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Walter White
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Medical Marijuana Prices
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The overall quality of 'med pot' will be better, because more people who use pot as medicine will grow their own, or know someone who will grow for them. If the taxes drive the price to say 500/zip, watch the quality come up to justify the price. Watch how fast people start growing their own if the market is set at 500/zip. Honestly, a few years into growing, if I were a casual smoker, and not infatuated with the plant on all levels, I may not even bother to grow commercially @ less than 300/zip. I grow because I love to, and the plants pay the bills.
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scarred4life
I can see it now, Walter. $200 for 20 heavily fertilized, chemically treated, heavily irradiated, and mold-ridden outdoor big bud joints labeled as "purplemasterogsourdieselcalikush," complete with synthetically produced, grape flavored, tobacco derivative "rolling medium" and a surgeon general's warning stating that consuming this product could be "harmful to one's health." Imagine all the money that's to be made once the gov can tax the product, fill it full of poisons that will "prove" how destructive cannabis is, and receive contributions from the medical industry, which will profit endlessly from the illnesses of users "poisoned" by pot and a burgeoning rehab industry designed to "save" people from the devil's cabage.
OK, maybe I'm a LITTLE paranoid; I'll try hard to keep things on topic
OK, maybe I'm a LITTLE paranoid; I'll try hard to keep things on topic
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scarred4life
if things are legalized, barletta, i'm sceptical about whether "liquor store bud" will be quality. You are right, however, that personal grows of high-quality bud will continue. The question then becomes (to bring things around to med prices), what will medicinal quality buds cost if lower quality is readily available for everyone. and how many people will take the time to grow when it's everywhere?
Not that tobacco's medicinal, but how many smokers are willing to cultivate tobacco to obtain a higher quality product? umm, I've never met a tobacco grower, and a lot of people smoke that awful shit.
Not that tobacco's medicinal, but how many smokers are willing to cultivate tobacco to obtain a higher quality product? umm, I've never met a tobacco grower, and a lot of people smoke that awful shit.
nephilthim
Member
blue dot i appreciate your concerns there are friendly dispensaries that are somewhat comppassionate,but proposing to shut down dispensaries is counterproductive to those that enjoy frequenting said dispensary that you maintain is a ripoff.economies of scale are not a business dynamic that all disp can attain,factor in salary X factor,overhead x factor,cost of plant X factor.
now with the backdrop of free market competition naturally setting a price between4-6thousand so 250 to 350 a zip add in all those x factors and you have what the free market truly bears in competion between coop for product.now recieving a zip @ 210 was compassion compared to what market prices bear.
we are not talking farm industry with subsidies and price supports coupled with a hopefully newly relaxed attitude towards medical mj.if more people choose to grow then maybe more quantity in supply of mj will equate to less demand and lower pricing.otherwise you are just complaining about a system of distribution that works because of demand (you and I the consumer)which if you are out of supply,then price is immaterial.
besides if you are a medical user,don't mind settling on a comparatively expensive club compared to a compassionate one,that is your divine right to waste $.if you are managing your sheckels appropriately,and do your homework you can find a good deal for less $.
and if you don't, the most powerfull weapon as a consumer is two latin words I love to quote:caveat emptor,meaning "buyer beware" if you don't like a disp don't go back.vote with your feet and off to the next one of which there are plenty.
now with the backdrop of free market competition naturally setting a price between4-6thousand so 250 to 350 a zip add in all those x factors and you have what the free market truly bears in competion between coop for product.now recieving a zip @ 210 was compassion compared to what market prices bear.
we are not talking farm industry with subsidies and price supports coupled with a hopefully newly relaxed attitude towards medical mj.if more people choose to grow then maybe more quantity in supply of mj will equate to less demand and lower pricing.otherwise you are just complaining about a system of distribution that works because of demand (you and I the consumer)which if you are out of supply,then price is immaterial.
besides if you are a medical user,don't mind settling on a comparatively expensive club compared to a compassionate one,that is your divine right to waste $.if you are managing your sheckels appropriately,and do your homework you can find a good deal for less $.
and if you don't, the most powerfull weapon as a consumer is two latin words I love to quote:caveat emptor,meaning "buyer beware" if you don't like a disp don't go back.vote with your feet and off to the next one of which there are plenty.
