wher is the new elite?

[SuperConductor]

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[englishrick]

like Hazeseeker said,,,,,"germ seeds an take cuts from them all".......eventualy you will find something worthy,,,,,

if you do it in high numbers ,you will know what your talking about!

Cheese came from a pack of sk1,,,,

 

[Phillthy]

C21H30O2 raises a good point... not so much about where the goods come from but about most people being impatient for really good herb to mature. everyone wants huge yields in under 8 weeks. The best I have ever come by will never fit that bill. Good things DO come to those who wait sometimes I guess

 

[BigBambu]

i agree with Lokes, around here, piff and fire just mean that its good herb being sold by some idiot who doesn't know the name of the strain. and its completely different all the time.

 

[BONUS BAG]

i agree with Lokes, around here, piff and fire just mean that its good herb being sold by some idiot who doesn't know the name of the strain. and its completely different all the time.

yeah criptonite is a everyday name for good weed too just like piff or fire.lol fire can be midgrade as long as its good.where im at piff is just another way of saying weed. most folks around me thinks people are making shit up when all these names pop up.so around here names dont sale the quality does,so the name gets lost anyway

 

[englishrick]

pif just sounds like a name for "dank haze",,,,im sure some clones fully fit the bill.....

have any of you guys tryed o`haze from TFD,,,,,i bet some are piff phenos

 

[horror business]

Well, it must suck living in an area where they sell non NYC Haze as Piff.

Let me clarify, for those of you wondering. When I bought my Piff, the dealer didn't say "Hey man I got some piff!". In fact, up until recently I didn't know it was called Piff. It was sold as Haze, and at the time I imagined it was just a made up name for some amazing dank strain.

Then I found out I was wrong. Everyone, who experiences the Uptown Haze, Frankies, Church, Piff, whatever you want to call it, all concludes the same thing. It's all the same. This has been pointed out many times in this thread, and by last.

It is unique. I have smoked Super Silver Haze, Neville's Haze, and Amnesia Haze. They are all good, but they are nothing like Piff.

Piff has a unique smell, taste, and high. You honestly have to experience it to find out what all the rage is about. I'm not hyping it for no reason.

Before I experienced Piff, I was used to smoking Organic Soma strains, that taste amazing. I had experienced many different Sour Diesels and the real OG Kush. I basically thought I had experienced quite a bit of strains and flavors.

But upon taking the first puff of the NYC Haze, everything I thought I knew, flew out the window. When I smoked it, I was used to smoking a few grams of Soma's Lavender a day. So it wasn't like my tolerance was low or anything. It was just a really bad ass strain.

So, please... when you hear me refer to Piff/NYC Haze, realize that I'm not a wigger, or an ignorant idiot, who calls every dank sativa, Piff. I don't even listen to rap.

 

[bigherb]

wats it lmao
4 da 1oo time
frankies = frankincense catpiss spicy bit peppery

i thought you could enlighten mee seems i could put u up on som things

og kush n her falavs r agreed on but the wack commerce n hybrids r round extra heavy n som folk get the interpetation that wat it should be same wit piff


cozzoo its been narrowed down quite much u nn my other friend should doo som reasearch but if you read all my post on piif nyc haze frankies descriptionn backround it sums it up 4 ya

piff
its just a wack slang
not a specific strain period

so my point horror all concludes the same thing
wats ur take Piff has a unique smell, taste

n now uu rudeboi wats the unique smell


does everyone describing their idea of piff hav a cold or were u brought up in a forien country werr aromas rr quite diff

 

[stretchpup]

Respect OG...

Loompa Headband...

 

[lokes]

C21H30O2 raises a good point... not so much about where the goods come from but about most people being impatient for really good herb to mature. everyone wants huge yields in under 8 weeks. The best I have ever come by will never fit that bill. Good things DO come to those who wait sometimes I guess

That's why I've been eyeing some of the Africans from Afropips. Those herbs look real nice, might just take a little patience in flowering and to get em on lock to get anykind of cosistency and a good pheno.

Anyone grown out any of those?

