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Mirkarimi proposal: Let S.F. sell medical pot

vta

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/14/MN10172HH8.DTL

Marisa Lagos, Chronicle Staff Writer

San Francisco would be the first city in the nation to sell and distribute medical marijuana under legislation proposed Tuesday by Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi.

Mirkarimi, who spearheaded legislation more than three years ago to regulate the city's proliferating medical marijuana dispensaries, asked the city attorney to craft a measure that would create a pilot program for medical cannabis sales. The details are still being worked out, Mirkarimi said, but he envisions a pilot program under which the Department of Public Health could distribute pot to medical marijuana patients of city clinics.

Mirkarimi called the legislation the "next step" toward codifying the state laws that legalized medical marijuana, adding that he wanted to introduce the legislation in 2005 when the city was passing the laws regulating the city's marijuana clubs. But he said he waited out of concern that federal law does not recognize California's legalization of medical marijuana.

However, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced last month that federal authorities would prosecute only "those people who violate both federal and state law," implying that the government no longer would try to shut down California pot dispensaries.

"We're spending much more money keeping marijuana underground, trying to hide a fact that is occurring all around us," Mirkarimi said. "Now is the time to take responsibility for something we've deflected to others and to test our ability to take responsibility."

Mayor Gavin Newsom's office wasn't so sure. Although the mayor supports medical marijuana, Newsom has said he does not favor efforts to legalize pot, and his office was noncommittal about the proposal for the city to sell it.

"The mayor will have to hash this out with public health officials," press secretary Nathan Ballard said. "It's the mayor's job to weed out bad legislation. And to be blunt, this sounds pretty bad."

San Francisco's successful dispensary regulations, which are now being used as a model for other cities, arose out of concerns that the clubs were operating with no oversight and often attracting criminal elements. The regulations mandate who can run cannabis clubs, limits where they can be located and requires the businesses to receive a city permit that must be approved by four agencies.

The city laws led to the closure of at least 15 clubs. Mirkarimi said he doesn't anticipate the pilot program putting the remaining clubs out of business but said it could "alleviate the burden on neighborhoods" and provide a more "prudent approach to regulation" by moving some pot purchases into city facilities.

Where the city would get the marijuana would be determined later, he said, adding that he views the proposal as "cost-neutral" because the city could recoup any money spent on acquiring and distributing marijuana through sales.

Federal authorities in San Francisco, who have clashed with local officials over federal prosecution of medical marijuana sellers, seemed caught off guard by the proposal. A spokeswoman for the Drug Enforcement Agency said only that federal law has not changed, while U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello said the proposal was too vague to comment on.

He noted that a municipality taking over the distribution of medical marijuana doesn't solve the problem that the drug is still illegal under U.S. law.

"I expect that their objective here is to avoid some problems of the disparity between federal and local laws, but I don't know that such an effort - that is, a government takeover - would be to the exclusion of other dispensaries," Russoniello said. "They would just be creating another entity ... and it assumes the city government would act in strict compliance with state regulations, which is a significant assumption."

At least one marijuana advocate praised the proposal. Richard Lee, director of the Oakland dispensary and education group Oaksterdam University, said it's a step in the right direction.

"In general I'm more of a private, free-enterprise guy - I'd rather see the free market do it than the government," he said. "But I'm in favor of anything we can do to legitimize (marijuana) and make the federal position out of date and unenforceable as possible."
 

yesIah garvey

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it's an interesting subject
there are some great dynamic dispensaries in sf; if the City isn't trying to get rid of them but to supplement what they're doing that seems kewl.
when i first heard this idea it was from a supervisor saying get rid of all the clubs and we'll do it all at sf general hospital
 

peacenik

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I've thought for awhile that there could be some way to have inmates grow pot. Yes, I know that may sound extreme, but there's already enough proof that gardening is very theraputic & talk about gaining useful employment skills! They already have security fences, etc. Why not do something that helps the community?
 
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Where the city would get the marijuana would be determined later, he said, adding that he views the proposal as "cost-neutral" because the city could recoup any money spent on acquiring and distributing marijuana through sales.

"Cost-neutral"?. Sounds like the city is a little jealous of the dispensaries income and wants a piece of that pie too.

The insane thing about this whole thing is what Mirkarimi is proposing is EXACTLY what prop 215 intended, for the city to distribute pot at a cost-neutral basis, ie. no profit.

Pretty funny that a proposal that is exactly the intent of the original law is viewed as strange from so many people.
 

Tony Aroma

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Interesting concept. Might be a way to confound the feds. What are they going to do, raid and arrest the city? Who would be the responsible party? The mayor? The city council? The citizens that elected them?

The more I think about this, the better it sounds. Just imagine if all dispensaries were run by the city, county, or state. As much as the DEA would like to, I don't think they could raid an entire state. Granted, it might not be good for the individual entrepreneur but, if run right, could be great for the patients. Another benefit, the city or state would be forced to defend people when federal charges are filed. Heck, it might even start another civil war. Cool!!!!
 

deltronZER0

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"The mayor will have to hash this out with public health officials," press secretary Nathan Ballard said. "It's the mayor's job to weed out bad legislation. And to be blunt, this sounds pretty bad."
was I the only one that caught that sentence?
the person who said that must have known...
 
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nekoloving

"The mayor will have to hash this out with public health officials," press secretary Nathan Ballard said. "It's the mayor's job to weed out bad legislation. And to be blunt, this sounds pretty bad."
was I the only one that caught that sentence?
the person who said that must have known...

no it stood out to me as well. however lets look at how many times something needs to be proposed and legislated before anything useful goes into law - LOTS =[ of the ppl for the ppl MY ARSE!
 