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Blue Dot
not in san diego.
I thinks that's a big problem in this discussion, location.
It's like barletta quoting NYC prices, Big apples to oranges lol
If swag/brick/bulk import takes a competitive slice out of business, the people working with the top end will have to make adjustments. They will not be able to sell the volume of 350 zips that they used to. Those zips will either go down in price, up in quality, OR the business will cut costs/profits. That will be the effect that a plentiful swag market would have on the med quality product. Are clubs actually providing a med quality product 85%+ of the time? I ask, cause I don't know. I have never been, but if they start passin shit in the east, guess who will have a disp! Right now, my buds are all that you could ask for, unless you don't like the cuts themselves. There is no reason to grow chemmy/pesty pot. If you can't control your room for a med product (which should command higher 'med prices'. What cost more a scalpel or an exacto?), reduce the size of your op till you can.
If the price of tobacco was taxed and pressured (through prohibition and other factors) to $20/cig (500/zip) damn right people would either quit or grow their own.
Clubs charge what they charge because they can. They have overhead which adds to the cost. They have the cash (capital) and the connects (competition) to reduce the costs of obtaining meds. If a zip of A++ medicine grade organic, fully finished, well manicured bud costs ~$25 to produce (what it costs me if I don;'t decide to buy 'grow stuff' that I don't need), no one really has a right to charge more than $25 + time/oz if there were no prohibition/competition.
$20/hr tax free
1 hour to maintain the oz in rooting
1 hour in veg
3 hours in flower
.5 hours to trim
5.5 hours = $110 worth of 'work. $135 covers the cost. $270 doubles up, just like any wholesale to retail. The club pays the farmer 135/zip (his costs + 20/hr for his time), and retails it ~270. Actually, prohibition has really only driven up the BS bud market that takes 1/2 the expense, and 1/4 the time(love). But still goes for ~300 retail here in the east. What is the street/club price of 'green buds' in SoCal? Not BAD weed, just a fast strain grown hard and fast.
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blue dot - please tell me the prices, so that I understand. No joke
Club/street
A++/greenbud/green brick/swag
lb/oz/g for the A++
Thanks
Apples to oranges?
Oz of Kush done well in SoCal:
450+ retail?
5g's+ lb?
20/g+?
Are those prices way out of line for A++ organic strain of choice taken the full 10+ weeks?
WEll 3000 miles away, we tawk funny, but the money is still green. The buds smell better though (kidding, take a pull
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Oz of Haze
450+ retail
5g's+/lb
20/g+
And that's not midtown where shit is ANOTHER 60%+. That's in Jersey.
EDIT - Here is a lil about my market.
My buds go for 300/zip or 4800/lb. Period. I have never had a question of bud quality; 7 week skunk strain or 12 week haze strain. I do not know the person that buys the meds. I do know that they re sell it, and he is willing to spend 300/zip for my buds no problem. I was told that my supply is a drop in the bucket, and generally the green buds come down from canada for ~3500+ costs (rental to the border, etc...). The kind comes in from all over.
The next batch to go out is FIRE. 12 week selected ssh cut and a killer hawiian x sk. Both organic, 12 weeks (well 82 days). My cost is much higher to produce those buds than to produce equal weight of lesser smoke. But you know what? 300 is 300. I like to smoke the killer, so that's what I grow. I could literally hook up a few quarters, and within hours, I would be able to go through the oz's for close to 500/per. But I'm not greedy, when it hits the block, the buyers get to smoke what I smoke
I just wanted to illustrate that there appears to be much less of a 'Killer' market here. Homegrown organic green, no matter the cut (unless it is odorless, and crystal less, and poorly trimmed, and damp) goes for top$$, while green spicy 'handled' buds go for less - 300/3500/20g. I dunno where to get good brick anymore, but I would say that green brick would run 150-180/zip, and dirt is available for under 100...
There is no:
Uptown - 500 (12 week)
Kush - 475 (11 week)
SSH - 450 (10 week)
WW/blueberry/AK - 400 (9 week)
Skunk/NL - 350 (8 week)
Mexicana Non la Bricka - 300 (well done bulk outdoor)
I used to hit a head shop in midtown (54th bet 9th and 10th, it's long gone...), and they had a cool setup like that. Green KB's started at 125 though. Afrikaaner Gold And the first time I smoked hash was like it was a bong hit of swag, and I was TRIPPIN. God bless the entrepreneurs.
