Perfect Size Room for A 600 Watt Digital Lumatek

[medmaker420]

I am wanting to build the perfect sized room/cabinet for a 600 watt grow. Wanted to get some suggestions, thoughts or proven sizes from those who have already been there and done that.

I was thinking a 4x4 would be fine but I have heard mixed opinions on it.

The height should not be a factor because it will be built in a garage with a decent ceiling to it.

I am just looking for the most productive "footprint" possible and just build to exact specs and duplicate what others have done. NO recreating the wheel here my friends.

This room will not expand, go to larger sized lighting or anything. I want this to be the perfect 600 watt room, not more and nothing less.

I am going to custom build a carbon scrubber with the diy help around here, any suggestions on a QUIET fan for a 600 watt possible 4x4 grow room? Noise is an issue and is why I went with the digital ballast. I am also going to be building a duct muffler as well to further quiet things down as well.

 

[Bozo]

3x3 table for 600 is probably good but 4x4 doesnt give you much room to walkaround .Draw a 3x3 square on floor and then draw a 4x4 around it .I think you will find a 5x5 better for being able to get around in room once it is fulla plants

 

[Lilly456]

3 X 3 most certainly, more space would be a compromise.You'll have better buds, tighter and more stout. Best wishes, Chaco.

 

[medmaker420]

So then a
5x5 room with a 3x3 light footprint?

allow for walking around plants and moving stuff does make sense indeed. My thought was, cram what I could and deal with it as it came. For some reason I feel like I will overgrow anything I grow in.

If I could keep them manageable at a 3x3 then that might be perfect or at least a grow footprint in the 3x3 to 4x4 footprint for best results.

Almost tempted to do a double table since it would just be two 3x3's....

one that was brought up to me IF I chose a double setup was a 3x5.5 as a great dual 600 setup. That would be later, an addition or a section to cut and build into though.

I will work with the 3x3 light footprint for the 600 and really think about the walk around room. I suppose if I am building a large cabinet I won't worry about walk around room BUT if I am going to build up a small framed room, I might as well make it big enough FOR a room and some walking room.

 

[FreezerBoy]

I'd go closer to 3X4. Lamps throw no light forward or aft, only to the sides. Thus the footprint is not square. When I turned my lamp perpendicular to the length of the grow i was able to lower the lamp while increasing footprint at the same time. The illo is exaggerated but, makes the point.

 

[Neuronaut]

I'd go closer to 3X4. Lamps throw no light forward or aft, only to the sides. Thus the footprint is not square. When I turned my lamp perpendicular to the length of the grow i was able to lower the lamp while increasing footprint at the same time. The illo is exaggerated but, makes the point.

I totally agree... 3x4.

 

[Grinchy]

I have 2 600 lumateks over a 9x4.5 area. As said, reflectors project light farther in 2 directions than the other two. I really need 3 for my space, with 2 I think the prime would be 8x4.5 with one light I would say 4x3.5. This also depends on the reflector used.

 

[bongoie]

using the same ballast , in metric im 1.2 meter square roughly 4 foot . . like the sense freezed is talking tho . i have a home made drobe in the attic thats roughly 12 foot by 4 , this gives me room to have an oscilating fan and oil radiator , as its cold up there on these dark winter nights in ireland . also u want room around the grow for air circulation . hope this helps bongo . just lit a 600MH along with my 600HPS in that area . 5 weeks into flower .

 

[aldus_]

Going to be starting a grow with a 600w digital pretty soon as well.

My grow area is a stand up shower that is 32"x32" so I'm hoping for some good dense buds.

 

[B00st3d]

A 4 foot light rail which you can get for 110 bux would be perfect for one 600. My best lookin plants have come from using a light rail. However you will need at least a 6x3 space. I did 7x3 with one 600 and got an easy 19.5 ounces , you could get way more if you scrog or sog, at least 24 ounces. You put 8 plants under there and get 3 ounces per plant and there ya go. You wont need much room to walk around either cuz you can do two rows of plants and when you need access to one in the back row, you just pull the one in front of it out.The best part is you wont need to air cool the hood since the light is always movin and you dont get hot spots. You can also keep the bulb so much closer to the canopy this way. You mentioned noise is an issue and fans can be noisy especially when mounted onto something like a stud or ceiling. So this could make your room virtually silent. If weight isnt your objective then go ahead and do a 3x3 and keep it small, you can still pull close to a pound off that maybe a lil more.

