mother plant/clone variations

[plumbum]

hi there.. a question for the strain experts.. i started a thread on coco forum regarding my problem, for anybody interested please read here

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=119085

to narrow things down and isolating variables i'd like to get an answer to simple question:

if i have one mother to start with which represents certain strain to full potential in my case it is unique OG Kush and I take clones of it and make few more mothers.. is it possible that the new mothers might not be identical and do not represent the strain 100%???? i've heard that those variations are possible when you start from seeds, but this is clone only..

if it's possible then i have to bring this variable to the equation.. if not then something wrong is going on with my coco treatment.. i hope to hear advice from folks experienced with these issues..

 

[plumbum]

it's hard to believe nobody has experience with this.. any advice is welcome

 

[THC•20]

Generations down clones tend to be slightly different from the original seed plant but it's always in a good way, usually has to due with the plants maturity and reaching it's full potential.

 

[thebandit777]

Hello Plumbum... I have had that happen too man, there is a Mendo Purps that i have that does this sometimes, it's and unexplainable phenomenon IMHO, although I haven't really reserched it, I do know quite a bit about Purples, And that is the only reason I know there was a difference in the CLones is because I have ran them so many times...

Also I have noticed that when I have a plant that hasn't been all that healthy throughout it's life cycle, I have noticed that it can look completely different in bloom than it's own sister..

sooo, i hope i could help with my experiences,

 

[plumbum]

thank you THC and thebandit.. great help.. all opinion and experience matter.. i hope i will figure it out with YOUR HELP! it sounds you both are talking from experience.. so i guess it is possible that the difference is related to plant health.. and not necessarily some form of mutation.. using this logic.. it's possible that new mothers somehow, as an option due to some stress.. changed and now produce let's say unhealthy clones.. or another option that all new mothers are healthy.. but the clones do have health problems.. this particular batch got gnats larve in rockwool while it was rooting!! which later brought root rot.. i killed gnats with gnatrol and used monterey aliette to fight root rot.. the only problem is.. it happened with healthy clones and few different strains which didn't have this problems.. go figure..

 

[plumbum]

Hello Plumbum... I have had that happen too man, there is a Mendo Purps that i have that does this sometimes, it's and unexplainable phenomenon IMHO, although I haven't really reserched it, I do know quite a bit about Purples, And that is the only reason I know there was a difference in the CLones is because I have ran them so many times...

Also I have noticed that when I have a plant that hasn't been all that healthy throughout it's life cycle, I have noticed that it can look completely different in bloom than it's own sister..

sooo, i hope i could help with my experiences,

thebandit777, what medium are you using? if i know it happened in something other then coco then i need to look for answers in clones/mothers direction..

 

[plumbum]

bump

 

[Weedman Herb]

If conditions are met that trigger a change then change the plant will ... whether it was from seed or cutting ... it's in the genes ... and you're talking about a poly hybrid which could have several such triggers in its genetic make up ... they could be as subtle as an increased stretch or lack of according to their proximity to the lamp or turning purple due to being the closest to a cool fresh air intake. Here's what wiki has to say about Phenotype and changes in Organisms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype

 

[Hazeseeker]

the exact same clone grown by 2 different growers in different grow rooms can show a noticable change (in appearance + final taste),
i know of 2 growers who grew the same Neville's Haze, after both harvests met up for a smoke out to sample both wares, taste, smell + effect were noticably different between samples, a clone (plant) is a living specimen so it's natural for it to change to a certain degree on it's own will, based on the current environmental factors which are present

a 'shift' can happen as a particular clone ages, not all clones/varieties tho, it seems that certain clones/varieties/strains are more 'prone' to this than others

peace

 

[plumbum]

If conditions are met that trigger a change then change the plant will ... whether it was from seed or cutting ... it's in the genes ... and you're talking about a poly hybrid which could have several such triggers in its genetic make up ... they could be as subtle as an increased stretch or lack of according to their proximity to the lamp or turning purple due to being the closest to a cool fresh air intake. Here's what wiki has to say about Phenotype and changes in Organisms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype

thank you Weedman Herb.. interesting read.. genotype + environment + random-variation → phenotype.. i am still puzzled.. i had mother that carried certain valuable phenotype.. now i have 6 mothers.. and clones taken from them produce only 10% of that phenotype the rest is different.. logically i am starting to think that since deviation is found in such a big percent of plants, most likely that the new mothers are responsible.. since environment is the same and random-variation is consistent.. am i wrong? it is very important to answer this question for me right now since it will take at least three four month to figure out which mother is carrying valuable phenotype..

the exact same clone grown by 2 different growers in different grow rooms can show a noticable change (in appearance + final taste),
i know of 2 growers who grew the same Neville's Haze, after both harvests met up for a smoke out to sample both wares, taste, smell + effect were noticably different between samples, a clone (plant) is a living specimen so it's natural for it to change to a certain degree on it's own will, based on the current environmental factors which are present

a 'shift' can happen as a particular clone ages, not all clones/varieties tho, it seems that certain clones/varieties/strains are more 'prone' to this than others

peace

Hazeseeker thank you for your input.. i fully support your experience since i've seen it few times myself.. but in my case grower is the only one and environment is identical.. so they get exactly same treatment and results have enormous difference..