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Yes4Prop215

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I am currently growing some plants in rockwool cubes and hydroton, and i have heard so much conflicting information i want to settle any questions i have once and for all. I am using the Lucas Formula, balanced to 5.8 and hand watered 3 times a day, however these waterings are usually very light, maybe a cup per watering.

First, most people on this forum tell me that to effectively run a hydro setup, i need to water my plants 4-6 times daily and once when the lights are off. Each watering consists of flooding the tray for ten minutes and draining back into the res...CORRECT? Now, one of the main things i was worried about was over watering and root rot, it just seems like thats alot of water to be running through my plants. Are my misconceptions holding me back? Is it perfectly ok to heavily water these babies?? I buy my RO water from Safeway, it costs a dollar a gallon, unless i get an RO filter hydro seems very wasteful in regard to water consumption, one reason i was thinking about switching to soil.

Second, since i am hand watering now, i get very little runoff, and what runoff i do get seems unusable. Maybe i am just a neat freak and my view is totally off, but i have never re-used the solution. One reason why is that i sprayed Pyrithium and Neem Oil, plus numerous fungicides, and all that ended up in the flood trays. Any solution that runsoff and will end back in the res will be contaminated by all the residue in the flood trays. Once again, are my views totally wrong??

Third, it seems like my flood trays are hard to drain. We have holes drilled into them, but the water seems to like to pool up and sit around, plus with all the dead fungus gnats it creates a big nasty pool of dead insects, i really dont want this going into my res! For flood system, how much solution should realistically remain in the flood tray, and isnt this bad because it can raise the humidity around the plants significantly?

After consultation in my other threads, i am already making changes in my grow style. First, i am watering more often in order to keep the rockwool PH stabilized. I am gonna to finally set up my pump system (which sat unused for two months because we were too lazy to set it up and prefered hand watering), i am gonna set the pump on 3.5 hour intervals during flowering.

Heres a few pics of my plants, as you can see they are suffering from major PH problems and nute lockouts, plus the fungus gnat infestation doesnt help at all. I dont want to give up on hydro just yet, even though we are diverting half our grow room to soil.
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Yes4Prop215

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I forgot to mention that we have already dosed the plants with gnatrol in the roots, pyrithium sprays on the top surface, and stickey traps everywhere so hopefully the fungus gnats wont be a big problem anymore.

I am also upping the nutrient strengh to 1300 ppm and full strengh Lucas Formula which is 8-16 per gallon, althogh i usually dilute this about 25% with water so its probably more like 6-14 per gallon, should i keep the dosage strong?
 

BCity

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Don't give up :) I personally think this type of flood and drain is to hard, keep with it though once you work out the little kinks you wont regret it.
If you do decide that its not for you definitely try a different type of hydro set up like DWC
 

Yes4Prop215

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Yea actually i was thinking about scratching the flood and drain and just so a drip system flood, where my plants are top watered through the 1/4 vinyl tubing.
 

FrostyGreen

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What size are your pots??? Is that RW on bottom (4" block w/diced RW surrounded) and Hydrotron on top? Ran exact set up like that in a run to waste if it is. Full Lucas since day one w tap water 5.8-5.9 20% runoff. Only fed 2-3 times w lights on, never when off for no more than 2 min each feed. Study your plants...they'll talk to you. lol. Look into no clog drippers from discount hydro or your local shop if you go that route. Never had a problem with them....not 1!!! Reusing your nutes for other plants outside is the best!!! Hope this helps. Keep it green. FG
 

Yes4Prop215

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my pots are the two gallon ones, run to waste means that you dont use the nute solution once it has gone through the subsurface and drained out the tray correct?
 

OgreSeeker

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Dude you worry way to much LOL.
Looks like your girls are a little hungry and are suffering from some brown spots / necrosis. Those purple stems may be an indication of a deficiency.
Your getting conflicting answers because there are a hundred different configurations for watering times and frequency. Flood time and frequency depend on how much light your using, how large the plants are, how much rockwool your using etc.
Most people flood 4 to 6 times daily with one flood at lights off.
I would start out flooding the table 3 times daily with no floods at night and let your plants tell you if they want more.
Do away with hand watering! Just flood those bitches!!
R/O or Distilled water does get expensive if you have to purchase it by the gallon and drain to waste. Get yourself an R/O system from Ebay for 75 or 100 bucks. It will pay for itself in no time and it will save you the trouble of lugging around gallons of water from the store. I remember the days of driving to wally world and filling two carts with gallons and gallons of water...oh my god what a nightmare.
Also...almost every e&f table "pools" in some areas.
Will the pooling water raise humidity around the plants...probably. Significantly, no. If it pools in one corner just level it up a bit.
And your just gonna have to get over seeing nasty fungus knat water...it's the cost of doing bidness . Your res and table are gonna get funked up. There just no avoiding it (unless you hand water w/ no runoff LOL). That equipment ain't gonna stay new forever.
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greenpenguin