 

[J. Greenstein]

If you are after a larger light footprint check out the "adjust-a-wing" reflector.

 

[medmaker420]

A 4 foot light rail which you can get for 110 bux would be perfect for one 600. My best lookin plants have come from using a light rail. However you will need at least a 6x3 space. I did 7x3 with one 600 and got an easy 19.5 ounces , you could get way more if you scrog or sog, at least 24 ounces. You put 8 plants under there and get 3 ounces per plant and there ya go. You wont need much room to walk around either cuz you can do two rows of plants and when you need access to one in the back row, you just pull the one in front of it out.The best part is you wont need to air cool the hood since the light is always movin and you dont get hot spots. You can also keep the bulb so much closer to the canopy this way. You mentioned noise is an issue and fans can be noisy especially when mounted onto something like a stud or ceiling. So this could make your room virtually silent. If weight isnt your objective then go ahead and do a 3x3 and keep it small, you can still pull close to a pound off that maybe a lil more.

Weight is important to me for sure lol. I would love to pull around 20 from this setup for sure. I will look more into the possibilities of a light mover. Great information and yes 8 plants at 3 zips per would make me smile for sure. I am hoping for a minimum 2 zips per plant under the 600.

A 7x3 and 19 zips isn't too shabby at all, its great actually... I want it

The heat issue and the mover does make perfect sense, no hot spots and keep things flowing.

Noise is as big of an issue as I let it, duct muffler, carbon scrubber, rubber mounts where they can be used to reduce vibration and a big lock on the door so people leave me the f.... alone

If you are after a larger light footprint check out the "adjust-a-wing" reflector.

I was looking into those versus a cool tube, my thinking, easier to vent, can adjust my light footprint as needed and there won't be glass between the light and the plants. I dig the open bulb setup personally and can toss an oscillating fan somewhere rigged to the wall or ceiling to keep it all flowing.

great info everyone and thank you for the help.

Once I get everything all rigged and ready I will start a grow thread on my super lemon haze and other strains that I will be running.

 

[bterzz]

Hey brotha...

My thoughts..

Pump it up to (2) 600w Lumatek in an 8x4 room Thats what I did and im loving the space I have to work with!

I noticed what you said about the noise being a problem. My room is connected to my neighbors garage wall. It really scared me at first but I got a carbon scrubber and its almost silent now. Almost. Cant hear it with the door closed.

 

[bongoie]

that light rail tip is a good 1 , got me thinking . personally i would love 2 lumantec 400 digital ballast , and would use mixed lighting MH+HPS . my airstone is the noisest bit of my kit , all my fans r hung on bungees . putting ur ear against a wall is a good way to mesure vibration , just like the ear against the glass for listening in on the room next door . thanks 2 all bongo E2A the spread from a clootube aint the best , using 1 of them also . if heats an issue i would go down the coolshade route , better spread /footprint ? hoping to help

 

[B00st3d]

Glad I got you thinkin now. Also keep in mind that my first run with the light rail was actually all plants that I regenerated and mothers. I was bout to take a break and didnt wanna just kill my mothers. So i flowered them instead. Previous to that I had just been using a 600 MH conversion on the rail for veggin. I could have gotten way way more then 19+ off that one 600 but didnt do any branch training or even spend much time messin with em. I just threw 8 plants inder the rail and paid little attention to them. I was burnt out on growin for the last 18 months straight previous to that and just wanted a break. Im prolly gonna start doin alot more light rail projects now since the results have been so good. I started my 1200 watt 2 light rail room a few months back cuz my main flowering room wasnt doin well in the winter weather. Its concrete floors and walls and literally sucks the humidity right outta the room. So my plants were lookin bad, I moved them to a bedroom and bought another rail. Right now its about 10x3 with 2 rails and I love it. I dont have to fool with ductwork, venting or any of that. Its so simple and the results speak for themself. I dont even use the glass on my hoods anymore which means way more of the UV light hits the plants and they look especially frosty this run. Some of them are as close as 6 inches from the bulb and show no sign of burn 6-7 weeks into flowering.Some are as far as a foot or so. My temps never get above 77 degrees except for some spring weather we just had recently for a few days and it spiked up to 82 in there which still isnt bad. You wont ever have to worry bout heat with a 6x3 setup rockin a 600 on a 4 foot rail, that I can almost garuntee. And I dont care what anyone tries to tell you, the light rail will produce a bigger yield hands down regardless of what technique, what strain, etc..Its a fact.

