AndreNicky
Member
Is this some kinda bash too me? cus a raw diet is essentially what hunter gathers had. You seem to mistake my food choices for some advocacy of agriculture, Dunno where u get that idea from.
-
Happy Birthday ICMag! Been 20 years since Gypsy Nirvana created the forum! We are celebrating with a 4/20 Giveaway and by launching a new Patreon tier called "420club". You can read more here.
-
Important notice: ICMag's T.O.U. has been updated. Please review it here. For your convenience, it is also available in the main forum menu, under 'Quick Links"!
Vegeterians
- Thread starter Stevius
- Start date
Is this some kinda bash too me? cus a raw diet is essentially what hunter gathers had. You seem to mistake my food choices for some advocacy of agriculture, Dunno where u get that idea from.
Perhaps you don't understand it. Now that's simple enough for you. You think its easier to control hunters gatherers than people depending on the crops OK but I'd say that's crazy talk. One major way we the elite can control & get fat. There's plenty of food at this point but millions are starving>
Lets talk spuds, the Irish potato famine for one example how many people died directly indirectly from it, now that's quite a large number. A sustainable hunter gathering population this would not occur.
So what remains of the hunter gatherers is very few as the prime lands have been ravished with agriculture or other advanced technologies. At best you'll need some licensing to be able to hunt or fish. Modern societies have only been here .1% the time while man has been hunting & gathering 99.9%. Now you were going to explain the benefits or add some of your insightful knowledge to the thread?
Bash? no not my style, you play by yourselves I'm into discussing topics not name calling etc. I'm saying they ate meat as often as they could kill it mixed with berries wild plants etc. They seemed to of had a better balanced diet than most have today but one that included meat.
AndreNicky
Member
Your ignorant if u think that, big agribiz is one of the main problems nowadays.
N
North
Why do I open my fucking mouth!!LOL
I commented on grassalots statement "agriculture farming has destroyed life on earth" which is a stupid statement still,maybe I dont understand.
He didnt say anything about big agrobiz andre(thats a whole nuther beast)
lets remember that "hunters" put nearly every animal there is on an endangered list by killing all they could and more than they need,thank god conservation groups stopped the madness.A naturally occuring blight as tragic as it was for the irish was just that,a naturally occuring thing,hardly something to blame on a lifestyle.
I believe an agrarian lifestyle is the "answer" in todays world.Farmers care about the land and never destroy without thinking,especially land.
In 1880 95% of people lived and worked on farms to feed the world,today 1% of the people farm and feed the rest of the world.
Anyways......Im a deliberate agrarian who feels farming is a way better lifestyle than any other out there.
Big Bizness is big bizness......all day long.
I commented on grassalots statement "agriculture farming has destroyed life on earth" which is a stupid statement still,maybe I dont understand.
He didnt say anything about big agrobiz andre(thats a whole nuther beast)
lets remember that "hunters" put nearly every animal there is on an endangered list by killing all they could and more than they need,thank god conservation groups stopped the madness.A naturally occuring blight as tragic as it was for the irish was just that,a naturally occuring thing,hardly something to blame on a lifestyle.
I believe an agrarian lifestyle is the "answer" in todays world.Farmers care about the land and never destroy without thinking,especially land.
In 1880 95% of people lived and worked on farms to feed the world,today 1% of the people farm and feed the rest of the world.
Anyways......Im a deliberate agrarian who feels farming is a way better lifestyle than any other out there.
Big Bizness is big bizness......all day long.
I find it staggering how totally clueless you are.....
Do you not understand that your choice to live a malignant and parasitic lifestyle indeed forces things on me (and my descendants)??
You are forcing the filth, waste and depletion your selfish and greedy lifestyle causes on everyone else on this planet.....so don't try and pass it off as "I'm this way and your that way" please.....
The way that you are poses a direct threat to my survival and the survival of my children, and your "rights" to a lifestyle choice to not entitle you to behaviour that threatens the future existence of others.
Hey who am I to destroy your beliefs especially those which are ignorant. You're are correct you don't understand which is a good time to listen & keep quiet as opposed to opening your mouth thus removing all doubt. Eat your carrots OJ.