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I use a drip system and only water 3 times a day and only during the light cycles. imho feeding when the lights are off is a waste, there's no photosynthesis going on at that time... though I could be wrong.
1300 ppm seems pretty damn aggressive to me and it also looks like the pH might be too high, did you presoak your rockwool to lower pH and wash your hydroton?
 

FrostyGreen

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yes4prop215 you are correct on the run to waste. Since it's not a recirc system, Ph and ppms are always stable. You just go thru more water and nutes. I used tap water cuz I was not willing to do any extra foot work if I can get away with using tap. You're gonna have to get those girls completely healthy soon so you don't sacrafice finish quality. Not sure on what size light your using, but at that size plant with a 400w I was runnin full Lucas Formula with extra cal mag. Best is to check your pot by hand weight before and after feedings...you'll get the hang of it. Thats when you dial in feeding lengths with you pump timer. Just don't overwater....error on the side of dryness with rockwool. Check the infirmary on here, but it looks like a cal/mag issue. Keep it green. FG
 

Yes4Prop215

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true true thx for all the advice.

i recently harvest my first babies and i studied the root systems, i DEFINATELY need to water waayyyyyyy more, i see why hydro needs flooding.

until i set the pump up im hand watering each plant with about 2 cups every 3 hours, seeing how they react.
 

ChaosCatalunya

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we did an experiment with NFT a few years ago that left an impression on me ....

Several places [inc commercial glasshouse growers] were talking about using intermittent flow on NFT systems to increase oxygenation, so we set up a test.

2 identical NFT tables, both 4' x 6', both with 2x600W HPS, all identical, apart from one running constant flow, the other 15 on/15off, a well known clone strain on each table @1ppsf ... 24 plants on each for those

The result was no surprise as even in the veg stage you could plainly see far better growth with the constant flow. In the end, it yielded 30% more & we never bothered with intermittent flow again.


In your shoes, I would be tempted to increase the frequency of the waterings ... maybe on just some of them, as an experiment ....

Best of luck Prop
 

Yes4Prop215

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so your saying the plants were being watered almost the whole time the lights were running? im gonna run back into the room and water again, its been over an hour!
 

Slap

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so your saying the plants were being watered almost the whole time the lights were running? im gonna run back into the room and water again, its been over an hour!

With your particular system being that you're using rockwool, I would probably only water 2-3 times during the day and just leave them alone at night. Rockwool retains a lot of moisture and often times people will overwater their plants due to their inability to see just how wet their medium is. Also, you might want to try more water less often. :2cents:

The system he was talking about was an NFT system which needs to be fed a lot more often than rockwool.
 

ChaosCatalunya

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With your particular system being that you're using rockwool, I would probably only water 2-3 times during the day and just leave them alone at night. Rockwool retains a lot of moisture and often times people will overwater their plants due to their inability to see just how wet their medium is. Also, you might want to try more water less often. :2cents:

The system he was talking about was an NFT system which needs to be fed a lot more often than rockwool.

Spot on about the rockwool Slap, but as the OP is just using cubes [1" or 3" not stated or shown] ...& the main rootmass is in hydroton, so I would treat as hydroton ? Not waterlogging the rockwool cube would obviously be a good move, so only flood to max 2/3 of the pot height.

Trying various watering schedules can pay real dividends, varieties differ and plants adapt differently to different situations.
 

d4twamp

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Yes4prop215, We grow in a 4x4 ebb & flow table, recirculating 24/7, in the channels of the tray we run 4 ft. air diffusers, the net pots sit right on top of the bubbling channels, the water level is below the bottom of the cubes in the 6 in net pots...the results are great so far...this is the first time growing this way, but we will see...
 

Yes4Prop215

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Ive noticed that my kush plants are showing signs of nute burn now, so maybe i am over watering. We are doing 3x a day with at least 2+ cups per plant which creates a lot of run off.
 

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