 

[medmaker420]

Glad I got you thinkin now. Also keep in mind that my first run with the light rail was actually all plants that I regenerated and mothers. I was bout to take a break and didnt wanna just kill my mothers. So i flowered them instead. Previous to that I had just been using a 600 MH conversion on the rail for veggin. I could have gotten way way more then 19+ off that one 600 but didnt do any branch training or even spend much time messin with em. I just threw 8 plants inder the rail and paid little attention to them. I was burnt out on growin for the last 18 months straight previous to that and just wanted a break. Im prolly gonna start doin alot more light rail projects now since the results have been so good. I started my 1200 watt 2 light rail room a few months back cuz my main flowering room wasnt doin well in the winter weather. Its concrete floors and walls and literally sucks the humidity right outta the room. So my plants were lookin bad, I moved them to a bedroom and bought another rail. Right now its about 10x3 with 2 rails and I love it. I dont have to fool with ductwork, venting or any of that. Its so simple and the results speak for themself. I dont even use the glass on my hoods anymore which means way more of the UV light hits the plants and they look especially frosty this run. Some of them are as close as 6 inches from the bulb and show no sign of burn 6-7 weeks into flowering.Some are as far as a foot or so. My temps never get above 77 degrees except for some spring weather we just had recently for a few days and it spiked up to 82 in there which still isnt bad. You wont ever have to worry bout heat with a 6x3 setup rockin a 600 on a 4 foot rail, that I can almost garuntee. And I dont care what anyone tries to tell you, the light rail will produce a bigger yield hands down regardless of what technique, what strain, etc..Its a fact.

Great thoughts for sure,

The cooltube is great as well, only issue I have is cleaning inside the glass. I always feel like I am losing light penetration when I didn't keep up on cleaning the tube itself. Now without the glass there I can see more penetration for sure. I get the point of one in a small cab OR if you have a large room with multi lights setup BUT for a single light in a decent room I can see it being more productive without the glass tube covering the glass.


I am sure the yields speak for themselves. If I can get .5 to .75 g per watt then I will be more than happy.

10 ounces at .5 grams per watt
16 ounces at .75 grams per watt
21.4 ounces at 1 gram per watt


If a light mover can get me OVER 1 gram per watt then that would be perfection. Odds are a light mover over more plants is the most productive method. I can't even imaging doing a 600 watt light moving scrog over 2 3x3 tables and what that might yield....

 

[B00st3d]

two 3x3 scrog tables with a 600 movin over them on a rail would be sick. I dont see why you cant get 25+ ounces off it. Of course you need the perfect cut to get that kinda yield. But if you have access to clones then youre good to go.

 

[roughnice420]

two 3x3 scrog tables with a 600 movin over them on a rail would be sick. I dont see why you cant get 25+ ounces off it. Of course you need the perfect cut to get that kinda yield. But if you have access to clones then youre good to go.

I really like how you think!

This is what I'm thinking of doing, lemme know your opinion...

A 6x3 with a 600 on a light rail just like you said...with a total of 18 plants, 1 per square foot in square 4 gallon buckets. Seems like it would be cake to get 1 oz per plant, and maybe even 2 if you really had it dialed and had the right cut?

Does anyone make a 6x3 grow tent that you can easily put a mover in?

ideas?

peace

 

[bterzz]

6x3 with 1 600w?

 

[roughnice420]

yeah on a light mover. that or a 1k in a 4x8 tent on a light mover.