Canela X Zamal hermie

[pescador]

I have long overdue smoke reports to come with some picks that I will get done in the next coming days. Amongst the strains i grew last year were 2 female Canelas, each very different, one being extremely indian, tasting exactly like expensive Manali hash I recently had in Amsterdam, and the other very Jamaican pheno.

I grew a zamal from gypsy too that hermied. I did not catch the hermi trait soon enough as I was away (seemed to auto flower a bit). Anyway, I have lots of seeds, mainly from the purple/brown rich Manali pheno. The zamal produced a tiny bit of smoke that was the best high I have experienced (do hermies produce a different high, I now wonder). So I feel that these seeds may have value. If anyone serious about growing and breeding is interested in some seeds, then pm me and I will sent them for free provided they grow them out and select out the hermies (I assume not all will hermy). I may have about 200 seeds.



The Manali pheno is very resinous and tastes like amazing sweet earthy/insensy hash, and produces a calming (not sleepy), yet slightly visually psychedelic expansive high, no anxiety. The jamaican pheno produced a very clean and clear and energetic high, not as calming. Both are great. Both were harvested on the later side to ensure seed maturity, and underwent some cold temps before harvesting.

I have to many strains to grow and can only grow 5 for space/security reasons, so i want to keep this potential strain alive. Priority will go to those that breed, even on a small scale.

 

[Jomiber]

Hola pescador,

I'm very interested in breed some of these beens. Since I cultivated canela for first time in 2007 I falled in love with her... I could do a croos with Orient Express male. Unfourtunately all descendent became male, exempting 1 female (very resinous, with a tasty very similar to the father) that gifted to a friend

This season I'm going to grow some canelas F2 that Tas (Cannabiscabe breeder) gifted to me, the male was hermie too.

I haven't enough posts to send you a MP so we can contact via CC (I remember you there if im not wrong, and ni bitox too).

Saludos!

 

[charlie garcia]

Hi, nice results Pescador

seems you catched one with the indian essence indeed, so creamy usually as well and "calm" effect (not clouckout at all but meditative and spiritual type) can make nice buds. Hard to know about Zamal sex behavior instead, such a long and powerful beast. Am sure whatever comes out canl be so interesting

Jomiber, those Canela are almost last seeds of original F1 I sent to Tas in the hope and wish they can find something interesting (were looking for coffe aromas I think) and maybe worth to save or continue. Hope you are lucky and they do well. It takes around 12 weeks

Bets luck amigos

 

[pescador]

You are certainly welcome to many seeds Jomiber, but I was never on any other board I think. Try mping me once you have cleared enough posts. If you need these in a hurry for this growing season, then let me know and I'll sign up to those other forums so we can safely talk.

Thanks Charlie Garcia. You will see the difference in phenos once I post the pics. You describe the high better than me, and the taste is indeed very hashy/creamy. I think a cross with the more potent zamal will create a nice high, and from what I understand of the Zamal, the high of certain phenos could use some expansive calming. All parts of this cross come from strains bred in cultures where the plant is spiritually scared...a nice thought when thinking of a strain's breeding past.

The Hermie of the Zamal showed only very few female tenancies starting in mid flowering. Only a few stigmas appeared, so it was not that bad. I think finding a pure male in the zamal seedstock from Christoph's stock is rare, from what I read, especially when factoring in the added stress of lower light intensity etc... I know this is a hard question to answer, but would it be reasonable to suspect that a good number of these seeds would be viable?

 

[Jomiber]

Hello pescador,

I thought you was the same pescador LOL. If you want yo can send me a MP with a contac e-mail or you can register at cannabiscafe.net, there you can send MP without any restrictions.

Cheers!

 

[dubi]

High pescador, it's good to see you around :smile:

I like a lot your description of Canela and Zamal, i think you find their essence.

We haven't worked more with Canela due the lost of the Malana mother and the hermie problems in the hybrid. Anyway i´m glad you found interesting expressions. Zamal is also a hermie problematic strain, more on the male side, it's hard to find a firm male.

You can easily find hermie plants in your cross but others will stay firm for sure, if you like the effect of the parental plants then i'd grow a few to see what happens. Best wishes!

 

[VanVulpen]

Salut Pescador,
That zamal of yours sounds like a true killer. Did you germed yourself? What was the ratio? I was thinking of ordering some GN Zamal myself until dubi releases his zamal crosses... They might be old seeds but looks like they are the only ones comercially availlable from that part of the world and i want to give them a try anyway

 

[pescador]

Sorry for the delay Jomiber, I will send you an email asap. I have been busy. You will get many seeds though!

Thanks Dubi. I think you are right, that there will be a fair amount of solid sexed seeds produced.

Hi VanVulpen, no I myself have not germed them. I went through a seed buying phase a couple of years ago and must grow out the ones that are needed for small breeding and the old stocks. I do have friends growing the zamal X canela manali p, about 6 total, so I will keep you posted. I may start one up too. But I keep my plant numbers to under 5, and my batch this year will be Apollo 11, GN Zamal (only 1 in 10 popped, as they are old and hard to germ, so keep that in mind for your order considerations), Seedsman Malawi, mystery jamaican (that looks too indica to me, so I may give it away), and a nepalese jam.