EDIT AGAIN - Middle man makes 10-15% depending on situation. I get 255-275/zip
Oz of Kush done well in SoCal:
450+ retail?
5g's+ lb?
20/g+?
Are those prices way out of line for A++ organic strain of choice taken the full 10+ weeks?
WEll 3000 miles away, we tawk funny, but the money is still green. The buds smell better though (kidding, take a pull
)Oz of Haze
450+ retail
5g's+/lb
20/g+
And that's not midtown where shit is ANOTHER 60%+. That's in Jersey.
EDIT - Here is a lil about my market.
My buds go for 300/zip or 4800/lb. Period. I have never had a question of bud quality; 7 week skunk strain or 12 week haze strain. I do not know the person that buys the meds. I do know that they re sell it, and he is willing to spend 300/zip for my buds no problem. I was told that my supply is a drop in the bucket, and generally the green buds come down from canada for ~3500+ costs (rental to the border, etc...). The kind comes in from all over.
The next batch to go out is FIRE. 12 week selected ssh cut and a killer hawiian x sk. Both organic, 12 weeks (well 82 days). My cost is much higher to produce those buds than to produce equal weight of lesser smoke. But you know what? 300 is 300. I like to smoke the killer, so that's what I grow. I could literally hook up a few quarters, and within hours, I would be able to go through the oz's for close to 500/per. But I'm not greedy, when it hits the block, the buyers get to smoke what I smoke
I just wanted to illustrate that there appears to be much less of a 'Killer' market here. Homegrown organic green, no matter the cut (unless it is odorless, and crystal less, and poorly trimmed, and damp) goes for top$$, while green spicy 'handled' buds go for less - 300/3500/20g. I dunno where to get good brick anymore, but I would say that green brick would run 150-180/zip, and dirt is available for under 100...
There is no:
Uptown - 500 (12 week)
Kush - 475 (11 week)
SSH - 450 (10 week)
WW/blueberry/AK - 400 (9 week)
Skunk/NL - 350 (8 week)
Mexicana Non la Bricka - 300 (well done bulk outdoor)
I used to hit a head shop in midtown (54th bet 9th and 10th, it's long gone...), and they had a cool setup like that. Green KB's started at 125 though. Afrikaaner Gold
And the first time I smoked hash was like it was a bong hit of swag, and I was TRIPPIN. God bless the entrepreneurs.EDIT AGAIN - Middle man makes 10-15% depending on situation. I get 255-275/zip
nephilthim
Member
lack of disp in your area is because of your dipshit county superviors,the attitude by enjoining area municipality police,sherifs dept is directly causal of my ambivalence to all PUBLIC EMPLOYEE! unions.some counties are more friendly in their acceptance of prop 215 san diego is the worst for being unabashed in their continual unacceptance of the peoples will.I hope all of you do your homework,and target these wads when they come up or reelection.
barnyard
Member
another bureaucracy is not going to solve the issue...
another bureaucracy is not going to solve the issue...
The solution is simple ~ allow folks to grow their own
We need legislation that allows for personal grows and stop this dispensary non-sense because its fueled by greed.
Everyone on the planet should be able to grow a half dozen "mature", i,e, flowering plants. This would drastically reduce prices and make MJ a safer product. Plus individuals would reap the benefits of cultivating life!
another bureaucracy is not going to solve the issue...
The solution is simple ~ allow folks to grow their own
We need legislation that allows for personal grows and stop this dispensary non-sense because its fueled by greed.
Everyone on the planet should be able to grow a half dozen "mature", i,e, flowering plants. This would drastically reduce prices and make MJ a safer product. Plus individuals would reap the benefits of cultivating life!
If you have a legit physicians recommendation to use marijuana for medicinal purposes guess what....
