unlimited cheap c02

[NiteTiger]

I certainly agree that there will be some CO2 released, but nowhere near enough to make any difference.

I ran the same strain, in the same room, with the same environmental conditions. In one run I had nothing else going on, in the second I ran the method you're referring to, except I ran tubing from the bottles right up the plants. It doesn't get any better than that for the opportunity for absorption. The CO2 was literally coming out onto the plants themselves.

No change in yield.

Plus, CO2 being heavier than air, releasing CO2 at random into the grow room doesn't make it to the plants. It sits on the floor, next to the pots, nowhere near the stomata. That's why in proper CO2 applications, you'll see tubing run across the roof of the grow, or the generator mounted up high. This allows the CO2 to reach the plants in a way that will have the maximum effect.

Like I said, I have no issue with you bringing an idea to the table, and discussing the why's and wherefor's about it, but just be careful with how you present it

 

[NiteTiger]

And the guys on OG and CW who were saying breathe in the room? Just as full of crap as the guy who says you grow the best weed under a black light.

 

[purpledomgoddes]

fwiw, hung from ceiling over each vegetable w/ vinyl tubing circling just like wopuld for intensive training w/ wire/etc. observable enhancement v. non-tubed/c02'd.
placed underneath 12-14" blower(s) is pulled up into canopy.
if doesn't work for you - abort/abandon.
did you actually monitor c02 w/ meter?
is the assertation that including a 5-20 gal bucket of c02 being released/tubed-directly-to-plants will NOT increase c02? but the tank/gens WILL?
where did/does the c02 go that is created by the fermentation process? just evaporates/disappears? scientifically impossible.
og/cw had lots of good data. up to the gardener to find what works for them.
folks still skeptical about uvb lights, but after a mere week of observation results will be apparent.
again: if not applicable/doesn't work in your situation - abort/abandon/don't do.

 

[purpledomgoddes]

even an increase of 100-200 ppm (if this method can produce that much[unknown]) is realized - is this not an enhancement (for crumbs invested/using simple household raw materials) in c02?
why would one NOT apply this 'cheap' method, if budgetary constraints limits acquisition of taks/gens/regs - IF c02 is SO important to have available.
other influences in conjunction w/ c02 affect health/growth/fruiting:
par light spectrum/absorption
angle of light
light cycle(s)
diff
vapor pressure deficit (rh)
ambient temps (day/night+total weekly average temps)
root temps (in relation to day/night+ambient temps)
once gas is applied, can move on to other areas of concern. method really for folks unable to do machines for whatever reason. but can be used in other situations.

 

[Greyskull]

To be totally honest, and hopefully blunt...

This "save a few dollars/DIY" CO2 method is pretty lame. RETARDED.
All kinds of flaming hoops to jump thru.... way more trouble than its worth. Honestly.

If you area serious grower (not growing in a lil cab), serious enough that you will be implementing CO2, spend the money and get the real set up. Even the most ghetto CO2 set up (a tank and a regulator w/tubing in front of an oscillating fan to disperse the gas) will at most cost you $250 brand new. The 20lb tanks are $20 to refill. Save your money by building your tables or reserviors or stands or making yor own soil/compost....

Do you try to save a few buck by brewing your own motor oil, too?

 

[OldBastard]

To be totally honest, and hopefully blunt...

This "save a few dollars/DIY" CO2 method is pretty lame. RETARDED.
All kinds of flaming hoops to jump thru.... way more trouble than its worth. Honestly.

If you area serious grower (not growing in a lil cab), serious enough that you will be implementing CO2, spend the money and get the real set up. Even the most ghetto CO2 set up (a tank and a regulator w/tubing in front of an oscillating fan to disperse the gas) will at most cost you $250 brand new. The 20lb tanks are $20 to refill. Save your money by building your tables or reserviors or stands or making yor own soil/compost....

Do you try to save a few buck by brewing your own motor oil, too?

So you're only a serious grower if you're growing for profit or something?
What a lame elitist attitude!
And why does yield always have to be the defining factor?
Adding to the ambient co2 levels may have beneficial effects that are very hard to measure without a mass spectrometer.
hell, "flaming hoops"? I just threw some sogar and water and yeast together, and it's bubbling out co2 that wasn't there before I did it.
Took 5 minutes.
What "hoops"?
And I'm growing in a small cab because I need weed for medicine, but that's not "serious" enough?

 

[NiteTiger]

The problem is, it doesn't even raise the CO2 the 100-200ppm. As I stated, as few points above ambient, as in 3-5 ppm. This method just doesn't produce the gas in the needed concentrations.

And to be perfectly honest, saying a 20 gal bucket... Well, you'd increase your yields a hell of a lot more by putting more plants in that space.

It's a great theory but it doesn't work in practice. You keep saying try it try it try it, and I keep saying I have, I have, I have. It does not work.

 

[OldBastard]

Nope, I'M not saying use it. But what does "work" mean?

To say that the plant won't use any available co2 is just wrong.
Doesn't have to optimum for a plant to utilize it. Just present.

And if a plant uses it, then that's a positive, whether it's measurable or not.
That's like saying the plant doesn't use co2 at all then, because the levels aren't optimum, but we all know it does.
A small shot of water may not be the optimum watering for a midsize plant,
but give a plant that's thirsty and it will utilize that shot.

 

[NiteTiger]

I wasn't referring to you in that post man, was talking to purpdom :smile:

But, to clarify, by 'work', I mean generating the results expected from supplementing the garden with CO2. There is no statistically significant increase in CO2 concentration, nor is there any change in the health, vitality, or yield. That's how work is defined in this situation.

If you want to split hairs and play word games:

Work: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something.

So, by any definition, since this method accomplishes nothing nor produces nothing, it does not work.