You'll need those carrots for reading. Now I want to look at your statement..In 1880 95% of people lived and worked on farms to feed the world,today 1% of the people farm and feed the rest of the world.
Now what are we to take from this, you know millions are starving on the planet yet you say 1% feed the rest of the world. Oh my how short sighted are you? If they were able to hunt & gather they would be fed & relaxing not starving. Do you think we have more spare time or less than early hunters & gatherers? I'll be back, in the meantime read.
LOL....true,I am short sited.MY WORLD IS the USA,so take exactly what I wrote for what it is,except change world to USA.
As far as the billions starving,I always wondered why someone would sit and starve in the same area without even trying.If the shoes were turned,you would find me and mine walking away from the starving and finding better somewere else.If I were to ever die starving,it would definately be walking toward food.Not waiting for someone else to bring it!!
We definately have more spare time now than then .back then it was sunup to sundown,wether you were farming or hunting.
Now how bout an answer to the start of this whole stupid bout??
How has farming destroyed life on earth?
because in my eyes it sustains life on earth,Imma look for your answer and leave this cats thread alone,vegans are cool in my book
As far as the billions starving,I always wondered why someone would sit and starve in the same area without even trying.If the shoes were turned,you would find me and mine walking away from the starving and finding better somewere else.If I were to ever die starving,it would definately be walking toward food.Not waiting for someone else to bring it!!
We definately have more spare time now than then .back then it was sunup to sundown,wether you were farming or hunting.
Now how bout an answer to the start of this whole stupid bout??
How has farming destroyed life on earth?
because in my eyes it sustains life on earth,Imma look for your answer and leave this cats thread alone,vegans are cool in my book
LOL....true,I am short sited.MY WORLD IS the USA,so take exactly what I wrote for what it is,except change world to USA.
As far as the billions starving,I always wondered why someone would sit and starve in the same area without even trying.If the shoes were turned,you would find me and mine walking away from the starving and finding better somewere else.If I were to ever die starving,it would definately be walking toward food.Not waiting for someone else to bring it!!
We definately have more spare time now than then .back then it was sunup to sundown,wether you were farming or hunting.
Now how bout an answer to the start of this whole stupid bout??
How has farming destroyed life on earth?
because in my eyes it sustains life on earth,Imma look for your answer and leave this cats thread alone,vegans are cool in my book
RIGHT, but lets change the USA into the Elite who control the food. Now are you with me
Farming agriculture has destroyed life on earth. Not only has it made the elite what they are its created overpopulation, welfare & tyranny.
We already hand out food for welfare by the elite under the preset conditions, the world is overpopulated & millions have died when farming has failed or controlled. Now if this is the stupidest thing you've read what have you been reading? I've shown a couple of examples there's plenty more.
Youve "shown" nothing.Other than this statement your so fond of.There must be a real gap here,cuz your losing me.I dont equate farming with tyrany,overpopulation,or welfare,nor do I see how anyone else could.
By farming I mean...A farm is an area of land, including various structures, devoted primarily to the practice of producing and managing food (produce, grains, or livestock), fibers and, increasingly, fuel. It is the basic production facility in food production.(from the wiki)
I know dozens of "farmers" who grow food and milk cows to feed thousands of people,they have destroyed nothing,are not tyrants,and definately dont feel they are elite.
How bout showing me one more time how farming destroys life on earth.Im slow
So no welfare starving people or control hehehe You're are short sighted without a doubt. Now you were explaining the benefits of farming & agriculture. They feed thousands who could of otherwise fed themselves. How about the hungry where does your farm help them? No fatties in a hunting gathering community & no welfare or overpopulation. They have as much or more free time than modern man.
AndreNicky
Member
Sounds like somones angry, mad that I'm right and your wrong north? When people are as brainwashed as half the people on this board(o boy am i gonna get some criticism for this) you need to deal with them harshly so they learn, most people are so brainwashed tho they won't even listen in the first place 
.
This is gonna be the last time i post in this thread cus im tired of trolls that just wanna argue over bullshit, so let me just make this last point. If you eat meat and try to justify it by saying "But cavemens did it" your an ignorant fucking retard, cavemens ate meat sporadically and it was raw NOT COOKED, there diet mainly consisted of Raw, alkaline, starchless foods just like I've been advocating this whole thread.
