150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[jasonk]

Good to hear from you again Bulenath, and glad to hear you're safe! Can never be to careful.

My 2 seedlings (if they're still called that after 3 weeks) haven't made much progress since week 1 and only one looks like it will make it. It's about 1.5 inches, but the bottom most leaves are drying and about to fall off. The rest of the small leaves are yellowing a bit at the tips. I know I need to get a PH meter and test what I'm feeding them. Temperatures are now between 74-80, about 8° above ambient. I'm guessing the problem started because of temperatures as they were 80-82 before. RH is between 50-60%. Any other input what could be wrong?



Something I've been wondering and haven't been able to find an answer anywhere. Does watering temperature matter and would room temperature be best?

Also, I have almost a film canister worth of seeds that were handed down to me. So far 0/100 or so I have tried in paper towel have popped. Is there any hope for the other 1000 or so? Anything I could do to encourage them to start easier? The 2 seeds I started were 2 bag seeds I found in some kush, and both started fine. I'm thinking age and handling ruined this whole canister worth

 

[Bulénath]

Are you using Peat Pots? Seedlings can't grow well in peat pots...Indoors atleast. My very first attempt failed becasue I was using peat pots. They wick the moisture straight out of the soil and stunt root growth.

What kind of soil mix are you using?

1/3 each Perlite, Vermiculite and Black Golds worm castings is perfect for seedlings.

At Wal Mart you can buy those black plastic flimsy square pots, the 5" ones that are sold in bulk. Just fill each 5" pot with that mixture and plant one sprouted seed in each pot. Hassle free! After two weeks of Veg, start feeding with Pure Blend Pro veg, 1/4 seedling strength. Pretty simple. You shouldn't have pH problems at all.

Your temperature and humidity seems okay. Try to always water your plants with room temperature water.


The plants are a little far from the bulbs though. Seedlings that are a week old can get closer than one inch from my 19w CFLs.


As for the seeds,
Try soaking them in a cup of warm tap water for 12-24 hours, but no more. After 24 hours all the viable seeds should sink. Try giving the floating ones a tap and they should fall to the bottom. If they are still floating, they are more than likely non-viable.

So after 24 hours total, some of the seeds should be begining to crack open. Keep a good eye on them. New seeds will crack open within 12 hours and can drown if left unattended!

Either way, take the seeds that sank and put them into a moist paper towel that has gaps of air inbetween. The seeds need oxygen aswell. Keep the paper towel on a clean plate (clean with rubbing alcohol first, wash hands with anti-bacterial soap), and store in a warm, dark place. You don't want the paper towel to get sour with bacteria after only a few days.

When the seeds sprout a tail about 1/2" long, it is time to transplant into the mixture stated above.
I like to transplant my seeds with the taproot down, as it should naturally be. The seed's shell should be almost touching the soils surface, and kept in shade until it breaks through the soils surface.

 

[Bulénath]

Or, it seems like you could use some new seeds JasonK...

 

[jasonk]

Thanks for the pointers Bule! They are some sort of peat pot I'm using I think. The soil is Pro-mix HP, which I've never had any problems with before. I'll look into getting new pots though, hopefully that will help.

I got a pool PH tester, and the scale goes from 6.8-8.0 and it looks like around 6.9-7.0 for my tap water.

I have tried the shot glass method before paper towel also with no luck. But haven't paid much attention to cleanliness of the plate they're put on. Ill give it another shot and see if I can get anything out of these. If not, Seems like its time to pick up some clones or new seeds. A bit of a delay doesn't bother me much at this point. Haven't even picked up a cab to convert into a flowering room yet though. I really should get going on that

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Bulenath, YOU CAN'T GO!!! jk

We'll miss you buddy! I remember trolling ICMag years ago and seeing your cab(s) and thinking, I can do that. Your plants look amazing! If you ever get a chance, send IC a photo or two to let us know how you're doing. Good luck and good health. Biscuit

 

[rebo]

We'll miss you buddy! I remember trolling ICMag years ago and seeing your cab(s) and thinking, I can do that. Your plants look amazing! If you aver get a chance, send IC a photo or two to let us know how you're doing. Good luck and good health. Biscuit

Well said, and agreed..

