seed companies flower time after flip or after sex shown?

[manwithnoname]

So, i know some people count the start of flower after light flip and some start counting after sex is shown. does anyone know how the seed companies do it?

i just got some ak-48 because of its quick finishing ability. 48 days seems like a short ass time if you count from light flip.

and has anyone run ak-48? sounds like its got the short flowering time and the kind of high and potency i like, but it lacks a good taste.

 

[sirsmokealot23]

Im not exactly sure about ak48 but i remember jorge or ed saying that most seed companies have shorter times than they should have. So be prepared to wait a bit longer than the time given.

 

[delerious]

I find I'm much closer if I count from flowers starting.

 

[FirstTracks]

in general..........at the flip as long as sexually mature........+10-20 days, depending on breeder.

You'll get some like SamS and Spice of Life who more accurately state times (a few others, Sam's just the first to come to mind), especially with hazes.

There's a big difference, IMHO, between 'croppable' and 'truly finished good smoke'

 

[biotek]

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I find I'm much closer if I count from flowers starting.

I would have to agree with delerious on this one but everyone has opion I always count than check trich colours for ripenes as a avid seed grower the dates on indicas are usually out by 2-3 weeks by my standers but I dont like weed that is cut early you lose all medical values, taste and thc. good

 

[Guest]

Ive found there 2 be really 2 categories of flowering times that should be noticed, as opposed to looking at the exact date given by the breeder. I sympathize with breeders to some extent because if a strain has a number of different pheno's they will often finish a bit differnt.

1. When breeders list a flowering time of 45-55 days, its usually a fairly quick flowerere, even if it doesnt match their predicted length.

2. Strains listed 60-70 days, are an indication that the rate of flower is slower and they usually take even longer than The breeders suggested time..

The rate of flower seems significant. As an outdoor grower, nearly all strains start to show flowers around the first of august,. Fifty day strains will finish by the end of september, but 60 day or longer strains always run well into october. They may start to flower at the same time, but the rate in which they pack on weight is much slower.

 

[GMT]

I suspect that stated flowering times by breeders are all part of the hype, to increase sales.

 

[Hazeseeker]

I've found some companies have been spot on with their flowering times:

Dutch Passion says Orange Bud - 8 weeks, grew Orange Bud and was ripe by day 56 (8 weeks)

Kryptonite Seeds says Chem D x OG kush - 65-75 days, grew CDxOG and was harvested on day 65/66 IIRC

Mr Nice say Neville's Haze will take 14-20 weeks, i harvested 3 pheno's on 119/120 days of flower
(17+ weeks)

Biddy Early says 45-55 days IIRC, mines took slightly longer than this finishing on day 61 of flower

Mr Nice AfgHzxAfgSk says it'll take 60-100 days, correct estimation again finishing days 66, 81 + 82

Sensi Seeds say NL#5xHaze takes 65-75, never heard of it finishing this quick tho, more like a quick pheno possibly 80 days, all the way through to 115 days for the extreme pheno's

peace

 

[PrimoVG]

ak-48 is fast, smells nice, taste bad and hits pretty hard...but it doesn't finish in 48 days as claimed...at least IME...

it's a great plant though, top it at 5 nodes and you'll get about 5 or 6 good sized colas...you'll needs stakes too, she stretches a bit.

just so you have an idea, I have a 48 in flower since 2/27 and it has around 50% cloudy trichs.

 

[delerious]

I would have to agree with delerious on this one but everyone has opion I always count than check trich colours for ripenes as a avid seed grower the dates on indicas are usually out by 2-3 weeks by my standers but I dont like weed that is cut early you lose all medical values, taste and thc. good

I had one strain (don't remember the name now- 8 weeker) that could go 70 days. I was growing to combat nausea and if I took her between 55 and 59 days she was perfect for that. If I left her go past 63 days, she still worked for nausea, but put me to sleep within 15 minutes - not something I want to hit before walking into a restaurant . I still harvested some late in case my tolerence built up too quick or I needed help sleeping.

I usually run clones (from seed mother) and first time thru I harvest at different times - looking at new growth, resin production, and trichs. After drying and curing, I'll try them out, checking type of high, taste, duration and pick the time that matches what I want the best.

 

[Crush]

i just got some ak-48 because of its quick finishing ability. 48 days seems like a short ass time if you count from light flip.

From what I heard the finish time is the 'minimal' time you can harvest, not the optimal time.

I always try to budget at least 3 months for 12/12 to curing.

 

[Colina]

Come on you guys, a pound is 454 grams. Planting day starts at first contact of seed with moisture. And flowering times begin counting from the first day of 12/12 (assuming a sexually mature plant) and continue until the recommended harvest date. These things are non-negotiable, the start date is not open to breeder interpretation, or any of that.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Doesn't Shanti say that his estimations are from flowers forming?

 

[Colina]

Lots of folks think they are flowering when they flip to 12/12, even if the plant is 2 weeks old and quite the ways from sexual maturity. Perhaps Shanti goes that way to avoid confusion among that crowd. I don't know. But it is not open to interpretation. Flowering times begin counting at 12/12 (assuming a sexually mature plant) - it is non-negotiable man, and it seems somewhat counter productive to just start inventing ones own language that the rest of the world does not speak. If I told you guys that I had a different way of weighing pounds, and that they were now 400 grams, that be alright?

 

[luciano28]

Doesn't Shanti say that his estimations are from flowers forming?

I know he does with "Shit"

An absolute classic and original Skunk/Afghani that has won many awards. It is a sure-bet for first time cultivators of interior, exterior, or glasshouse grown plants. The yield will be extremely substantial, with expectations between 550-650 grams per square metre. The finishing time will be within 45 days of the flowering's first appearance on the plant. Expect harvest in late September to early October in the northern hemisphere and in the southern hemisphere by the end of April. A proven true breed since the 80's.

I just was looking at that today, only reason I remembered that.


manwithnoname: Get yourself a handy dandy $10 Radio shack scope if you dont already got one and finish your ladies when they are actually done, dont count on the Breeder blurb, Ive grown 3 Nirvana Strains, the Bubblicous I took 70+ days before it was done, the Jock Horror took forever, I dont even remember, but I got a hazy pheno and it is some great weed with a good cure. The Swiss Miss stood up to the Breeder description pretty well. I was happy with all 3 I should add and Im growing them again. Just watch them trichomes grow, develop, and change colors with that scope, its part of the fun IMO

 

[whodair]

ive never counted days in flower cycle, cuz the plants always tell me when they're done. and i dont take breeder description that seriously. if the pasta say boil 8 min, and at 9 min it was still hard, wouldnt you go longer? even if it took 15 min, if it came out perfect, whats a few extra minutes?

 

[Chamba]

whodair...try a hotter flame, a larger pot with more water, you want it boiling rapidly, toss in up to a teaspoon of salt, a drop or two of olive oil and then the pasta and the times might be a bit lower....but even so I find pasta boiling times (accurate if you boil for recommended duration then oven bake with a sauce. but no way for boil then serve) and breeder's flowering times (many state or imply flowering starts when you switch from 12/12, not when the first burst of flowers occurs) are usually wildly optimistic for both ..it's almost as if they are talking about clones taken from the fastest examples, not the expected average flowering times for seedlings from their pack.

but on the other hand, I heard Soma mention after someone said a strain of his they grew finished later than reconmmended, "plants take longer to finish if you don't give them what they need."

then the guy asked what his fastest strain was? do you have any 7 or 8 week strains? and Soma chuckled "I don't think I have a strain that is mature at 8 weeks, the fast finishing strain I have is (I forget the strain) and it finishes around 9 weeks, sometimes longer..ha!"