Here are some pics of the mother Canlea Manali Pheno which is heavily seeded (thus these are the seeds I have the most to offer):

http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=4521&pictureid=68726


http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=4521&pictureid=68727


http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=4521&pictureid=68728


http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=4521&pictureid=68729

Here is the Jamaican pheno, which produced much smaller seeds (the size of the zamal):

http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=4522&pictureid=68730

 

[pescador]

So I figured that the safest thing to do was to create an email account for anyone who wants these seeds to send me there request. The only condition is that you help breed out the hermies and re-spread the seeds. I have about 300 manali p still, about 100 jamaica p, and not too many people seem eager to sift through this. I think that sexing early by triggering a temporary short early flowering a couple of weeks into growing could help.

[email protected]

let me know

 

[pescador]

A couple of last thoughts while I have time,

Dispite being heavily seeded, the canela manali p still produced a lot of bud, proportionaly more than any of the other strains. She is a heavy yielder. In contrast, the jamaican pheno, with its thinner leaved, produced the least out of my batch (grown at 45 N lat).

I grew out a federation seeds Hawaiian sativa that produces a very strong, and racey tense effect (nervous if you were not doing anything productive). Some zamal phenos apparently had a very strong, racey effect. One of the best smokes I am enjoying now is mixing the manali canela with the hawaiian. The canalea calms the hawaiian's effect without making you tiered. The resulting high is extremely bright, happy, lucid and motivational. Therefore, I suspect a similar effect with this cross.

Aslo, a very unique thing about both canela smokes is that on me at least, it has one of the most pleasant come-down after effects, almost like the mellow good feeling you get after you exercised. Most other strains on me produce an uncomfortable, cloudy dirty kind of crash.

 

[charlie garcia]

Nice grow Pescador.
Is not a Manali. Such Manali is into Sugarloaf.
This indian is Malana, not too far from Manali but not the same
Best luck with them, hope you catch some special aromas and effects

peace

 

[dubi]

Lovely colors pescador, your canela sativas look real tasty!

A mix of Canela, Hawaiian and Zamal sounds fantastic! Canela effect is quite unique, expansive, calm, makes you feel connected with life.

 

[VanVulpen]

I would definitely like to grow some of those seeds Pescador, i'll send you an email later... Did I understood corectly that you grow at 45N? I am at 46N so plants that can finish here in time before the first frost in november are very much appreciated

 

[pescador]

I would be happy to send some. A trick I used this year to help all my plants finish in time (and all were sativas, mostly from ACE, grown at 45) is to put them in 48 dark to trigger flowering. The flowering hormone buildup is instant and more dramatic, and thus non of my big sativas stretched at all, just went straight into flowering. Lightly seeding also helped them ripen as did the cold towards then end. With a bit of work, I got great smoke. The Zamal also is not that light sensitive, as Dubi has pointed out. Other speculate that Zamal is unique and that it is triggered/encouraged to flower when rootbound. I experienced this a few years back on a Nev H X Zamal grow. The Manala I would guess is also cold resistant (it was for me, surviving a few frosts). I know that Manali gets snow during the winter, and this is probably where marijuana originated from. Great strain!

 

[VanVulpen]

Can you be more specific on that matter Pescador? Like, when exactly do you give them 48 hours of darkness to trigger flowering? Aren't the sativa plants supose to have a strong tendency to reveg on long daylights? Let's say i'll cover my Guawi and AngolaXThai plants at the beginning of August... is it reasonable to expect them to finish by the end of october?
Too many questions... sorry

 

[pescador]

Hi VanVulpen,

I am no expert like Dubi or Charlie, but I think you figure out when the first frost will most likely be, and count back the amount of time it take for them to flower. My understanding is that some sativas are light sensitive (like some columbian golds I think), and others are not, like Angolan, Malawis, Zamal, Jamaicans etc... Lightly seeding also prevents revedging i think. If they are mature enough, they are also more eager to flower and less likely to revedge. I did this is in mid august and it worked. But it would be great for ACE to develop an auto flowering sativa for the colder climates, casual indoor houseplant grows , or for where there is high light pollution! Sativas would flower longer and therefore produce more per plant maybe than current indica based auto crosses. There surely would be high demand for these. Just an idea though. ;-)

 

[dubi]

Good day all,

Yes, there are tropical/subtropical landrace sativas with autoflowering traits, mainly they can be found in african sativa populations. Lebanese sativas are also very auto flowering sativas.

I know auto flowering plants are the latest 'canna fashion' and there's a big commercial demand of this kind of seeds but personaly, im not very interested to breed or grow auto flowering plants. They are interesting to grow in very northern climates, but i prefer to work with more interesting lines in terms of quality(at least for me), you can breed a nice rudelaris-indica or rudelaris sativa hybrid but potency yield and quality wont never be close to a good sativa-indica mix.

Most of the new Auto flowering strains are lowryder crosses but usually renamed. It's not only unrespectful to lowryder's breeder, but also a new attack against cannabis genepool diversity.

If you are working with auto flowering hybrids it's impossible to keep mothers and fathers for future breeding, then selection and line improvement is real hard. You can start with an interesting auto line but after a few generations of inbreeding the same auto line you easily finish with a very low vigorous, mid-low potency, low yielding strain.

 

[pescador]

Hi Dubi,

I understand your reasons and i appreciate your response. I still fantasize about a good auto lebanese/african cross that can be easily grown in northern climates, or as houseplants.

I am going to send off seeds in a few weeks, so if anyone is still interested, let me know so that I can divide them properly.

 

[Jomiber]

Pescador you have an e-mai in the account that you putted.

Saludos!