My Perpetual SOG Cabinets are Finally Finished!

[Work2much]

Doesn't CoCo have to have the pH dialed in like Hydro and you have to have RO water and do all the chemistry set stuff?

Pretty much Red. PH'ing the solution down to a lower hydro range is key, unlike soil which has a broader, higher overall range.

RO is not a must if you've got good quality water available from tap/well etc etc. I mix tap/distilled with crappy tap and it comes out fine.

Overall the pros out number the cons. Personally I believe root growth is 20-40% faster with coco and veg rates are faster then soil as well.

My personal favorite thing about coco is the ability to flush any problems your having away and start from scratch with a new nute solution as I like to tinker and I get myself in trouble sometimes lol.

Sorry for the mini hijack Pete, I'm enjoying your thread. Btw, check out the combo of CNS17/Liquid Karma in coco, I do believe it might be superior to GH micro/bloom, at least thats what I'm seeing so far.

 

[guest 77721]

Hey Pete, that's great that the louvers can be split up to make two sets. I might be getting one for my next cabinet upgrade.

Coco ain't for me for sure. I was curious because I've seen a couple of guys with troubles and was pretty sure it's needed hydro methods or specialialized nutes and you can't just do straight organics with it.

 

[puffmadizm]

pete thanks for the info,there will be nights i will need to be away from my cab,i can't have my roomate enter my room to open a window..and seeing my headboard glowing,lol, my cab will be a storage headboard..no reason for curious ppl to see whats inside,no handles,no visible doors...just a headboard,books,radio,clock on top..plants inside,12 inches deep,46 inches high,and 66 inches long..to be honest,if i have to make the whole back wall out of adorama louvers and it costs me $500 to do it..thats what i'ma do..weed is $20 a g here...i never wanna buy bud again..thats the goal,the cost does not factor in to my cab design..so 90 % is ruination...100% dead black is what it has to be

 

[puffmadizm]

i have a captains bed(drawers underneath).which leaves a foot wide channel under my boxspring,i will have a 6 inch false floor at the bottom of the cab,so i can hook up my fan and scrubber and vent it thru the channel,i thought about having a armoire in my room..but ppl are naturally curious..and grabby"oh wow dude..thats cool..what kind of shelves in there? " so having something like an armoire can't work for me,my room is small,so having a headboard is logical to hold speakers,my clock and other stuff,will allow me to remove a few little tables i have in my room and actually give me more space,my designs are pretty junky but you'll get the idea

 

[puffmadizm]

this was my original plan,but having 2 sections means keeping light out of the flower side,and ventilation issues,so i decided to have it be a strictly flower cab,i grow with a friend, and we have a bunch of revegged mums at his place..so root closes there,transport them tiny enough to eat them if neccessary,and flower them here..even tho i am playing around with a speaker mum house i have a big speaker that would fit in the corner to keep 2 small mums and let me veg clones a little before flower

 

[petemoss]

Very ingenious stealth cab, puffmadizm! I see why you need 100% light proof louvers between the veg and flower sections. Hope you can take some pix when it's finished. The only suggestion I have is to make sure your fan has enough pulling power to move the hot air through your scrubber and ventilate your "cab". Is it a centrifugal fan?

 

[puffmadizm]

i'm gonna get a s&p i think,i am gonna get 1 thats too big..and use the scrubber as a muffler too,i think i am gonna ditch the veg portion,so i can have better airflow,probably setup a rubbermaid or big ole speaker seperatly for vegging,my old roomate has the mums at his house now,he has a more secure place..no roomates,so the plan is to clone there,the prices for these fans are good,i just have to figure out what size i want,i am thinking about the 5 inch,192 cfm..i need to find some airflow calculator, internal size 42 inches high,66 inches long, 12 inches deep..how would i go about deciding what cfm fan i need..lol,math is not my strong suit
http://www.kitchensource.com/bathroom-fans/sl-td-b.htm

 

[petemoss]

A general rule of thumb is to exhaust your space 3-5 times per minute. You have about 19 cubic feet and will need to exhaust 57 to 95 cfm. If you go with the S&P fan you could use the smallest 4" fan (TD125?). Or you could get a bigger fan and turn it down with a speed control. I think the 5" fan is overkill for your space, plus 5" is an odd duct size. I have two small S&P fans and they are very quiet and reliable. For the price, you can't go wrong.