 

[Thundurkel]

Alaskan Thunder Goo aka Matanuska Goo(AlaskanThunderFuck x NorCal Goo) is more potent than the Chems and OGs, it's a good yielder and smells like candy not even pot just straight candy.... Puts out the frost from the first pistil it tosses out and it's being held captive by a select few up here in Nor Cal. I was lucky enough to get a few cuts of this for my first grow and I made a mom and kept it going and found out the breeder went to jail for some serious drug shit other than pot and all the other dudes who had it ended up losing it one way or another I actually just gave a cut of it to the guy I got it from cuz he was SO DAMN EXCITED when he found out I still had it going so as of now there are 3 people including me who have moms of it and we are keeping her safe... I plan to make crosses with her this summer

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These last ones were in the end of week 7 and I've only taken her to 60 days and she could've still went another week cuz her calyxes were really swelling up and turning purple so I think if she went 10 weeks she's be completely purple and nothing but colas.... As for potency I use my Mom cuz shes a old school hippie with a tolerance like none other and I swear bomb ass strains barely do shit for her unless she smokes a lot but anytime I give her some Thunder Goo she's stoned off a few tokes, also the trichome production on this lady is incredible so hash makers will love her cuz the fan leaves just get covered along with the stems.....

IMO the Goo's in Cali will be the new elites

 

[swampdank]

don't you guys think the problem stems from a bottle neck of genetics. I would say about 90% of the strains people smoke these days came from the same kush, haze, and afghani genetics. Some are stronger than other, some have different effects but for the most part they are limited to the genetics from which the sprung. That being said I have smoked quite a bit of grass valley herb lately and for those who don't know grass valley herb is the shit. everyone raves about Humboldt but i have gotten better stuff on a consistent basis from grass valley not only that it is unique in its appearance, flavor, taste and high. I think this is because there are a shit load of old heads in that area and they have been trading and breeding with unique genetics ie. sativas from India, Laos, Africa, and south America. Not just haze, skunk, and kush. When i smoke grass valley herb I don't get stoned or high I go on a fucking trip lol. There are a lot more effects available to us in the cannabis genome we just need to broaden our genetic base. We need an influx of landrace genetics, we need people that have enough forethought and are patient enough to grow out those 15+ week flowering strains because those are the strains that have legs, that last 4 hours, and are characteristically different from the smoke we are all use to (not that its bad, but it can be better with greater variety)

Spot on brother. If you were to start back from scratch using some of the more isolated landraces. A new elite would pop up every month due to variety.

The funny thing is exposure has a lot to do with whether it is elite or not.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

don't you guys think the problem stems from a bottle neck of genetics. I would say about 90% of the strains people smoke these days came from the same kush, haze, and afghani genetics. Some are stronger than other, some have different effects but for the most part they are limited to the genetics from which the sprung. That being said I have smoked quite a bit of grass valley herb lately and for those who don't know grass valley herb is the shit. everyone raves about Humboldt but i have gotten better stuff on a consistent basis from grass valley not only that it is unique in its appearance, flavor, taste and high. I think this is because there are a shit load of old heads in that area and they have been trading and breeding with unique genetics ie. sativas from India, Laos, Africa, and south America. Not just haze, skunk, and kush. When i smoke grass valley herb I don't get stoned or high I go on a fucking trip lol. There are a lot more effects available to us in the cannabis genome we just need to broaden our genetic base. We need an influx of landrace genetics, we need people that have enough forethought and are patient enough to grow out those 15+ week flowering strains because those are the strains that have legs, that last 4 hours, and are characteristically different from the smoke we are all use to (not that its bad, but it can be better with greater variety)

Spot on brother. If you were to start back from scratch using some of the more isolated landraces. A new elite would pop up every month due to variety.

The funny thing is exposure has a lot to do with whether it is elite or not.

While I appreciate a lot of things said here, my take on it is slightly different.

First of all, some tokers might identify an 'elite' cut or strain with a plant that has a particular aroma or some other superior physical aspect, but most would go for the bomb plant that is stronger/more potent than the others, the 'one of a kind'.

After many voyages all over the world, and plenty of sampling, I've come to the conclusion that superior potent landraces grow where people and cultures have cultivated and selectively bred the plant over generations.

It's not a coincidence that we're constantly re-hashing the 'same old' Afghans, Nepalese, Mexican, Colombian etc genetics, that's where landraces have been traditionally bred into very potent drug type Cannabis over centuries and even millennia.

I know some of you dream of penetrating into the thick of the Amazonian jungle and discover a new elite plant that is totally different from everything else, with a mind-trip that goes beyond beyond, but chances - I believe - are that any such plant would be ditchweed with a THC potency between 1% and 5%, and probably more towards 1%. That's where wild growing, non-selectively bred Cannabis usually stays.

Any such strain would have to be selectively bred over a number of generations before it would even be worth smoking, and it still would not touch the more potent genetics out there.
See the genetic pool as a pyramid, where the top potency strains are at the top of the pyramid, and the whole canna community is focusing on that top, often complaining about how uniform and boring it is.