.This is gonna be the last time i post in this thread cus im tired of trolls that just wanna argue over bullshit, so let me just make this last point. If you eat meat and try to justify it by saying "But cavemens did it" your an ignorant fucking retard, cavemens ate meat sporadically and it was raw NOT COOKED, there diet mainly consisted of Raw, alkaline, starchless foods just like I've been advocating this whole thread.
N
North
Rojo, if I may, I'm pretty sure the point Grass is trying to make is this, Farming artificialy increased the human population beyond its "NATURAL" carrying capacity. I dont wanna argue for him but i see where he's coming from, and I agree with a good deal of his point, but i also see what your saying , and its the pragmatic answer, farming will feed us all.
it looks like you two are talking past each other.
it looks like you two are talking past each other.
Monoculture farming, esp the way it is done today (and ESP for meat), is a totally destructive process.
here's some facts:
Until agri-business is eliminated and permaculture living becauses the norm, the production of food will remain yet another means of hoarding resources for the benefit the very few at the expense of the many, and at the expense of future generations.
We are obviously talking about two different things here,my vision of a farm is the 100 head and under "family" farm.I can also personally say as fact that the small farms I speak of do not contribute to the mess you speak of Genki,as a matter of fact small farmers are excellent caretakers of the land and do none of the damage you speak of.You are talking big business,when they are raising thousands of head it is no longer a farm in my eyes,the topsoil in my area is fine,as all manure is put back.The streams in my area are fine as manure pits must be used,no run off.A lot of points you bring up are purely laughable to anyone who farms,Ive raised hundreds of cows and bulls,and to reach a 1000 lbs isnt that hard,and certainly isnt enuf water to float a battleship!
I could argue alot of points but why,its pointless.You are right when you say huge monoculture farming is destructive,to a point.Why brazil feels the need to blame cows for burning more of there forests and raping the land for trees I dont know.But even then....to say farming destroys life on earth....still a stretch.
I speak of sustainable agriculture on the small scale,and they are certainly not destroying anything,they are sewards of the land.
The small family farm is gonna be what saves this planet,imo.
its hard to think globally when ya been raised in the country and live life in a 20 mile circle.My world is very small
I could argue alot of points but why,its pointless.You are right when you say huge monoculture farming is destructive,to a point.Why brazil feels the need to blame cows for burning more of there forests and raping the land for trees I dont know.But even then....to say farming destroys life on earth....still a stretch.
I speak of sustainable agriculture on the small scale,and they are certainly not destroying anything,they are sewards of the land.
The small family farm is gonna be what saves this planet,imo.
its hard to think globally when ya been raised in the country and live life in a 20 mile circle.My world is very small
If you're looking for information on why there isn't a single diet that seems to work for everyone, look no further.
Why do some people do great as a vegan and others not? Think about it. The main blood types originated in distinctly separate parts of the world. In each of those parts of the world there was a distinctly different source of foods and diet.
Now that we can import food from all over the world and our diets have changed, it's become a big mess. Fortunately there has been research done by those who've noticed this.
You'll find a large list of Beneficial and Neutral foods for you as well as which foods you should avoid. It's broken down into categories so that it's easy for you to find which list you should be looking at.
Main Page Link (University of Oregon)
Please read the page carefully and follow all recommendations.
Combine this with an all organic produce diet and healthy food sources and your body will have the best chance of being optimally healthy.
I can't afford to buy the organic produce so I'm growing it myself.
Why do some people do great as a vegan and others not? Think about it. The main blood types originated in distinctly separate parts of the world. In each of those parts of the world there was a distinctly different source of foods and diet.
Now that we can import food from all over the world and our diets have changed, it's become a big mess. Fortunately there has been research done by those who've noticed this.
You'll find a large list of Beneficial and Neutral foods for you as well as which foods you should avoid. It's broken down into categories so that it's easy for you to find which list you should be looking at.
Main Page Link (University of Oregon)
Please read the page carefully and follow all recommendations.
Combine this with an all organic produce diet and healthy food sources and your body will have the best chance of being optimally healthy.
I can't afford to buy the organic produce so I'm growing it myself.
