be that your tray or some other part of the op is contaminated with something.

Good luck!

PC

 

[FreezerBoy]

Pharma's is the first step. A 5% bleach solution followed by a good rinse.

 

[JTDuffet]

revegging flowering clones

revegging flowering clones

To the Original poster, yes. i would suggest you grab some flwoering clones from your plants now if you are truly set on saving your genetics.

has this been done before? yes. SWIM has done this before. it took about 2 weeks for the clones to root. then it took approximately, 2-3 weeks for the plants to revert back to a vegetative state..

basically the flowering head would yield aside a new vegging shute and from there your all set. but like I said, it takes some time. but if your determined to save your genetics, this IS a possibility..

***Advanced personal Details***
there are other drawbacks to this also.. weakened genetics for one thing.. your also going to be using a clone now as your new mother.. and clones lose a little something over time.. I've found if you clone from a clone from a clone, after about 3 generations you get weakened genetics.. smell, taste, potency. not all the same on every plant, but a little of this for the first round say, then on the second they look a little different.. and on the third they don't taste and smell as good as the first, etc..

Just something I've noticed. but again, if you truly want to save your genetic lines, you have no other choice really, aside from starting over again..

-jt

 

[magiccannabus]

Have you tried peat or coir pucks? I clone with both and love them. I never use a heat pad though, not even during the winter.

 

[buddhachronic]

Ive only experienced this with either a contaminated tray or a load of bad water with bad ph etc. Also another thing to consider is whether or not the clone gel has become contaminated - i HAVE had "
bad" batches of Rootech before that killed 100% of my cuts.

Gl duder

 

[Budz4Freedom]

Thank you!!! all of you have been amazing!!!!!

i clone in rw and have waited two weeks atleast and check clones twice a day,
I have had a bad outbreak of PM and i think it got into my clone tray and set itself up a nice home so tomorrow im off to the grow shop to get a new dome and tray with gel and well c what happens!!!

2. also i got my flowering plants in 6 inch RW how would i go about revegin them after harvest ( and before you bitch ive read the reveg thread and searched around)

 

[Budz4Freedom]

You guys are the true heros of IC for coming in here and helping people!!!!!

 

[Natagonnaworrie]

All good advice above.

When you reveg I would just cut back the plant to 4 - 6 smaller areas of growth, maybe trim a little roots and switch to MH, 24 / 0

 

[Maj.PotHead]

pharma and freezerboy hit the nail on the head clean or replace your whole clone OP

heres a thread may be helpful for ya to have and keep a few small mother plants http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919 very good stuff

as for the clone of clone of clone looses potentcy taste or smell not my strains or many many others strains.

as for clones dont make good mother plants few times a yr i have a cut from each strain i have a bonsai mum on stands out and becomes the next yrs mum. havent lost anything from them flatter of mact if anything thier gettn better because i'm dialing them in.

my sugar shack has been clone of clone bonsai mum bonsai mum since 06
my decap mum 07
my memoryloss - {purple urkel {fm} x strawberry desiel {m} strawberry desiel pheno has been either bonsai mum or just cut or 2 run each flower run since 07

thier all just as good if not better then the seed plant the cuts came from

 

[otherwhitemeat]

All good advice except the 'genetic degradation' argument. Genetics don't change...

 

[PharmaCan]

I have had a bad outbreak of PM and i think it got into my clone tray and set itself up a nice home so tomorrow im off to the grow shop to get a new dome and tray with gel and well c what happens!!!

PM can be a bitch. Most likely you will have some amount of PM on any cuttings you take. A good way to mitigate this is to pH some water to 7.5 and let the cuttings soak in it for a couple minutes. That should kill any residual PM on the cuttings. Rockwool clones best at a pH of 5.5 for the liquids you use, so just wash the cuttings with the high pH water and then go back to using your usual stuff in your usual way.

"Green Light Rooting Powder" is about the best I've ever used. It's available at Lowe's for about $5- per bottle.

PC

 

[TwistedRemedy]

DUDE QUIT USEING A HEAT PAD IN SUMMER < JUST LET THEM ROOT ON THERE OWN IT MAY TAKE LONGER BUT TRUST THATS WATS UP.