FreedomFGHTR

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"The mayor will have to hash this out with public health officials," press secretary Nathan Ballard said. "It's the mayor's job to weed out bad legislation. And to be blunt, this sounds pretty bad."
was I the only one that caught that sentence?
the person who said that must have known...

I think he likes to mix up some hash with his weed when he rolls up his blunts. However I do remember seeing Newsom on Real Time with Bill Maher, and municipal marijuana, thats right MUNICIPIAL, was mentioned for a brief second.
 

phan

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"hash, weed, blunt" hilarious! If this were April 1st, I'd say this was a joke. But I feel the more positive articles in the mainstream press, even if they are proposals, the better.
 

Pythagllio

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Interesting concept. Might be a way to confound the feds. What are they going to do, raid and arrest the city? Who would be the responsible party? The mayor? The city council? The citizens that elected them?
Just build a fence around the city and incarcerate them all!!
 

Pirate

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More government control !!!!!!

Now going to a dispensary will be like going to the DMV, Unemployment Office or City Hall and all the Efficiency that comes with it.

Yup. That's what we need. Government run medical marijuana clubs.

Lets make em union while were at it !!
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nekoloving

More government control !!!!!!

Now going to a dispensary will be like going to the DMV, Unemployment Office or City Hall and all the Efficiency that comes with it.

Yup. That's what we need. Government run medical marijuana clubs.

Lets make em union while were at it !!
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you guys still are missing it i think. this is a great idea. massive city officials will be doing weed if the city is dispensing it. imagine the social impetus that would create....
 

Pirate

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City officials are already smoking weed.

The last thing in the world you want is the Government running anything. Can you name one thing they don't fuck up? What exactly do they or have they taken from the people and made better?

NOTHING..........That's what.

We need less gov control. Not more.
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nekoloving

City officials are already smoking weed.

The last thing in the world you want is the Government running anything. Can you name one thing they don't fuck up? What exactly do they or have they taken from the people and made better?

NOTHING..........That's what.

We need less gov control. Not more.
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I'm counting on them farking it up. and there would be so many more doing so, they would start getting busted like the rest much more often - not by cops lol but by the common man so to speak. as long as they dont replace, but instead supplement, it could indeed aid the impetus towards legalization and cheaper meds in general. ppl think that meds are really expensive, and sure its typically not _cheap_. however, if one looks at the falling dollar, and at stable weed prices in general compared to the rest of the commodities we all purchase, the actual `cost` of an eighth on the street has fallen [in effective dollars] in most major cities that i've had experience with has stayed fairly steady. sure that $30-$40 1/8th in 1985-1990 is now 40-50 but really thats not bad.

i agree we need less govt not more, much less more govt control, but this is a strategy based game and one must plan diversions, sliding ethics, and public opinion. take a look at this:



in case your wondering this is what they base inflation figures on.... consider losing close to 5% of value each year for several years.....

1985 10.87
1990 13.20
1995 15.39
2000 17.39
2001 $17.89
2002 18.17
2003 18.59
2004 19.08
2005 19.73
2006 20.18
2007 20.94
2008 21.57

thats data points on the value of the dollar for year on left vs 1913 - so in 2008 $21.57 bought an equivalent amount of goods.... so the dollar is worth 50% as much but my weed is only 25% more expensive- its cheaper!


now its no where near what i consider reasonable, however until larger scale operations are very legit, its going to be hard to get very very efficient on a large scale. remember as long as we need $$ ppl wanna get payed ;-)

so in conclusion, yes i think we need more govt interaction in this so that we can retrain the public in general. also look to convert the senior citizen's vote. convince them and it will be legal VERY VERY fast. [look at voting %'s by group :D]
 
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Pirate

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Well I am on the run and don't have time for a proper response except to say.......I do not believe the cost will come down but I'm convinced the quality will.

If SF starts up their own greenhouses (and you know they will) the amount grown will surely diminish the quality of the bud produced.

When they suggest that they can tap into a "such and such" billion dollar market........they are calculating their future revenues based on current prices. They will do everything in their power to keep that price right were it is (If not higher)

Being a medical grower............I can say without a doubt that the prices are already fair based on the time and expense to grow it.

But my lights just came on so I gotta run but I'll be back later to continue our discussion. :smile:

Extra thought:
I hear what your argument is but what other program has the government taken over that actually lowered the cost? (Hint: None !!)

Why not start up government run pubs, bars and liquor stores as well? Its exactly the same thing.
 
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Extra thought:
I hear what your argument is but what other program has the government taken over that actually lowered the cost? (Hint: None !!)

I dunno but one time I was in the hospital for a kidney stone and the county ended up paying the bill because I made less then a certain amount.

This was like an 8 thousand dollar bill to boot.

I think they said it was funded by cigarette tax but hey I didn't have to pay the bill so I'd say that program was pretty darn good to me at the time.
 

onegreenday

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Interesting concept. Might be a way to confound the feds. What are they going to do, raid and arrest the city? Who would be the responsible party? The mayor? The city council? The citizens that elected them?

The more I think about this, the better it sounds. Just imagine if all dispensaries were run by the city, county, or state. As much as the DEA would like to, I don't think they could raid an entire state. Granted, it might not be good for the individual entrepreneur but, if run right, could be great for the patients. Another benefit, the city or state would be forced to defend people when federal charges are filed. Heck, it might even start another civil war. Cool!!!!

right-on Tony there's a law that allows police to sell illicit drugs in performance of their jobs (stings) without breaking Federal law;

so I suppose the city of SF could sell cannabis in performance of their jobs, without breaking Federal law.

They'd just deputize everybody involved.

No wonder the Fed's are baffled on this one.

Watch their crooked world crumble soon; parties in the streets .....
 

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