 

[puffmadizm]

pete you rule! yeah i was looking for 5 inch duct,unsuccessfully,so i am glad to know the four inch should be enough

 

[puffmadizm]

found em alot cheaper here http://www.hvacquick.com/spfnconfig.php?fm=td

 

[guest 77721]

hey puffmadizm, that's a great stealth idea to hide it in your bed. I think that S&P blower will be very noisy. Check out some of my designs using computer fans. My box is very quiet.

 

[puffmadizm]

hi red,i love your setup's do you have a wireing DIY link? i have shied away from the pc fans because of having to use converters and stuff,but if i can wrap my head around it,i would do it,i was in radio shack and they had some fans that look like pc fans, but they are 120 volt not 12..have you ever used those?

 

[petemoss]

Yellowing fan leaves in week 4 flower

Yellowing fan leaves in week 4 flower

Rats! I thought I could make it all the way through to harvest with healthy plants, but again I'm getting yellowing fan leaves. It started at the bottom and is working its way up. These Apollo11 clones are in week 4 of flower. They're in Canna coco and have been fed H3ad's formula of 6-9 at PH of 5.8-6.0 hand watered once a day to about 10% runoff. What am I doing wrong? How can this happen to a nice guy like me? Like red says, I don't want to make it to the finish line with a seat and a steering wheel! I'm thinking that they may be underfed. A couple of times I diluted the feed to EC 0.8, which may have been too weak for these fast growing Apollo11's. I just put six AK47 clones in the flower cab for sexing and will try again to keep them green. No additives, just 6ml Micro and 9 ml Bloom, then 0-9 or 0-12 and no monkeying around with the EC.

 

[Work2much]

Looks like a lack of nitro. You might have a Nitro hog cut. I would add 2ml of micro for a few feedings, and also feed/water twice per day if possible so fresh nutes are readily available. When I ran I Lucas/Head I stayed with the micro untill flush and I cant really tell any difference in taste versus cutting it out earlier.

I'm actually having the other extreme, my plants are very, very dark green six weeks into flower and I'm using the new formula CNS17 bloom at 18ml/G and LK at 5ml/G. They look the same as they did in veg.

You mentioned your were going to automate soon, any thoughts or still playing around with different ideas?

 

[outdoe]

i see how much time you have invested drbud and if its not in your mix i dont want to even try figureing it out not that im lazy but the leg work is already done and you have spelled it all out for us so thoughtfully and detailed in your threads so im trying to take full advantage! if it isnt broke dont fix it thats what i say i would just be happy duplicating your results, the moms are vegging now you have truly inspired me drbud and i thank you . sorry for bombing your thread bro!@

No need to screw up figuring it all out for your self if somebody done been through it to save you the trouble

 

[petemoss]

Hi Work2much. Yes, it looks like a Nitrogen deficiency with the whole leaf turning yellow. This is a problem that I've been having with all my plants in coco. From what I've read, this is likely caused by an imbalance of nutrients or extreme PH locking out the N. My best guess is that excess K is locking out N. I'm striving to keep the coco moist and feeding frequently as you suggested. Also, I'll gradually phase out the Micro starting in week 4 of flower.

Right now I'm trying to develop some mother plants from seed. Apollo11 and AK 47 seedlings will be kept in FFOF soil which should require less watering than coco. Some Satori seedling are just starting to break ground so I should have a good variety of mothers by summer. Instead of a Hempy SCROG, I'll concentrate on automating my SOG setup with a top drip via a PVC manifold.
Looks like a Lucas GH feed is my best option for a recirculating drip where all the plants get the same feed from the res.

