DEA is still at it-- 5 Raids in LA today--

[medfinder]

I know for a fact that DEA agents have obtained and used MMJ recs from doctors, and have gone into clinics and purchased cannabis. I know this for a fact, it happened in Corona CA in 2007. I am sure it happens lots.
I don't know what my point is here, just throwing that out there. Unintended consequences I guess.

Thats because the dea can break the LAW legally...like the cop on the cell phone today who ran the red light..

Hey why dont collectives put blue die packs in the money an cannabis the dea takes..like they do at banks??

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Thats because the dea can break the LAW legally...like the cop on the cell phone today who ran the red light..

Hey why dont collectives put blue die packs in the money an cannabis the dea takes..like they do at banks??

Sounds crazy, but really, they are not breaking any laws when they do that. It's well within the law. Just something to keep in the back of your mind, especially if you are going to "patient meet-ups". Just a thought. Remember they are ignorant as all hell, and really have no idea which way is up, don't assume anything like they won't take a look at you. No one is safe.

 

[Hammerhead]

What about other states do you fell the same or are there programs any better????

OREGON MEDICAL MARIJUANA ACT (ORS 475.300-ORS 475.346)

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Good question. Answer, I have no idea! That's what it says under my avatar! LOL

Good question. Answer, I have no idea! That's what it says under my avatar! LOL

What about other states do you fell the same or are there programs any better????

OREGON MEDICAL MARIJUANA ACT (ORS 475.300-ORS 475.346)

I really just don't even know enough about Oregon, or any of the other states to really voice an educated opinion.
I would however point out that nearly all of the MMJ states owe the existence of their laws to the "initiative referendum" process. I think NM, and 1 other actually had their laws done through "legislative referendum". I have an issue (MMJ aside) with the idea that the general public, somehow should be doing what we elect legislators/(assemblymen, whatever the fuck you may have) to do, as well as the integrity of the process. It's democratic, I'll give you that, but we live in a representative republic, not a democracy. Kind of goes back to the states rights, blah blah, the states are all little science labs and on and on. Most of the folks I know, are not educated enough to actually sit down, think through, and write serious, RESPONSIBLE, legislation. Prop 215 case in point. I would be a little hesitant to say that because of this, most all MMJ laws are poorly concieved, but that is part of the problem in my opinion.
That point aside, my only other comment, would be that again, I do not believe in or would not be supportive of any legislation that discriminates against "some" people that use cannabis, but allows "some" folks to use it. Whether you use it medically or not, it's still cannabis folks. Medical use and recreational use do not have to be mutually exclusive. If some folks ONLY use it medically fine, DON'T FUCKING TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW THEY CAN OR CAN'T USE IT, THAT'S THE SAME EXACT THING THAT MMJ ADVOCATES ARE FIGHTING!!!!!
It's hypocritical or extremely narrow minded at the very best. (Those actions are, please, I am not saying that the people that feel that way are, just the way those actions look to me) I just feel if I support MMJ laws, then I am no better than the folks that all the supposed "MMJ patients, and advocates" are fighting against. And in my mind, it automatically puts MMJ in a politically weak position. Just my opinion though.
Guess I am old fashioned.
Or just fucking crazy.
Or both.
So in principle I do not agree with ANY MMJ laws, because of what I previously stated, specifically the actual legislation for Oregon, I dunno, that piece may be fantastic and well thought out and written, (except for the part where they only focused on MMJ.) I haven't read it. I will sometime now though.

What do you think of the Oregon laws? Love to hear more about them just for the sake of discussion, at least how they relate to our laws here.

 

[Hammerhead]

The Oregon Medical Marijuana Program is a State registry program within the Public Health Division, Oregon Department of Human Services. Our role is to administer the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act as approved by the voters of the State in November 1998. The program actively pursues administrative streamlining processes in an effort to better serve our patients while maintaining the highest level of confidentiality. Multiple states have requested information on Oregon's program to use as a model for their own medical marijuana initiatives and registration systems

1) To allow Oregonians with debilitating medical conditions who may benefit from the medical use of marijuana to receive the benefit of their doctor's professional advice regarding the possible risks and benefits of medical marijuana;

(2) To allow Oregonians suffering from debilitating medical conditions to use small amounts of marijuana without fear of civil or criminal penalties when their doctors advise that such use may provide a medical benefit to them; and

(3) To make only those changes to existing Oregon laws that are necessary to protect patients and their doctors from criminal and civil penalties, and are not intended to change current civil and criminal laws governing the use of marijuana for non-medical purposes.