You CAN grow your own LEGALLY in California. People choose to not grow their own for whatever reason and choose the convenience of a "dispensary/club/coop/collective". You know so people have this thing called a job, which prevents them for having the necessary amount of time to learn the ropes of producing their own pot. Also you have other people who are disabled and can't grow their own. Some people live in a situations in which their security is lacking or could be easily compromised so once again growing isn't possible for them. Also some patients have the problem despite having all those previous bases covered with accepting the decriminalized status of MMJ, and growing their own and are still too paranoid to do it. If clubs, collectives, ect. were that greedy then why do a lot of them sell CLONES (guaranteed females(not just seed) which makes it a lot easier for people to grow their own. 99.9% of medical pot patients would have no idea how to obtain clones w/o their local dispensary, and the same percentage have never heard of things like seedbay, and are too scared to order seeds anyways.
5K for an lb is Ok, once legal, some will go for much more. If it were legal, I would select choice colas and auction them to the highest bidder, for over ten K per. Legalization will not make weed cheaper, you are dreaming folks. The govt will take half through licensing, taxes, and fees, that is the way the legal world works. You folks keep figuring cost without any capital expenses to come up with cheap costs per oz production, and that is just not real, although you can do it for a while, till you go out of business in a slump season.
I love and embrace the hippy values, but I like to eat too.
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I love and embrace the hippy values, but I like to eat too.
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Why? They are either smoking or selling 1 hitter organic quitter. The cost to the farmer is 100-150/zip (including his time), is he entitled to get paid? manufacturer to wholesale = 100% markup. Wholesale to retail = another 100% markup. It is not produce, there are no gov't subsidies and tax breaks, in fact - just the opposite.lol at this anyone who pays 5 for a # is just a retard no herb is worth that. wow
Produced @ $5/gram
Wolesaled @ $10/g
Retailed @ $20/g Is the smoker who buys a $20 gram of haze or kush or whatever a retard? Well that's 9g's a #. If it's a full G, it's a deal. It has been since the dollar was worth less (price is dropping). 10 years ago, a solid G was worth 20 bux.
Assuming NJ goes med with it's 6 plants...
I see an initial spike in price, as people try to get paid. Then I see a drop in price as supply catches up, then I see the price coming RIGHT back, but the product will be generally better and easier to obtain - worth the price.
Like I said, the price for A++ is the same on both coasts at all levels. I bet the VT and KY farmers make just as much as the NoCal guys. Big OD fields of dank going for ~2-3 g's/per. And I bet there are plenty of guys in SoCal producing the same meds as me, making the same money. You guys pay 2x's for the power, however. Sitll, what is a couple of hundo on a crop?
barnyard
Member
it's a civil liberties issue FreedomFGHTR..
it's a civil liberties issue FreedomFGHTR..
Individuals have a right to grow the plant Cannabis. A marijuana user should not have to involve a 3rd party to grow the plant (except for supplies :wink: ) Nor should they have to prove a malady to get approval to use the plant.
Paying a Doctor for a Rx and paying for an institution to regulate the medical marijuana process are both a waste of money.
Allow for small personal grows - for everyone - and get rid of the crime and high price (and paranoia) currently associated with Cannabis.
Yes medical users can designate a "primary caregiver" to grow or can grow themselves (that's common knowledge). What's happening now is that unethical individuals are buying "primary caregiver" status but shorting the medical user and selling the remaining medicine for profit.
Cannabis is one of the oldest cultivated plants if not THE oldest cultivated plant. It outgrows just about anything on the planet and is not a challenging plant to grow.
I'm also asserting that the cultivation itself is healthful. Homo sapiens are really caregivers at heart and many positive things occur when they care for life. So Ideally marijuana users should grow their own. I understand that illness/space/finances prevent some people from growing so they'll need to seek assistance from their social network.
barletta notes cannabis production at 5 bucks a gram and that's the real crime here.
Finally, my homegrown tomatoes aren't taxed nor is my homegrown weed.
it's a civil liberties issue FreedomFGHTR..
Individuals have a right to grow the plant Cannabis. A marijuana user should not have to involve a 3rd party to grow the plant (except for supplies :wink: ) Nor should they have to prove a malady to get approval to use the plant.
Paying a Doctor for a Rx and paying for an institution to regulate the medical marijuana process are both a waste of money.
Allow for small personal grows - for everyone - and get rid of the crime and high price (and paranoia) currently associated with Cannabis.
