using Co2 in res! crazy results!

[loco81]

for the part most i agree that a better test needs to be done with more controls but i dont think it was a coincidence. but who knows thats why i started this thread to see if anyone else has done. i did it but i have nothing to compare to so idk if it is better or worse.

The testing is interesting BUT, Like mentioned above, growing from seeds provide to much chance on getting slow growers to robust growers.

I have 18 plants right now that are all under the same exact conditions for 60 days. Some are full short and squat while others are taller and thinner in foliage. Same strain, same batch of seed.

Although I do believe that CO2 is beneficial, this particular experiment is unreliable because he used seeds and not clones off of one mother which would have given him identical conditions for all 3.

 

[HairlessCaveApe]

Yea Loco. Ya do gotta do a controle with identicle clones. All the best to Ya but I dont think c02"s gonna do ya any good in yer root zone. You need to give the roots oxygen and the canopee c02. From what I understand thats the way they work. They take in 0 threw the roots and c02 threw theyre leaves. I think your average root zone usually gets enoughf 0 from its medium as long as the gardner makes shure his mediun gets proper aireation. Who knows tho. Run with it if you feel like it. A controled side by side with identicle clones would shurley show whats up.

 

[Gobwats]

im very very interested as to your findings loco. i also correctly read the thread, ages ago, and have since thought about it a little bit. im not sure how it would affect plants that do not have their photosynthesizing vegetative matter fully submerged in the water. i mean cannabis IS in fact a C4 plant so who knows the extent to which it can absorb nutrients.



are you insinuating that adding the CO2 will some how be added in such great quantity that it pushes the oxygen out of the liquid? im sure these type of CO2 reactors only put out 30-130ppm per day, so im sure its fine unless you have a SWC(shallow water culture).

I have no idea how they are using it or in what concentrations. I'm a theoretical mathematician, so I must rely upon the opinions of experts in the fields of chemistry and botany, and the opinions I have read, been told, or otherwise exposed to say that CO2 in the water can become toxic to the plant (I'm also a cave diver so I do know the role CO2 plays in groundwater.)

Keep in mind, back in the 70's it was thought that stressing plants made them stronger and more potent; we would even go as far as to push thumb tacks into the stems to both stress them and supposedly supply them with extra iron. Over the years I have seen what does and does not work (for me at least) and turned to those much more knowledgeable than myself (hence my presence on this forum) for answers to those questions beyond my area of expertise (read, anything involving chemistry or physics; although I am quite good and do enjoy making things that go boom, that is where my knowledge fades in these areas.) Then again, O2 at certain levels becomes toxic, so I suppose this is possible it just goes against everything I have learned up to this point.

 

[loco81]

i here you and like i said i am no expert just hoped maybe some one else may have tried something similiar and show results but looks like i may just have to try on my own somehow. hIf you follw the thread of his he is going to do more tests in future so we will wait and see!

I have no idea how they are using it or in what concentrations. I'm a theoretical mathematician, so I must rely upon the opinions of experts in the fields of chemistry and botany, and the opinions I have read, been told, or otherwise exposed to say that CO2 in the water can become toxic to the plant (I'm also a cave diver so I do know the role CO2 plays in groundwater.)

Keep in mind, back in the 70's it was thought that stressing plants made them stronger and more potent; we would even go as far as to push thumb tacks into the stems to both stress them and supposedly supply them with extra iron. Over the years I have seen what does and does not work (for me at least) and turned to those much more knowledgeable than myself (hence my presence on this forum) for answers to those questions beyond my area of expertise (read, anything involving chemistry or physics; although I am quite good and do enjoy making things that go boom, that is where my knowledge fades in these areas.) Then again, O2 at certain levels becomes toxic, so I suppose this is possible it just goes against everything I have learned up to this point.

 

[ShroomDr]

Im sure i read a thread over a year ago, about a fellow icmag'er who started having pH troubles after they sealed there room. They were using CO2, and finally attributed there problem to the fact they were pumping CO2 rich air though the res (all the carbon was fucking with the pH).

I think they moved the air pump intake to outside the room, and all the problems were solved.

