Fish Emulsion?

[floppyfundanglr]

ive never had problems with it. I probably used 4 tablespoons to the gallon at most.

peace

 

[CannabisBlunt]

ive never had problems with it. I probably used 4 tablespoons to the gallon at most.

peace

same here. it even got to the point where i trusted it enough to just straight pour it into a gallon jug and shake her up. this stuff really must take a lot to burn (6+ TBS).

 

[Microbeman]

if this is the case can you not burn a plant when using organics? Also if a plant in flower doesnt require as much nitrogen wouldnt it be a waste to give it something it wont even benifit from. Ive had a bit of success with my methods and am curious if there is some advantage to continuing a high N fertilizer like fish emulsion in flower. I definatly understand what your saying and i do use this knowlegde in my growing style.

In my opinion, it is not about N or P or K. In an organic fertilizer the NPK ratings do not represent what is plant available. For example, a good compost has NPK sequestered in a form which does not show in testing. The microbes in the soil use this sequestered energy and through interaction with other soil microbes release nutrients (like N, P or K) and micronutrients which are bioavailable to the roots of the plant.

I cannot vouch for all organic fertilizers so cannot answer whether using too much would harm your plants. There are many dubious people out there who may use undetectible means to boost test results (NPK). Look at the Chinese delemma when plastic (melamine) was used to boost the protein test results in gluten. [[Rather genius actually; we pay the Chinese to 'recycle' our old computer cases and telephones and they figured out a way to make us eat our garbage and get us to pay for it]] A protein testing format cannot define the source of the protein, one reason chicken feathers are used in dog food.

I have not used any pre-made fertilizers in years. Rather, I use the raw ingredients; compost, vermicompost, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, rock phosphate, rock powders, humates, fish hydrolysate (okay that's kinda pre-made), etc.

 

[floppyfundanglr]

So how long do you use your fish hydrolysate for in flower and in what amounts? Ive never had any ill effects when discontinuing my fish emulsion in flower. Just curious as to what benifits are provided with this method? Also what relevance do the NPK ratings have in regards to organic nutrients? Basically is there a difference between chem and organic ratings due to the method of uptake that differs with organics?

peace

 

[Microbeman]

So how long do you use your fish hydrolysate for in flower and in what amounts? Ive never had any ill effects when discontinuing my fish emulsion in flower. Just curious as to what benifits are provided with this method? Also what relevance do the NPK ratings have in regards to organic nutrients? Basically is there a difference between chem and organic ratings due to the method of uptake that differs with organics?

peace

I'm not sure if this is addressed to me. As far as the NPK ratings, I believe it is law that percentages must be marked on all products called fertilizers. For the other question, I'd refer you to the link I posted or other basics concerning the fundamentals of how organics work compared to chemical fertilizers. Generally, the theory and practice to a certain point is that chemical ferts. are in a soluble form whereas organic matter is made bio-available by microbial interaction. The problem is that unused chems build up salts and/or run into the water table, etc. and ultimately bring about the absence of soil microbes.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Microbeman, not looking to start a pissing contest, but in limited amounts soluble ferts can have a benificial effect on the microkiddies.

I was part of thesis I read when researching the use of hydrogen peroxide (which I use in soil). It was with regrad to adding H2O2 to Peters blend of some sort and feed with subsurface emitters.

Anyway getting away from what I was saying is that in very light doses chem ferts interact with the plant causing the roots to exude that substance the article spoke of increasing the microkiddiy population.

I do not claim to have any knowledge beyond what I have read so take it with a grain of salt.

As to the article, if interested I will try and dig it up pardon the pun. It is buried inthe H2O2 thread from last fall.

minds_I

 

[Microbeman]

"The problem is that unused chems build up salts" is what I said

 

[OldBastard]

I'm not sure if this is addressed to me. As far as the NPK ratings, I believe it is law that percentages must be marked on all products called fertilizers. For the other question, I'd refer you to the link I posted or other basics concerning the fundamentals of how organics work compared to chemical fertilizers. Generally, the theory and practice to a certain point is that chemical ferts. are in a soluble form whereas organic matter is made bio-available by microbial interaction. The problem is that unused chems build up salts and/or run into the water table, etc. and ultimately bring about the absence of soil microbes.

yeah, I'm pretty much hearing what you're saying, and that is trying sort out the/semantics of "organics" as ti relates to bio-availability, and how this term is being even more and more loosely defined as far as legislation, corporations and politics goes.
Good example: Would we want to have Monsanto developing A seed line of weed?
I'm a purist at heart as regards "organics" and how it's defined under us code
is what confuses a lot of people, and this in everything from ferts to chickens to eggs.
I guess that's the ideal.
BUT, I'm not beyond synthetic enhancement of anything as long as it doesn't do more harm than good in the long run.
I play electrode tube amps, but I've heard really good digital stuff too.
For certain applications.

But again, would anyone want Monsanto breeding weed?

Hell ,we'd all be buying the terminator brain dead zombie strain 'till we croaked!
Sorry.

 

[floppyfundanglr]

I'm not sure if this is addressed to me. As far as the NPK ratings, I believe it is law that percentages must be marked on all products called fertilizers. For the other question, I'd refer you to the link I posted or other basics concerning the fundamentals of how organics work compared to chemical fertilizers. Generally, the theory and practice to a certain point is that chemical ferts. are in a soluble form whereas organic matter is made bio-available by microbial interaction. The problem is that unused chems build up salts and/or run into the water table, etc. and ultimately bring about the absence of soil microbes.

Yeah i saw the article. But im talking about you personally. What do you feed your plants and in what amounts in the flowering stage?

peace

 

[floppyfundanglr]

microben all i want to know is what benifits you get from using fish hydrosolate or whatever it is in flower. Why do you say to use a high N product in flower? I just want to know so i can grow better plants. Do you have pictures?

peace

 

[Microbeman]

I don't believe I did say to use a high N during flowering. I do believe I said that there is nothing wrong with using fish hydrolysate during flowering. In organic/natural growing there is no such thing as feeding plants. This is a mindset people are stuck with from growing with chemical fertilizers.

 

[cannabal13]

It's my understanding that instead of fish emulsion, a better product would be fish hydrolysate. Fish emulsion is a hot process, extracting fish essences from fish meal, where hydrolysate products are cold processed from whole fish parts, bones, skins, etc. I suppose there are specific uses for both products. cannabal