 

[Hammerhead]

311 APPLICATION FORM
Registration for the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program
INSTRUCTIONS: Please complete all required information to comply with the registration requirements of the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act. Attach legible copies of ID and enclose your payment. If applicant is a minor (under 18), the custodial parent or legal guardian with responsibility for health care decisions must be listed as the Primary Caregiver. PLEASE TYPE OR PRINT LEGIBLY.
APPLICANT INFORMATION (REQUIRED)
NAME (LAST, FIRST, M.I.):
�� Male
�� Female
DATE OF BIRTH:
MAILING ADDRESS:
PHONE #:
CITY: OREGON ZIP CODE:
COUNTY:
Photo Identification: A photocopy of one of the following must be attached. Please check appropriate box:
A
[ ] Oregon Drivers License [ ] Oregon Identification Card [ ] Voter Registration Card, plus current photo
PRIMARY CAREGIVER (IF APPLICABLE)
NAME (LAST, FIRST, M.I.):
�� Male
�� Female
DATE OF BIRTH:
MAILING ADDRESS:
PHONE #:
CITY: OREGON ZIP CODE:
COUNTY:
Photo Identification: A photocopy of one of the following must be attached. Please check appropriate box:
B
[ ] Oregon Drivers License [ ] Oregon Identification Card [ ] Voter Registration Card, plus current photo
PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR GROW SITE (REQUIRED)
PLEASE COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING:
NAME (LAST, FIRST, M.I.):
�� Male
�� Female
DATE OF BIRTH:
MAILING ADDRESS:
PHONE #:
CITY: OREGON ZIP CODE:
COUNTY:
Photo Identification: A photocopy of one of the following must be attached. Please check appropriate box:
[ ] Oregon Drivers License [ ] Oregon Identification Card [ ] Voter Registration Card, plus current photo
MARIJUANA GROW SITE ADDRESS (REQUIRED)
PHYSICAL ADDRESS:
CITY: OREGON ZIP CODE:
C
COUNTY:
REGISTRATION FEE (REQUIRED)
D
The registration fee is $100 or $20 if you can provide proof of OHP or SSI eligibility or Food Stamp eligibility. Please see back of page for details.
Enclose your check or money order made payable to “OMMP”. We do not accept Credit or Debit Cards.
SIGNATURE & DATE (REQUIRED)
I TESTIFY THAT THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS TRUE.
E
APPLICANT OR PROXY SIGNATURE:
DATE:
FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
CHC
SEE BACK OF PAGE FOR MORE DETAILS App 01/08
OMMP APPLICATION FEE
For every application, the fee is $100.00 OR $20.00 if you can provide proof of Oregon Health Plan (OHP) eligibility, proof of receipt of Supplemental Security Income (SSI) monthly benefits or Food Stamp benefits.
OHP: “Oregon Health Plan” means the medical assistance program administered by the Department under ORS chapter 414. Eligibility in the Oregon Health Plan is demonstrated by providing a current, valid eligibility determination statement from the Department’s Office of Medical Assistance Programs. To qualify for a reduced fee, a copy of the patient’s current eligibility statement must be provided at the time the patient submits an application.
SSI: “Supplemental Security Income” means the monthly benefit assistance program administered by the federal government for persons who are age 65 or older, or blind, or disabled and who have limited income and financial resources. Eligibility for Supplemental Security Income is demonstrated by providing a copy of a receipt of a current monthly benefit. To qualify for a reduced fee, a copy of a receipt of a current Supplemental Security Income monthly benefit must be provided at the time the patient submits an application.
Food Stamps: means the monthly benefit assistance program administered by the federal government for person who has limited income and financial resources. To qualify for the reduced fee, a copy of a current Food Stamp benefit identification card must be provided at the time the patient submits an application. The Department may verify the patient's current Food Stamp benefits through the Department or the Department of Human Service's Children and Family Services Department.
CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK
Under ORS 475.304(6)(a), the Department shall conduct a criminal records check under ORS 181.534 of any person whose name is submitted as a person responsible for a marijuana grow site. On or after January 1, 2006, a person who commits and is convicted of a Class A or Class B felony under ORS 475.840 to 475.920 for the manufacture or delivery of a controlled substance in Schedule I or Schedule II, may not be issued a marijuana grow site registration card or produce marijuana for a registry identification cardholder for 5 years from the date of conviction. A person with more than one such conviction is not eligible to be a grower.
MAIL APPLICATION FORM TO: DHS/OMMP PO BOX 14450
Portland, OR 97293-0450
Until this application has been approved or denied by the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program, a copy of these materials (along with proof of mailing or transmission) shall have the same legal effect as a registration card. ORS 475.309(9)
The Oregon Medical Marijuana Act neither protects marijuana plants from seizure nor individuals from prosecution if the federal government chooses to take action against patients or caregivers under the federal Controlled Substances Act.
If this document is needed in an alternative format, please contact this office: (971) 673-1234 App 01/08