 

[growMEDS]

Hey all! I'm new here and just started my first grow.

I'm running a 150w CFL in my veg cab and soon to be 150w HPS for soon to be flower cab.

Right now I just have 52w of CFL on the seelings that I just planted tonight.

 

[lostinethereal]

Good luck on your journeys Bulénath.

How's the rest of the 150w clubbers doing? Here's my 150w cab and my lone JLP SDxOG F2 girl.

 

[catman]

Pipedream - I'm going to copy your method :] About how many days does it take in the paper bags in a dark/cool space?

Bulénath! - Good to hear from you! I'm glad you safe and wish you the best with your move. Sounds like you are in for some good times :] I'll have to post some pics for you because I need to name a plant after ya I've been spreading the good word about what the whisper fans can do! Your nuclear cloud pheno picture was forever burned into my head a couple of months ago lol! I was always confused how one plant had so much bud because I didn't know it was 133 days I got one sativa pheno out of a 10 pack of serious seed bubble gum, it's the special one..seems like a good candidate for your plant.. it never would have happened without the knowledge you shared :]

growmeds - Clean cabinet so far! What are your plans for ventilation?

lostinthereal - Those should start packing on the bud real soon! Looking real good.

 

[Barnt]

About 10 days left...

 

[growMEDS]

growmeds - Clean cabinet so far! What are your plans for ventilation?

I'm not positive yet but 2-3 holes in the bottom with L pvc pieces.
And one hole up top with 110cfm computer fan.
I'm going to test that and see how it goes.

I really need to save my funds for my flower cab.

Anybody know who's using a big black rectangular cab for their grow? I cant find it again and it looked awesome.

 

[SC_KillaKali]

Heres a update at the end of week 5
PKxSD

This club has been an inspiration and is the reason I chose to start my 1st grow with a 150w cab. Since this is my first grow Ive kind of let my girl take up as much space as shes wanted and the top sites are looking good but I wanted to know. Can or Should I remove the bottom undergrowth to focus on the canopy? There are small flowers along the bottom and everywhere in between but is it worth growing out or should I remove it now?
Also I just recently got some KoolBloom liquid and started adding it a couple of days ago. My question is is it normal for plants leaves to start yellowing as they mature? Ive seen it in alot of plants mostly in soil tho and from my understanding it is the plant using up its nitrogen reserves. My plants are healthy but most recently today and if u look closely in the pics the fan leaves are yellowing at the tips. I believe it is due to the Koolbloom looks a lil burnt but I have also cut off the grow in the GH 3 part thereby reducing my Nitrogen. Should I add a lil grow in my next reservoir fill, cut down on the Koolbloom, or is this normal?

Barnt with 10 days left it is looking delicious.

 

[Bulénath]

Beautiful! Just beautiful...

Your plants look perfect, there is nothing wrong with them as far as the pictures display!

Slightly yellow/burnt tips are normal, espeically when they are getting pumped with ferts as much as they can go. And becasue the rest of your plant has leaves that are waxy-deep-green, that is a good indicator that things are going very well. Especially for five weeks into flower!

I do not suggest removing the undergrowth. Just leave 'em be...
Fan leaves hold valueable resources for the plant and act as big nutrient reserves. Toward the end of flower, the bottom leaves will start to die off, and the plant will slowly suck from the leaves what it needs.
Some people say "remove the bottom growth that wont make it to the top, that way the plant will focus its emergy on the canopy"...
I say LITFA. That is Leave It The Fuck Alone! heh Those little buds will develop as much as they can, and they do not take away from the plant's focus on the canopy!!!
Infact, if anything, any and all foliage helps the plant over all, in a synergistic way. However, I suggest trying to tuck the canopy's fan leaves away so the buds can receive more light....But don't chop them off!