Just like if you give that plant a small shot of water, it still won't keep it from dying since there isn't enough for it to make a difference.

You want to waste your time and energy just to waste your time and energy, more power to ya. Personally, if I put effort into my garden, I want to see results. So you go ahead and put your 20 gal bucket of sugar water and yeast in your grow, and tell yourself how much it's doing, even if every indicator says it's not, and I'll use that space for more plants, and actually have something to show for my time and effort.

 

[Greyskull]

So you're only a serious grower if you're growing for profit or something?
What a lame elitist attitude!
And why does yield always have to be the defining factor?
Adding to the ambient co2 levels may have beneficial effects that are very hard to measure without a mass spectrometer.
hell, "flaming hoops"? I just threw some sogar and water and yeast together, and it's bubbling out co2 that wasn't there before I did it.
Took 5 minutes.
What "hoops"?
And I'm growing in a small cab because I need weed for medicine, but that's not "serious" enough?

sorry to put your panties in a bunch, cabbie
i did not say ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT YOU TOWARDS YOU yet you come at me with your little napolean complex? go back to fisher price growing and mix some kool aid while I am growing the shit you wish you could afford kid.

 

[OldBastard]

What are you, 12 years old?

 

[OldBastard]

@ grey numbskull Elitist arrogant asshole, since you started this immature bullshit.
I don't give a fuck what you've grown or not grown.
I'm 51 you dumb fuck, and been in life or death situations you're lucky you've never found yourself in.
I try to be civil....

ANd your too stupid to realize the reality of what I said.

I was synthesizing phenethylamines when you were a punk in the 70's.

You fucking idiot, if there exist "optimum" co2 levels then there has to exist
a gradient UP to those levels, and each would represent a plus to the plant,
regardless if your puny weed soaked mind comprehends it or not, you arrogant stupid fuck.

REMEMBER: YOU started the name calling like a little bitch.

 

[Greyskull]

not to hijack the thread so please forgive me in advance...

hey ob (just like the tampon!) i don't give a rat's hoot who you used to be in a previous life or who you wish you were now. and if I started it its because i call it like i see it little boy and the reality of what you said is you grow in a cab and mix sugar and yeast w/water.

Like I said, enjoy your fisher price growing and kool aid. If you have a problem with it then its your problem, not mine - I just harevst 1.5+ of some kill you wish you could have. Be civil next time OLD MAN and send me a PM when you have an issue wiuth me and keep it private rather than have me blast you in front of everyone. And realize I don't care who thinks I am a dick and thinks I am cool I KNOW YOU ARE A SQUID AND I AM A SQUID HUNTER, BITCH. Whatever you were doing in the 70's doesn't change that fact.

you want respect and you say things like

And why does yield always have to be the defining factor?

... WHAT?



sorry to everyone else for this little message to OB I will be sure to stay out of the thread unless I have something else positive to contribute to the conversation. And if anyone has issue wiht me please send a PM and keep the threads clean. Later!

 

[OldBastard]

Thanks for making my point about your attitude for me.
Ad hominem attacks are the realm of those without facts.

I'm sure anyone with half a brain understands if there exists a non optimum level of ANYTHING, ergo there exists a graph that will document the rise to optimum, and that the rise is positive, (regardless of physical measurement) up to Optimum.
I won't indulge further except to say the original Poster made a positive contrbution, while your posts were irrelevant and useless.

Much like the haters of Dr greengenes methods. I don't guess using my meds will make me smarter.

Like growing pot takes a lot of smarts anyway! Fuck I used to grow trees
by just planting seeds in the top soil and watering once in a while!

Some people need thier egos stroked on forums I guess.
Thanks to OP for the info, you rock!

 

[LolaGal]

Gee Whiz! I can't afford to buy a Co2 system, so methods like this are the only thing I can afford to add.

Perhaps they are not as good as a full blown C02 system, but I have to believe they are helping a little.

Anybody ever brew any beer? I have and I use a water filled air lock on top to let out the C02. That rascal bubbles for Weeks!

Now, I don't have a C02 meter, but growing in a closed room with no way to add fresh air (too cold out), I gotta do something. I think this thread intended for us po' folks.

My yields probably won't compare to high tech grows, but I know some serious growers who recommend similar methods. Every grow book I have covers this subject.

Peace, Lola

 

[badugi]

Running a gas oven works.

 

[OldBastard]

Gee Whiz! I can't afford to buy a Co2 system, so methods like this are the only thing I can afford to add.

Perhaps they are not as good as a full blown C02 system, but I have to believe they are helping a little.

Anybody ever brew any beer? I have and I use a water filled air lock on top to let out the C02. That rascal bubbles for Weeks!

Now, I don't have a C02 meter, but growing in a closed room with no way to add fresh air (too cold out), I gotta do something. I think this thread intended for us po' folks.

My yields probably won't compare to high tech grows, but I know some serious growers who recommend similar methods. Every grow book I have covers this subject.

Peace, Lola

Thanks Lola, you're gem of common sense.

 

[JamieShoes]

yield obviously is not the only determining factor in genetic selction or growing - or we wouldnt grow sativas would we?

 

[purpledomgoddes]

art+science of gardening can go hi-tech+lo-tech. preferences are individual[=as many individual preferences as there are gardens].

while large fruit may be goal of one garden, pure beauty/research/relaxation/etc may be goal(s) of other(s). difficult to set general art or science standards w/ so many variables(gardens).

overall general objective seems to be healthy garden(s) of vegetables, w/ the specific art/science objectives dependent upon the primary.

during the process, enjoy.

 

[Scenario420]

Well I see this took a wierd turn, nevertheless its still good info to at least get the brain to thinking about different "cheap" options for small-scale CO2 additions....thanks to all