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LA Times Article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pottax24-2009feb24,0,7534269.story

Taxing pot could become a political toking point

An Assemblyman from San Francisco argues that it's time to tax and regulate the state's biggest cash crop in the same manner as alcohol. Opponents say it would create new costs for society.
By Eric Bailey February 24, 2009

Reporting from Sacramento -- Could Cannabis sativa be a salvation for California's fiscal misfortunes? Can the state get a better budget grip by taxing what some folks toke?

An assemblyman from San Francisco announced legislation Monday to do just that: make California the first state in the nation to tax and regulate recreational marijuana in the same manner as alcohol.

Buoyed by the widely held belief that cannabis is California's biggest cash crop, Assemblyman Tom Ammiano contends it is time to reap some state revenue from that harvest while putting a damper on drug use by teens, cutting police costs and even helping Mother Nature.

"I know the jokes are going to be coming, but this is not a frivolous issue," said Ammiano, a Democrat elected in November after more than a dozen years as a San Francisco supervisor. "California always takes the lead -- on gay marriage, the sanctuary movement, medical marijuana."

Anti-drug groups are anything but amused by the idea of California collecting a windfall from the leafy herb that remains illegal under federal law.


"This would open another door in Pandora's box," said Calvina Fay, executive director of Save Our Society From Drugs. "Legalizing drugs like this would create a whole new set of costs for society."

Ammiano's measure, AB 390, would essentially replicate the regulatory structure used for beer, wine and hard liquor, with taxed sales barred to anyone under 21.

He said it would actually boost public safety, keeping law enforcement focused on more serious crimes while keeping marijuana away from teenagers who can readily purchase black-market pot from peers.

The natural world would benefit, too, from the uprooting of environmentally destructive backcountry pot plantations that denude fragile ecosystems, Ammiano said.

But the biggest boon might be to the bottom line. By some estimates, California's pot crop is a $14-billion industry, putting it above vegetables ($5.7 billion) and grapes ($2.6 billion). If so, that could mean upward of $1 billion in tax revenue for the state each year.

"Having just closed a $42-billion budget deficit, generating new revenue is crucial to the state's long-term fiscal health," said Betty Yee, the state Board of Equalization chairwoman who appeared with Ammiano at a San Francisco news conference.

Also in support of opening debate on the issue are San Francisco Sheriff Mike Hennessey and retired Orange County Superior Court Judge James Gray, a longtime legalization proponent.

"I'm a martini guy myself," Ammiano said. "But I think it's time for California to . . . look at this in a truly deliberative fashion."

He sees the possibility of an eventual truce in the marijuana wars with Barack Obama now in the White House.

A White House spokesman declined to discuss Ammiano's legislation, instead pointing to a transition website that says the president "is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."

Several cities in California and around the nation have adopted laws making marijuana the lowest law enforcement priority, including Santa Barbara, Santa Monica, Denver and Seattle.

Oakland went even further in 2004, requiring pot to be taxed if it is legalized.

But where Ammiano sees taxes, pot foes see trouble.

They say easier access means more problems with drug dependency among adults, heavier teen use and an increase in driving while high.

"If we think the drug cartels are going to tuck their tails between their legs and go home, I think we're badly mistaken," Fay said.

"They're going to heavily target our children."

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The drug cartels are going to target their marijuana at children?

I mean, when have you ever been given a sparked blunt to get you "hooked"? The most aggressive street slingers i've seen just advertise, they don't push it on you or give samples, know what i mean?

You're either offered it by a friend or you decide to go out looking for it...

Then again, this would eliminate cartels, as it is pretty obvious it is aimed at distributing in-state marijuana, which i assume would have to be reported while it's being grown to avoid mix-ups with revenuers, and if so, the organization soliciting the permit can be investigated before-hand.

the only problem i see is the gray area of the homegrower... would we need to pay up? would we be granted amnesty? would we be able to get an "independent producer" license and set up shop???? seriously, THIS is where this legislation could get REALLY interesting...
 

facelift

This is the money you could be saving if you grow
Veteran
According to the President, the economy runs on loans. Pot would just be another thing people can buy with the loans. We know marijuana is an entire industry already. My concern is for example that "Oaksterdam University" is going to set up shop in neighboring states shutting out people like me. So while the few make money, the rest of us spend it.
 

funkervogt

donut engineer
Veteran
the only problem i see is the gray area of the homegrower... would we need to pay up? would we be granted amnesty? would we be able to get an "independent producer" license and set up shop???? seriously, THIS is where this legislation could get REALLY interesting...