 

[Bulénath]

I'm not positive yet but 2-3 holes in the bottom with L pvc pieces.
And one hole up top with 110cfm computer fan.
I'm going to test that and see how it goes.

I really need to save my funds for my flower cab.

Anybody know who's using a big black rectangular cab for their grow? I cant find it again and it looked awesome.

You are going to need some BIG holes if you only plan on using two or three for the intake...


The Surface area of a 4" diamter hole is the equivelent to the surface area of NINE 1-1/2" holes, or FOUR 2" holes... Remember to always calculate the surface area of a hole and drill by those calculations! And also remember to make your intake equall to or greater than your exhaust...Shoot for a 1.5x larger intake if possible.

Hey I grow in a Big Black cabinet! That the one you speaking of?

CW20's Nuclear Cloud pheno grow #1

CW20's Nuclear Cloud pheno grow # 2

CW20 grow # 2 multiple Pheons

 

[Bulénath]

Bulenath, YOU CAN'T GO!!! jk
We'll miss you buddy! I remember trolling ICMag years ago and seeing your cab(s) and thinking, I can do that. Your plants look amazing! If you ever get a chance, send IC a photo or two to let us know how you're doing. Good luck and good health. Biscuit

Well said, and agreed..

Good luck on your journeys Bulénath.

Bulénath! - Good to hear from you! I'm glad you safe and wish you the best with your move. Sounds like you are in for some good times :] I'll have to post some pics for you because I need to name a plant after ya I've been spreading the good word about what the whisper fans can do! Your nuclear cloud pheno picture was forever burned into my head a couple of months ago lol! I was always confused how one plant had so much bud because I didn't know it was 133 days I got one sativa pheno out of a 10 pack of serious seed bubble gum, it's the special one..seems like a good candidate for your plant.. it never would have happened without the knowledge you shared :].

I really appreciate the kind words

The single fact alone, that my posts on ICM have pased forth knowledge, the same knowledge passed to me from those who share the same passion as us all, has made every contribution worth while. A few here have once told me "If it wasn't for your posts or help, I would have given up on growing by now".

Those words of truth and encouragement have shown me what was once given, has now been passed on to many others, ten fold, and so the cycle has been completed, in the name of justice, freedom, and our love for this sacred plant.

I have said the same thing in honor of many other growers, including many whom were never seen again after the loss of Overgrow....

Buffalogrown, for introducting the Panasonic Whisper Fan.
Lavender Cowboy for teaching me how to create and use the perfect potting medium and fertilizer combination.
MTF shawman and sandman for all thier help on Overgrow....
Pipedream, who is not only a mentor to myself, but also the inspiration that sparked this all!
Sugabear, who became an O.G. member and grower in the 150club at the exact same time, who helped guide me, who learned with me, who challenged me, who gave me OB1 genetics now being passed forth to others within Tropical Rainbow seeds...
Burn1, Yamahafan, and so many others, to name them all would take over this very thread!

In the end, it is everyone of you who create the collective life force of the 150 club. It is the innate passion and love for a plant that forces us to help others and share such invaluale information, seeking to spark the same hope within others that has enabled us to grow our own, and better our lives to such an extent that we can now give back!


Pass It On & Overgrow the World!

 

[Bulénath]

Here are some Pictures of last harvest, Tripical Rainbow, Black cabinet grow #3. After the first plant was harvested I let this one go until day 79.

This strain used to be harvested on day 60-65!....That is when I ran my window Air Condition 24/7!

Now, without running the Air Condition at all, the temperatures were much higher, and the humidity became damgerously high, reaching upways to 70% at times! This sort of tropical-rain forest enviroment caused the plant's Sativa side to come out! The plant began to strech more, the leaves stayed greener much longer, and the trichomes took weeks longer to change color!

I wasn't suprised that the buds it produced became more identical to the CW20 strain which is Sativa dominant. It is not uncommon for clones to grow into different looking plants given different enviroments.








