Best strains for breading in tastes and smells

[Uncle FREEDOM]

Hey guys, i have quite a few varieties of weed in the shop, and was thinking of starting some breading, for taste/smell.

What i am looking for is strains to add flavors to already good weed.

Any suggestions out there of what plant you would cross with for flavor? Yield is not a big concern, i just would like to have a bunch of cool different flavors.

thanks

 

[Dr. Smokepuma]

worlock....black widow

 

[englishrick]

FIND YOURSELF A BODY first!...,,,lets say WHITE WIDOW for example "bland in taste but displays all the other fine atributes of A+ weed"...its covered in trics + high yealds and pretty resistant to all the bullshit the world can bring...being an IBL makes it pretty stable for breeding too ,,,crossing WW to another IBL like SK1 would make you a "True" F1...

once you have your body select your TASTE INJECTION....A11 for example, not a IBL but its pretty close!!,,,,,,,cross the two and depending on dom traits you will have what you want!,,,,making F2`s from your cross might be better for finding "Real Keepers"!!

RESPECT!!

 

[bgb]

TH SEEDS..BUBBLEGUM..YUM YUM..

 

[englishrick]

#### DOM TRAITS WILL FUCK WITH YOUR HEAD####

the widow`s lime smell might get increesed!..... and recomo`s with genes will get you confused,,,,but keep at it bro!!

adding an old Afghan to increese the smell is interesting!!...

 

[socioecologist]

The real white widow (Mr. Nice Black Widow) is a true F1--definitely not an IBL. It's great for passing on resin and decent for yield, but that's about the extent.

 

[BENJI]

What about sensistar from paradise seeds ive read and been told getting a stellar male sensistar and crossing it with most females u pretty much cant go wrong in all compartments smell, resin and taste...

 

[marijuanamat]

Paradise seeds Sensi star is a great plant to breed with,i've grown a fair few packs out and i found them to be very stable so i'd class it as a IBL,some will disagree with me but that's life.
2 problem's the variety does have are its lack of vigour,slowest vegging plant i've ever come across and they have a tendency to throw out bananas late in bloom.
There's 2 phenotypes i've come across 1 has a dank lemon/honey aroma with thinner hybrid type leafs with ok calyx to leaf ratio and the other has fatter indica leafs with a rancid burnt lemon latex condom aroma with a slight metallic tang and is very leafy but in a good way as all the leafs surrounding the bud are covered in trichomes and makes wicked bubble hash.
I personally prefer the leafier phenotype which is what i use in some of my hybrids,i've also got a matching male which i've only used once in the 5 years i've had him because of all the new genetics i've been collecting and testing over the years.

 

[1000ARMSofKALI]

blueberry, cindy99...

 

[englishrick]

"black widow is not an IBL",,,,,NOT TRUE!!.......its 100% IBL

 

[Guest]

Taste and smell, go with a thai sativa. If you want something easier and already worked more Kali Mist tastes and smells fantastic.

Smell and taste is personal preference, so it's what "you" like. Me??? I like the tropical sativas for taste and smell, but there are some nice indicas and hybrids with their dank cat pee smell that is pleasantly pungent in the same.

All about the current mood/state at the moment. Good luck searching

 

[bigbag]

Sweet Pink Grapefruit Indica

 

[Beeka]

Ripe Tropical Fruit Pineapple 99XSuprSkunk.

 

[cocktail frank]

ive used rez's strawberry d in a few crosses. (1st release)
it makes some of the berriest, sweetest tasting and smelling strain i ever had.
i would assume any fruity strain will help.

 

[medmaker420]

Federation Romulan

great for breeding and the couple phenos available have amazing smells and tastes. Not to mention Feds Romulan is strong strong herb. That mixed with another solid one like mentioned above with the white widow would be a great cross.

Federation Romulan x White Widow or White Rhino would be pretty decent for sure.

 

[blynx]

Is the male or female more responsible for bringing aroma to a cross? or is it equal?

Is there more or less work going one way or the other?

For example;

Keeper female with no aroma x male pollen from stinky male strain
vs
Aromatic female x pollen from a no aroma male of your keeper strain

 

[Guest]

I believe it is based on which sex holds the more dominant traits in the cross. This can be determined by a large population sample to select from, and backcrossing??? Pro's feel free to tear that statement apart. I am learning also.

In theory, only one backcross is sufficient when a large population is available to backcross and you are working with stabilized properly worked gear?????

Where is Sam, Wally, Chimera, ect when you need them! lol

 

[Guest]

This was posted by Octavian on another thread here at IC.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38851&page=1&pp=15

Chimera
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Registered: Jan 2001
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Hi Beast

you’ve just discovered the biggest myth (IMNSHO) of marijuana breeding- it is a mistake that almost EVERYONE makes (including many of the most respected breeders!).

Backcrossing will not stabilize a strain at all- it is a technique that SHOULD be used to reinforce or stabilize a particular trait, but not all of them.

For e.g.- G13 is a clone, which I would bet my life on is not true breeding for every, or even most traits- this means that it is heterozygous for these traits- it has two alleles (different versions of a gene). No matter how many times you backcross to it, it will always donate either of the two alleles to the offspring. This problem can be compounded by the fact that the original male used in the cross (in this case hashplant) may have donated a third allele to the pool- kinda makes things even more difficult!