Yes medical users can designate a "primary caregiver" to grow or can grow themselves (that's common knowledge). What's happening now is that unethical individuals are buying "primary caregiver" status but shorting the medical user and selling the remaining medicine for profit.
Cannabis is one of the oldest cultivated plants if not THE oldest cultivated plant. It outgrows just about anything on the planet and is not a challenging plant to grow.
I'm also asserting that the cultivation itself is healthful. Homo sapiens are really caregivers at heart and many positive things occur when they care for life. So Ideally marijuana users should grow their own. I understand that illness/space/finances prevent some people from growing so they'll need to seek assistance from their social network.
barletta notes cannabis production at 5 bucks a gram and that's the real crime here.
Finally, my homegrown tomatoes aren't taxed nor is my homegrown weed.
smokesalot420
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they change caregiver laws making said caregivers having to provide more then just MMJ and such? I was a caregiver for my girlfriend before I got my own recommendation and had to be very careful when dealing with the law.... All I know is that they are making it more difficult to be considered a "caregiver" for a person, at least here in California.
Here is a link I found that talks about the case last year:
http://420attorney.com/caregivers.html
I agree with what you're saying, I don't think they should be able to tell us not to grow this plant for too many reasons for me to list atm! I feel that tending my plants acts as a stress reliever (except when I have fungus gnats or spider mites or PM lol) and wish everyone would/could grow themselves. Prices would certainly drop then, I know they have for me and my girlfriend!!
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Blue Dot
Actually, that's been the case ever since Lungren v. Peron.
San Diego has actually used that all along when busting dispensaries and more recently delivery services. It's the only thing I kinda agree with san diego about. Legit caregivng (non-MJ) to disabled persons etc is actually a big business but those caregivers work hard and it's a shame some yahoo can just claim caregiver status and make more then a legit one by doing 10X less work (ie just delivering pot to people).
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Blue Dot
That's exactly what is happening right now (and has always been happening) in CA. Dispensaries are really just auction houses that auction off their pot to the highest bidder.
It's no suprise that some of the most expensive pot sold at dispensaries are in affluent areas like santa monica, etc. Those dispensaries know those people have money so they just mark their price at whatever they think the highest bidder will pay.
This is completely immoral not to mention completely against the law of 215 saying pot must be affordable. Affordable means affordable to ALL, not just the highest bidder.
Last time I checked this thread was about Medical MJ prices. Not about civil liberty issues there are plenty of those threads, and I think we all agree that we should be free to grow/smoke/whatever.
Then don't see a doctor for your health issues. No institution is paid to regulate medical marijuana in California just only a few who actively persecute it.
No but if you sell those homegrown tomatoes for a profit legally you are obligated to report that income which is subject to taxes...
barnyard
Member
you are correct smokesalot420, Colorado state law defines primary caregiver as:
(f) "Primary care-giver" means a person, other than the patient and the patient's physician, who is eighteen years of age or older and has significant responsibility for managing the well-being of a patient who has a debilitating medical condition.
The medical user can designate the primary care giver to grow the Marijuana. The med user can designate a dispensary as the primary care giver. Look on Craig's list and you'll see dispensaries offering help to get the med user "certified" for medical use. What's happening is that the dispensary gets to grow the number of plants allowed for the med user. In Colorado, that's 3 flowering plants. The problem is that out of the 3 plants that yield half a pound medicine the med user only gets 4 ounces and the dispensary pockets the profit for the other 4 ounces. Thus dispensaries are using med users as "cash cows". Not exactly what the law was originally intended for.
(f) "Primary care-giver" means a person, other than the patient and the patient's physician, who is eighteen years of age or older and has significant responsibility for managing the well-being of a patient who has a debilitating medical condition.
The medical user can designate the primary care giver to grow the Marijuana. The med user can designate a dispensary as the primary care giver. Look on Craig's list and you'll see dispensaries offering help to get the med user "certified" for medical use. What's happening is that the dispensary gets to grow the number of plants allowed for the med user. In Colorado, that's 3 flowering plants. The problem is that out of the 3 plants that yield half a pound medicine the med user only gets 4 ounces and the dispensary pockets the profit for the other 4 ounces. Thus dispensaries are using med users as "cash cows". Not exactly what the law was originally intended for.