So purple it's almost black!!!






So let's compare these clones to the same clones when grown with the A/C on 24/7, thus lower temperatres and humidity:
Tropical Rainbow Grow #2 Black Cabinet, day 60-65 flower.
Notice how different she looks?? Sure the above pictures were clones harvested over two weeks later than these...But the trichomes were already at the same stage!!!

 

[SC_KillaKali]

Thanks alot for the advice Bulénath. I dived kind of head first into this grow so things are a bit guerilla status due to lack of funds but it will all be worth it soon and then improvement can begin.

BTW the Nuclear Cloud is iNSANE
Never seen anything like it. Simply stunning.

 

[Bulénath]

Thanks alot for the advice Bulénath.

BTW the Nuclear Cloud is iNSANE
Never seen anything like it. Simply stunning.

I know!! Never seen another plant that takes 133 days to flower, even with the A/C on full blast 24/7.

That is why....PIPEDREAM, where ever you are, will you do me the honors of preserving my CW20's Nuclear Cloud genetics? (Kinds feels like I am proposing here...Should I get down on one knee?) :wink:

 

[Bulénath]

Last Night's Harvet: Bulenath's Last Grow (for a few years)

Last Night's Harvet: Bulenath's Last Grow (for a few years)

Last night I harvested Tropical Rainbow's Black Cabinet grow #4 (The Final Grow). Day 75 flower.

As many ganja gurus have said "A clones gentics may mature over time".

I have been growing Tropical Rainbow for over a year. Over time, I have noticed that the clones keep maturing differently compared to the previous batches.

When comparing the first Tropical Rainbow Plant from seed, and that seed's clones living until today, the end product looks completely different!

These are some of my last Photos, and it displays very well the concept of genetic maturation, wether it has to do with the plant's enviromental changes from grow to grow, or not...


Sadly, I only have close-up shots of the buds!
But not to worry! There is one last plant that will be harvested in 7 days, and I will get full plant shots for everyone to see!!!

These buds are the best buds Tropical Rainbow has yet to produce:
Here she is in her PEAK form: Genitically matured for over 12 months.

 

[Bulénath]

You really don't need much room to dry at all. As long as the moisture can escape and you can get the air to refresh once in a while you're golden.

My favorite method, which has served me well for many years is just a plain old brown paper grocery bag. I fill the bottom with a couple inches of buds, fold-over and tape/staple the top shut, then take a regular hole-puncher and put about 6 or 7 holes down each corner catching both sides in the puncher. Let it stand in a cool dry spot and voila, perfectly dried buds.....

Seems pretty simple!


Here is my "Hawaiian Lei" method. It usually takes me about 8 hours to completely harvest, trim, manicure and sew an entire plant....

The buds are sewn with a regular needle and thread, so they are fully suspended in air, touching nothing! This allows the buds to dry in thier Pristine Form!

You'll notice four plates, with two types of trim.

In the back are the fan leaves, which are dried until they are 90%, put into a galss jar in the freezer, and then used to make hash.
90% because that little bit of moisture, when frozen, helps the trichomes to be removed easier, without sanding down the acutal foliage into particles that slip through the screen, contaminating the hash quality.


In the front you'll see "Grade A" trim. The reason why you see so much trim is the same reason why I take 8 hours to harvest a plant: My buds are pure! No leaves at all! The "Grade A" trim is not used to make hash, rather it is used as pre-packing for each bong load...
Nothing sucks like wathcing half your bowl get sucked into the bong water...





After seven days of hanging in a dark closet, above my grow boxes' exhaust,
the buds are carefully weighed and placed into Glass on Glass Apothecary Jars, as shown on the upper shelf... Those nine jars can hold about a Quarter Pound.

Humidity should range from 50-55% when drying, and especially when opening your jars to cure the dried product!!!



Oh yeah, Glass on Glass is the way to store and smoke your buds!