I can't really think of any search terms :bongload: or else i would link it.

 

[ShroomDr]

CO2 and PH drop - tweaking sealed rooms
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46382&highlight=co2+ph+reservoir+sealed
synopsis: 'people with sealed rooms + CO2, and have the reservoir and airpump in the sealed room, have pH problems, not incredible yeild boosts'

Threads like my link, and the fact that these people dont report incredible yield, makes me think the original subject thread, of this thread, is anomalous. Although admittedly, I did not read the experiment in question.

 

[00420]

i know co2 is used in salt tanks..... it's injected to CA carbon to lower ph so it can brake down better most the time it's hooked up to a CA meter to control the ppm level

 

[norcal woodsman]

hey fellas hows it going im new to this web site so happy 420
well i've found that if you take air stones drop them into res that runs off air pump and some air stones into the bucket with the roots great results so far take a look on indoor hydro CULTIVATION STATION by my bro d4twamp the ten gallon bucket with air stones

 

[loco81]

thanks for the input everyone i will conduct my own expierment in a month or so so then we will see!

 

[norcal woodsman]

happy buding loco81 let me know how that co2 works in res if you want to see good ass roots with just air stones in res check out mine and my bro d4twamp shit looks like top ramen fcking huge

you've already been to this sight (cultivation station)

 

[Gobwats]

happy buding loco81 let me know how that co2 works in res if you want to see good ass roots with just air stones in res check out mine and my bro d4twamp shit looks like top ramen fcking huge

you've already been to this sight (cultivation station)

I agree woodsman, it will be interesting to see his results; however, having been counted amongst the many who battled rampant pH fluctuation problems because I started off with my air pump inside the CO2 enhanced environment (pump is now in fresh air and pH balance stays stable!) I favor O2 myself. Nothing beats a good air stone delivering top quality bubbling to the root zone to spark growth, at least not in my own experiences.

 

[Hasanen]

All i know is that the video was crappy and i think the test results doesn't proove anything (yet).

 

[smurfin'herb]

FYI...

Plants absorb c02 thru the leaves, NOT the roots. When high concentration of co2 is introduced into the rez it will form carbonic acid as well as make your ph drop. Ever measure your ph right after it comes out of the tap and then again 24 hrs later...? Its always lower straight outta the tap, and then rises over a period of time, because c02 is in the water that comes out the tap, and then dissolves out. O2 is good for the rez, NOT C02!!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I would hope so, CO2 in the root zone can be toxic. Plants absorb CO2 through their leaves, they absorb O2 through their root system.

Quite right.

Adding CO2 to water DOES make a nice fluid to help ease corn syrup down your throat though.

Personally I can't stand soda but once in a great while.

 

[norcal woodsman]

loco81 wut up hows that co2 going show some pics
were ya at

 

[loco81]

well for some reasons i kinda stopped it in my run. i will try again later when i can buy proper stuff!! i was using a ghetto method for a couple weeks and looked goo but i didnt have time to keep up so i am waiting untill i get a real setup. and then i will do a side by side grow.

 

[Ganjagrower1]

how well did the co2 in your res work for you. I dont know about that one. But i have a air pump that has an intake whole on it so i think i might have the same sort of thing. but i might be crazy. with the pump in the room and having co2 in there as well i think the air pump is pulling air from the room and that has co2 in it.

 

[loco81]

sounds logical to me lol did you watch the video at beggining of thread?

 

[Gobwats]

how well did the co2 in your res work for you. I dont know about that one. But i have a air pump that has an intake whole on it so i think i might have the same sort of thing. but i might be crazy. with the pump in the room and having co2 in there as well i think the air pump is pulling air from the room and that has co2 in it.

Had my air pump in the grow room as well to start, but moved it outside into fresh air and solved my pH issues. I'm guessing if it works [CO2 in the res], it needs to be at much lower concentrations than what the vegetation is getting, otherwise it causes heavy dives in the pH balance.

 

[Ganjagrower1]

that was what i am experiencing right now is heavy dives in ph..... I dont get it i started out with my air pump outside the room and my ph would drop all the way down to 4.0.... I know it sounds crazy.