So what does backcrossing do?
It creates a population that has a great deal of the same genes as the mother clone. From this population, if enough plants are grown, individuals can be chosen that have all the same traits as the mother, for use in creating offspring that are similar (the same maybe) as the original clone.
Another problem that can arise is this- there are three possibilities for the expression of a monogenic (controlled by one gene pair) trait.

We have dominant, recessive, and co-dominant conditions.

In the dominant condition, genotypically AA or Aa, the plants of these genotypes will look the same (will have the same phenotype, for that trait).

Recessive- aa will have a phenotype

Co-dominant- Aa- these plants will look different from the AA and the aa.

A perfect example of this is the AB blood types in humans:

Type A blood is either AA or AO
Type B blood is either BB or BO
Type AB blood is ONLY AB
Type O blood is OO.

In this case there are three alleles (notated A, B, and O respectively).

If the clone has a trait controlled by a co-dominant relationship- i.e. the clone is Aa (AB in the blood example) we will never have ALL plants showing the trait- here is why:

Suppose the clone mother is Aa- the simplest possibility is that the dad used contributes one of his alleles,
let us say A. That mean the boy being use for the first backcross is either AA or Aa. We therefore have two possibilities:

1) If he is AA- we have AA X Aa- 50% of the offspring are AA, 50% are Aa. (you can do the punnett square to prove this to yourself).

In this case only 50% of the offspring show the desired phenotype (Aa genotype)!

2) If the boy being used is Aa- we have Aa X Aa (again do the punnett square) this gives a typical F2 type segregation- 25% AA, 50% Aa, and 25% aa.
This shows that a co-dominant trait can ONLY have 50% of the offspring showing the desired trait (Aa genotype) in a backcross.

If the phenotype is controlled by a dominant condition- see example #1- all 100% show the desired phenotype, but only 50% will breed true for it.

If the phenotype is controlled by a recessive condition- see example #2- only 25% will show the desired phenotype, however if used for breeding these will all breed true if mated to another aa individual.

Now- if the original dad (hashplant) donates an 'a' allele, we only have the possibilities that the offspring, from which the backcross boy will be chosen, will be either Aa or aa.
For the Aa boy, see #2.
For the aa boy (an example of a test cross, aa X Aa) we will have:
50% aa offspring (desired phenotype), and 50% Aa offspring.

Do you see what is happening here? Using this method of crossing to an Aa clone mother, we can NEVER have ALL the offspring showing the desired phenotype! Never! Never ever ever! Never!! LOL

The ONLY WAY to have all the offspring show a Aa phenotype is to cross an AA individual with an aa individual- all of the offspring from this union will be the desired phenotype, with an Aa genotype.

Now, all of that was for a Aa genotype for the desired phenotype. It isn't this complicated if the trait is AA or aa. I hope this causes every one to re-evaluate the importance of multiple backcrosses- it just doesn't work to stabilize the trait!

Also- that was all for a monogenic trait! What if the trait is controlled by a polygenic interaction or an epistatic interaction- it gets EVEN MORE complicated? AARRGH!!!!

Really, there is no need to do more than 1 backcross. From this one single backcross, as long as we know what we are doing, and grow out enough plants to find the right genotypes, we can succeed at the goal of eventually stabilizing most, if not all of the desired traits.

The confusion arises because we don't think about the underlying biological causes of these situations- to really understand this; we all need to understand meiosis.

We think of math-e.g. 50% G13, 50% hashplant

Next generation 50% G13 x 50% g13hp or (25% G13, 25%HP)

We interpret this as an additive property:
50% G13 + 25% G13 +25% HP = 75% G13 and 25% hashplant

This is unfortunately completely false- the same theory will apply for the so called 87.%% G13 12.5% HP next generation, and the following 93.25% G13, 6.25% HP generation; we'd like it to be true as it would make stabilizing traits fairly simple, but it JUST DOESN'T work that way. The above is based on a mathematical model, which seems to make sense- but it doesn't- we ignore the biological foundation that is really at play.

I hope this was clear, I know it can get confusing, and I may not have explained it well enough- sorry if that is the case, I'll try to clear up any questions or mistakes I may have made.

Have fun everyone while making your truebreeding varieties, but just remember that cubing (successive backcrosses) is not the way to do it!
-Chimera

This was taken from a good breeding thread started by Johnny Chimpo. http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61014&highlight=chimera+cubing

Although Chimera's text it mostly is talking about cubing, the information was very useful because it explains how the dominant and recessive traits actually work.

The rest of the thread is quite informative also.

 

[swampdank]

Ya, it's definitely getting into the more complicated aspects. But remember, alot of the 'elite' strains were accidental crosses. Never know where that gem is hiding. But if I were you, I would get into the DJ gear. I have alot of the original seeds, but the crosses that I am growing out that friends here have made, have a very nice flavor. Even more desirable than the original. IDK why, maybe personal preference, but some just have a fantastic 'blue' flavor that I havent found in the originals. I am sure they are there, but making your own crosses is way cheaper than buying thousands of seeds.

 

[Farang]

DJ short, in his article "A case study on how to go about breeding By DJ Short" writes the following on aroma and flavour:

"It has been my observation that in a successful cross, the (usually female) sativa contributes the type of aroma and flavour, while the (usually male) indica contributes the amount of aroma and flavour to the prodigy.
So far this observation has proven fruitful."

(~DJ Short~)"

Here is al link to the article thread:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=15218

Hope this helps.

/Farang