 

[raygun]

Hey Pete I replied to you in my post and those look just as I pictured them in my head. The automated watering will help tremendously and since your pH is in check its got to be nitrogen deficency. I get this more on my sativas than my indicas but not that its a horrable thing. You plant looks like its stretched enough are nice and healthy in the buds and is using the nitrogen in the lower older sun leaves. However 3 weeks in is a little early. I'm not familiar with the head formula enough to coment on what to change but perhaps adding a little grow to your blend or like I do just top dress with some high N organic dry ferts like some bat guano and it should carry you gals through using the same formula you are now. I do that with all the sativas I put in to flower and it helps keep them green till around ~6 weeks.

Looking good though!

 

[raygun]

....
Coco ain't for me for sure. I was curious because I've seen a couple of guys with troubles and was pretty sure it's needed hydro methods or specialialized nutes and you can't just do straight organics with it.

You could totaly go 100% organic with coco. You have to find the right mix from the start. You would need to water daily and drain to waste. You need to treat the coco as a if it were perlite and water daily or multiple times a day if need be. As long as you pH your water to start you should be fine and dandy. I run an organic coco culinary herb garden and top dress with dry organics and water with RO or fish tank water at least once every other day.

You don't need special nutes neither. If you can grow in soil coco is like soil but you just water it a lot and you need a lower pH 5.8-6.2 IMO.

Coco is easy just a slight learning curve but think its easier than hydro over all and safer because if my pump fails for some reason and my plants don't get watered for a couple of days they are not going to die. I've had the coco bone dry and the plants wilted over in my veg box because I was a stoner and forgot to water for a couple of days I let them soak and rehydrate and in 24 hours they were perked up with few leaves that needed to be removed.

Safe growing
~raygun~

 

[petemoss]

Hey raygun, thanks for stopping by! I'm so jealous after seeing your thriving coco plants that I had to ask how you managed it. Especially puzzling to me since we are using nearly the same nutes and additives. I added some fish emulsion 5-1-1 for additional Nitrogen, which may help with the yellowing leafs. Also got some new GH Micro and Bloom. My old bottle of Bloom was fizzing like soda when I shook the bottle. The new bottle doesn't fizz, so that may be another reason I've been having problems...old nutes.

 

[raygun]

Hey Petemoss thanks for the complements but I will say there is a break in the picts of my cab during the "tuning" phase for a reason. It looked u-g-l-y I ain't gona lie and took about 2 months to get it figured out and I'm still making adjustments. I actually just had to flush all my gals and res recently as I may have over N'd them but no lock out just the buds on some of the Shooting Star sativas at 22-30 days looked like they were stretchin in the buds instead of getting fatter. This also happend to coinside with me adding 2 new plants in to the flower room that I may have overloaded on the Bio-Boost and high N organics as for the last few days the EC was increasing like .05 per day but the pH was fluxuating safely. It also could just be the way the gals grow when shits not funked up as its the first time they made it this far with out some growth hindering issue(mainly pH).

The increase in EC is what makes me think I over dressed the new ladies in to the cab. The ladies look great and no overfert signs in the growth. I also thought that organics did not show up properly with an EC meter. I did mix the additives in with the coco instead of just a top dress also and that could have effected the whole thing as well making it all more accessable right away instead of slowly with each watering as it is when top dressed. So many factors so little time...

I still just think that in your case it is a lack of enough N in early flower since you pH is dialed and all other factors seem in check. The 5-1-1 Fish E should do you just dandy to help carry them through. One thing that I don't think I will be doing is adding the 5-1-1 FE I picked up to my flower rez. I initally got it for this purpose but the ladies that are over that 1/2 way mark don't need more N, and with the nutes I'm using there should be pleanty of N to keep them happy after the stretch. So keep that in mind when you do automate your watering that IMO you do not want to add the extra N to the flower res. Just the plants durring the first 1/3-1/2 of their flower cycle. Also it will depend on the plant as my Indica sided Sourbubble croses could really care less about the added N its just the sativas with that stretch.

A perfect automated set up would have 3 res. One for the first 1/2 of flower 1 for the 2nd 1/2 and a 3rd to flush with. But who the hell wants to deal with all of that for just a cab. I would do that if I was running some LARGE perpetual grow but not this ride I got going. imagination running wild...

Keep up the good work though!