The definition of 'elite' is the cream on the top, a select few. If there are too many, the notion of elite disappears, so naturally there's only some and such, and you soon had them all.

Still, it is much more likely that new 'over the top' genetics will come from a cross between top of the pyramid plants, rather than some obscure plant from a remote corner of the world. The Chemdog and the Schroom are good examples of that.

It doesn't mean I'm against variety. Bring'em in from all over the world. Still, I take a look at the hundreds of genetics that are now available in seedbanks over the internet, and it's far from the same old skunky strains. You can get landrace strains from all over the world. If I make a trip to Amsterdam - a four and a half hour drive well worth it - I can get anything from Nepalese temple balls to Thai sticks to Rif hash. I just don't experience the boredom of the same old elite strains, perhaps I'm getting old. If I really want to get zapped, I won't pay a fortune for some hyped up bud, or go out of the way to get a hold of the hottest plant around. I'll just make some quality hash or oil out of what I've got, it will always be more potent and hard-hitting than the most outstanding elite.

So, concerning the elite debate, you don't have to be a master breeder in order to go get it right. The Chemdog/Diesel/OG Kush family was an accident. The Haze brothers simply crossed everything they had going, apparently in a haphazard way, and created a strain that many consider unprecedented so far. Luck can get you far in life...

 

[lokes]

I like your take on it Rosey, very well said and it makes since. We're all just to damn spoiled. LOL

 

[teddybud]

well said indeed rosy!

 

[Guest]

Evan the lonely small grower can find a elite .it takes growing out the beans but it can get as addicting as playing the lottery . i still have this very pine smelling strain from some Mexican seeds back in the 90s.very wispy buds.big glans of resin .sticky plant . we would take whiff hits from the plastic freezer bag it was in and get head rushes like no other .it would give me a head ace and a burnt feeling after 6 hrs from one joint . strait adrenaline
it was like some call methamphetamine. i some times taking a seed out every now and then and growing it out i trapped the genetics with a ak47 plant from 2001. the ak47 had many cherry phenos i think i had 3 cherry phenos in one pack.

 

[REZDOG]

The "newest,bestest" in "elite" moms?
SuperSilverSourDieselHaze is pushing Cheese out of EU grow rooms,it's grown from the U.K. to Spain to Amsterdam,and I think the states might have got a copy.
(There's also DLB's "Shire" SSSDH cut,in the states,and I hear it's equitable to OJD's European selection of SSSDH that's getting raves and just beat an OG kush in a Spanish canna-comp.
I expect selections from the SFVOGK/Chemdog and SSH/Chemdog to yield similar exceptional,world-class selections,as well as the Killer Queen/Chemdog and C99/Chemdog releases.
I expect the upcoming Chemdog BX to be the best yet,and yield authentic Chemdog buds,a-plenty. If that's "elite",then there ya go.
Actually,imVho this whole Chemdog release of Reservoirs is seriously on a roll,and I'm not saying that to sell seeds-I don't have to.
I'm looking forward to germinating as many of these as I can find room for,in as soon a period as possible-I'm excited about these,big time!


Cheers!

 

[DocLeaf]

Yo Rez,, keep up the good work dude , ya lines always find happy homes over here,, the Strawberry Cheesel (Cheese x Strawberry Diesel) drops bars,, darker than dark

The Cheese is back again bro,,, this time in Hazeseeker's 'Cheese x NL#5xHaze' freebies. This line temps to be one of 'THE' funkiest new strains being grown in 2009 ... i n i got my eyes on this one till next year after

There's also a few new lines based on the Exodus/Leviticus Collective's other clone,, 'Psychosis' ,,, it grows in the Shires. Judging from the interest shown by commercial breeders in this one,, the offspring floating about might yet make some waves in ebb n flow tanks across the globe

Not sure if any of the above are "elite",, but I's sure know they blow some nice smoke

Peace, Love, n Flowers

 

[BENJI]

Well in my country we have no elite cut's well none that i can think of im hoping to get some cheese cut's in the near future the only elite strains or cuts here down under that i know of is my jack herer cutting and my chemdd(i consider that an elite) i would like to get my hands on some elite cuttings like cheese, any of the kushes, SSSDH, FFA, or any of the chems/diesel cutting's..

Rez love your work keep it up bro..

My next elite will be found amongst my bean collection...

 

[BeAn]

Who cares what the new elite is, we need seed lines.....when the shit hits the fan, try keeping cuts alive...