 

[somedaysoon]

To the Original poster, yes. i would suggest you grab some flwoering clones from your plants now if you are truly set on saving your genetics.

has this been done before? yes. SWIM has done this before. it took about 2 weeks for the clones to root. then it took approximately, 2-3 weeks for the plants to revert back to a vegetative state..

basically the flowering head would yield aside a new vegging shute and from there your all set. but like I said, it takes some time. but if your determined to save your genetics, this IS a possibility..

***Advanced personal Details***
there are other drawbacks to this also.. weakened genetics for one thing.. your also going to be using a clone now as your new mother.. and clones lose a little something over time.. I've found if you clone from a clone from a clone, after about 3 generations you get weakened genetics.. smell, taste, potency. not all the same on every plant, but a little of this for the first round say, then on the second they look a little different.. and on the third they don't taste and smell as good as the first, etc..

Just something I've noticed. but again, if you truly want to save your genetic lines, you have no other choice really, aside from starting over again..

-jt

I love it when utter BS get's distributed through these forums and passed off as fact!

There's so much wrong with your whole post that I don't know where to start.


DNA doesn't degrade or break down,it stays the same forever!!!
this is the make up of a plant,and the older a cutting gets the more mature it gets and only get's better,up until it plateaus ,meaning a cut that is on it's 3-4 gen will have plateaued ..

It certainly never get's worse...

At this point it's up to the individual that is growing it to maintain it and provide what it needs...diseases or pests or insufficient nutrient regiments will be the factor that makes you feel this BS you are selling is fact!


Please tell me how cuts that are up to 20 years and older are still as powerful and robust as the day they were grown are in existence?
Trainwreck, Bubba Kush, Calio AE77, MSS, ISS, SPG, etc etc...


I could fill a book with all the crap that perpetuates the growing community as fact...



The current H1N1 virus circulating has the 1918 Flu virus dna in it that was taken from cadavers which died from it.
They were exhumed in Alaska where they were frozen in graves and the virus is alive and as healthy today as it was then
it didn't degrade,as a matter of fact it's about to make a huge impact on the world's population by Fall when it combines
with the Asian avian flu virus and this new mutated virus culls tens of millions yet again.....you have a few months left of relative
normalcy until this takes place.

 

[FreezerBoy]

DUDE QUIT USEING A HEAT PAD IN SUMMER < JUST LET THEM ROOT ON THERE OWN IT MAY TAKE LONGER BUT TRUST THATS WATS UP.

Dude, quit screaming and quit passing bad advice. If your temps are sub 75º, use a heat source regardless of season.

 

[VerdantGreen]

i would definitely take some clones off the lowest, least flowering branches of your flowering plants now - nothing to lose - use new equipment and put under 24hrs week light - just a cfl or something. dont feed your plants before you do it but make sure they are not dry.

i took reveg cuttings from my blueberry last summer when i realised it was a keeper and they rooted/reveged just fine.

good luck.
V.

 

[Budz4Freedom]

UPDATE:::

All good advice, besides Remedy there, take off the caps lock brosief

just got back from the grow shop and had a good chat with a very knowledgeable friend, he said if this has happend within the last 6 months, which it has, and im using tap water its because instead of putting chlorine in the water the water company has started putting in CHLORIMINE this i think is my problem,

CHLORIMINE unlike chlorine doesnt dissolve after being bubbled out its stays in the water permenatly and inhibits organic growth!!!!

So for now im jus going to use bottled water until i can get an RO filter, i also got a new tray and dome, hygrozyme, rooting gel, and clone specific RW so well c!

WISH ME LUCK!!!!

i also pulled a PK out of flower andput it in my veg room to c if it will revert back and become a mother its in a 6inch RW block so any suggestions would b appriciated!

 

[Green rasta]

Cloning

Cloning

Budz4 freedom I also had this problem but like someone said in the thread, aerocloning machines have almost 100% results. The only bad thing about them Is they r a bit expensive. Some genetics shouldn't be lost know what I mean? Well good luck hope all goes well. Grow ur mind. Peace