I would gladly pay taxes as an independent grower (IF I sold the stuff). I think you could potentially see small, niche growers cropping up. Not unlike microbrews.
 
I would gladly pay taxes as an independent grower (IF I sold the stuff). I think you could potentially see small, niche growers cropping up. Not unlike microbrews.

exactly...

It'd probly also give rise to blends, as it'd be a much easier way to distinguish your product than breeding(and i'm assuming product would be top notch because of the stiff competition).

Imagine, branded pot flavors!
 

funkervogt

donut engineer
Veteran
exactly...

It'd probly also give rise to blends, as it'd be a much easier way to distinguish your product than breeding(and i'm assuming product would be top notch because of the stiff competition).

Imagine, branded pot flavors!

Or patented crosses.
 

Budweiser13

Active member
The governator has already stated he will not pass it. And why would any true stoner want to see the the sacred herb in the hands of are F.U.C.K.E.D up state or federal government.:fsu:
 

Koroz

Member
The governator has already stated he will not pass it. And why would any true stoner want to see the the sacred herb in the hands of are F.U.C.K.E.D up state or federal government.:fsu:

why would any smoker not want to be legal while smoking?

Yea FIGHT THE POWER!! From jail!

no thanks, time to end the 20 million arrests since it has been illegal. This way of thinking is so backward I can't even comprehend it. You WANT to keep it illegal so that you can "fight the man"?

no thanks.
 

medmaker420

The Aardvarks LED Grow Show
Veteran
If Arnold won't pass it then odds are we will end up with a democratic governor who will real soon. He would be stupid to go against so many who want it passed.

Who cares, he should go back to acting anyways.
 

Strainbrain

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
Veteran
exactly...

...i'm assuming product would be top notch because of the stiff competition).

Imagine, branded pot flavors!


Not to mention... quality suffers when compromises must be made to favor security. Security rules over all other considerations, so that's how it has to be for many of us.

Legalize the grows and nobody has any reason to cut corners anymore. There would be some amazing craft-grown stuff flying around - and we'd all be able to share it. :joint:

-s
 

medmaker420

The Aardvarks LED Grow Show
Veteran
There would be some amazing craft-grown stuff flying around - and we'd all be able to share it. :joint:

-s

Another thing as well, if people would stop seeing damn dollar signs with this possibility and just grow and give away we wouldn't even have to deal with any tax issues.

I will and have given herb away and if 100% legal I would do it on a larger scale especially if it would be legal to do.

Nothing beats some seeds, some land and the sun. No cost to think of and just give the shit away. Make the value drop out of it. Many even here don't want that either because it will kill their $$$$$$$ I personally don't care if people make money with it or not BUT I will do what I can to get it to the free status where I am at so money doesn't need to exchange hands at all.

Its a damn plant, it should be free for all to enjoy anyways and not pay hundreds of dollars for a zip.

Greed will get plenty into growing and possibly that greed might land some in jail since they odds are will try and pull the, its a personal grow - so why did you sell it illegally without a license..... Either go fully legit with it or grow for personal or giveaway status.

just my opinion at least.
 

ADDlCTlON

New member
"They're going to heavily target our children."

lol, kids dont have any money, but seriously , if it where legalized an taxed adults would feel more safe and opened minded about pot, i actually think it would seem uncool to most kids if there parents or grandparents where smoking, thus reducing its popularity among teens/kids :dueling:, i would gladly pay taxes on pot :joint:
 

Kinderfeld

Member
They say easier access means more problems with drug dependency among adults, heavier teen use and an increase in driving while high.......

Oh you mean like legal prescriptions are abused and sustain drug dependency? And driving while high kind of like driving while drunk which is...legal?

"They're going to heavily target our children."

Oh you mean how it was up until the early 90s with tobacco commercials and how it is still there today with alcohol commercials?

Yea. I see exactly what their saying...lmfao.

And marijuana is still illegal because the government care$ about our physical and mental health ....right?....:rolleyes:
 

Strainbrain

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
Veteran
I will and have given herb away and if 100% legal I would do it on a larger scale especially if it would be legal to do.

Nothing beats some seeds, some land and the sun. No cost to think of and just give the shit away. Make the value drop out of it.


I don't want to give the impression that I think this is a bad plan... but if tax revenue is the necessary carrot on a stick that government needs to legalize our little herb... then so be it. I'll gladly pay that tax.

One step at a time, leveraging whatever we can the whole way. Eventually, shit gets done like that.

-s
 
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