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

From what you posted there ^^
I would have serious concerns about "Registering" with the state period. No, big brother does not need to know that I specifically use cannabis for any reason period. I don't care what they "say" now, no sir not me. I don't go and make it a point to tell them that I also drink coffee, smoke tobacco, etc...
Here, counties, (some) issue id cards. I have yet to understand why anyone would really do this as it is NOT required by law and is voluntary. It's a promise to be nice basically by the state, but fuck that.
I am probably already on enough lists as it is, I don't need to go volunteer to be on an offical government registry of cannabis users. LOL

As far as the literal laws in Oregon, I don't know, but obviously, from what you have read from me anyway, I am not really compelled in any sort of way to jump up and say, "ya right on". It's the entire principle I disagree with. But hey, at least they were original it sounds like. What do you think of the laws there?
Is it the law that you have to register, and give your name and address info to the government? What is the law there, if I would have known you were gonna repost I would have just asked you for a link or something eh! But if you are in the mood, and have it handy, since I am kind of a lazy fuck, if you wanna post the Oregon law then that would be fun to read. I know I said earlier that I would read it, but I meant like sometime not right now, but like I said if you are in the posty mood, by all means sir or mam.

 

[Hammerhead]

Yes it is law you can not get your card without giving them the info they require. I have lived here a long time and never here about MJ raids. I live in a small town pop of 2500

http://licenseinfo.oregon.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=license_seng&link_item_id=14549
http://ornorml.org/or-laws.php

 

[medfinder]

5 more sandiego mmj delivery service takedowns

5 more sandiego mmj delivery service takedowns

Sounds crazy, but really, they are not breaking any laws when they do that. It's well within the law. Just something to keep in the back of your mind, especially if you are going to "patient meet-ups". Just a thought. Remember they are ignorant as all hell, and really have no idea which way is up, don't assume anything like they won't take a look at you. No one is safe.

No one is safe..

law enforcement can break laws to enforce laws..like the 5 medical marijuana delivery services yesterday in sandiego...yes 5 delivery services!!

the cops had the mmj delivered to navy housing..i.e. goverment property..then after arresting any and all involved set bail at 63.000 dollars..a person

?? can a law enforcement officer brake any an all laws any time without doing time?? hmmm..??

 

[Greyskull]

hey medfinder hit me up with a link (or post it here please) i have some friends i haven't talked to for a few days and I am curous....

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

No one is safe..

law enforcement can break laws to enforce laws..like the 5 medical marijuana delivery services yesterday in sandiego...yes 5 delivery services!!


the cops had the mmj delivered to navy housing..i.e. goverment property..then after arresting any and all involved set bail at 63.000 dollars..a person

?? can a law enforcement officer brake any an all laws any time without doing time?? hmmm..??

what laws did they brake????

 

[medfinder]

Iam not sayin cops break any laws...do they?

iam sayin if they run a red light..use a cell phone while drivin can any one cite the cop an do a report?? will the cop get in trouble??


anyway heres the post about sandiego...greyskull..

Directly from ASA

The San Diego Police, Sheriffs, and other "multi-task" forces have been setting up and busting local mobile dispensaries this whole week.

At least 5 confirmed - probably more, local mobile dispensaries have provided medicine to undercover police posing as patients, with recommendations.

Some of the bail money amounts have been as high as $63,000.

After more investigation and release on bail of some of the local mobile dispensaries, it seems that all the cases are linked to a local patient "Jessica".

The few people I have confirmed (at least 3) were all entrapped by a long-haired guy named Jaime Conlon (the undercover cop) and meet the people at a house in Navy housing on Pico St in the Pt. Loma area.

They (cops) say the whole set up is caught on tape. Therefore, hopefully the victims (these local mobile dispensaries) will be able to defend themselves in court.


its on the asa wbsite check it out...

 

[SweetNightmare]

The cell phone law doesn't apply to cops or bus drivers for some reason... the people you think who would need the be the most focused... Cops are a bunch of bullshit IMO all I see are people driving on their phones swerving in lanes not paying attention or driving 80 in a 35 when its only 1 lane with cars parked on the side n the cops don't do shit except drive 100+ on the freeway swerving through cars or dealing with the drunk dude beating his wife... I've met cops in training that when I asked why? they said to be a crooked cop... don't trust anyone!

 

[Greyskull]

thanks for the info medfinder
my friends finally got back to me... whew.

 

[tintala]

ITS TIME TO KICK THE DOOR IN ON THE DEA

ITS TIME TO KICK THE DOOR IN ON THE DEA

with their hands on their cocks. So now its down to OBAMA CONFRONTING THE DEA> but he wont. Whats up with JOE ROGAN ANNOUNCING THE DEA SERIES PREMIRE ON SPIKE?

 

[Blue Dot]

its on the asa wbsite check it out...

I can't find the link on either the main site or the sd site.

can you direct me to it?