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The Slippery Slope to the Police State...

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Hal

A story from the NY Times yesterday concerning the US Supreme Courts decision to allow the police to search people even when the search is based on them making a mistake:

January 15, 2009
Supreme Court Eases Limits on Evidence
By ADAM LIPTAK

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that evidence obtained from an unlawful arrest based on careless record keeping by the police may be used against a criminal defendant.

The 5-to-4 decision revealed competing conceptions of the exclusionary rule, which requires the suppression of some evidence obtained through police misconduct, and suggested that the court’s commitment to the rule was fragile.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., writing for the majority, said that the exclusion of evidence should be a last resort and that judges should use a sliding scale in deciding whether particular misconduct by the police warranted suppressing the evidence they had found.

“To trigger the exclusionary rule,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote, “police conduct must be sufficiently deliberate that exclusion can meaningfully deter it, and sufficiently culpable that such deterrence is worth the price paid by the justice system.”

That price, the chief justice wrote, “is, of course, letting guilty and possibly dangerous defendants go free.”

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing for the dissenters, argued for “a more majestic conception” of the exclusionary rule, and a more categorical one.

The rule requires more than a cost-benefit calculus to deter police misconduct, Justice Ginsburg wrote. It also protects defendants’ rights, she said, and prevents judicial complicity in “official lawlessness.”

The case began when methamphetamines and a gun were found after Bennie D. Herring, an Alabama man, was arrested based on police officers’ mistaken belief that he was subject to an outstanding arrest warrant.

That belief was based on incorrect information in the computer files of a neighboring county’s police department. The warrant had been withdrawn, but the database had not been updated.

Calling the error “isolated negligence attenuated from the arrest,” Chief Justice Roberts said the lower courts had been correct in allowing the jury in Mr. Herring’s case to consider the evidence. He was convicted and sentenced to 27 months in prison.

The ruling itself is relatively narrow and is arguably merely a logical extension of a 1995 decision, Arizona v. Evans, which recognized an exception to the exclusionary rule for arrests resulting from erroneous computer records kept by court employees (as opposed to the police).

The decision in the case, Herring v. United States, No. 07-513, may have broad consequences, said Craig M. Bradley, a law professor at Indiana University.

“It may well be,” Professor Bradley said, “that courts will take this as a green light to ignore police negligence all over the place.”

Chief Justice Roberts, who was joined by Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr., said the exclusionary rule was unlikely to deter isolated careless record keeping and should be reserved for “deliberate, reckless or grossly negligent conduct, or in some circumstances recurring systemic negligence.”

“The deterrent effect of suppression must be substantial and outweigh any harm to the justice system,” the chief justice wrote. “Marginal deterrence does not ‘pay its way.’ ”

Justice Ginsburg, joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Stephen G. Breyer, wrote that the majority “underestimates the need for a forceful exclusionary rule and the gravity of record keeping violations,” particularly given the heavy reliance by law enforcement on the electronic databases that “form the nervous system of contemporary criminal justice operations.”

In a separate dissent, Justice Breyer, joined by Justice Souter, called for a “clear line” to be drawn between “police record keeping errors and judicial ones.”

That, Justice Breyer said, “is far easier for the courts to administer that the chief justice’s case-by-case, multifactored inquiry into the degree of police culpability.”

The decision in the Herring case divided along familiar lines. A second case, about the role of the jury in sentencing decisions, was also decided Wednesday by a 5-to-4 vote, but it had a less predictable lineup.

That decision marked either a pause or a stopping point in a judicial march that began with the court’s 2000 decision in Apprendi v. New Jersey that the Constitution bars judges from making factual findings leading to increased sentences.

The question in the new case, Oregon v. Ice, No. 07-901, was whether the requirement established in Apprendi applied to the decision whether a defendant convicted of multiple crimes must serve consecutive or concurrent sentences if the harsher punishment required a judge to find facts not determined by the jury.

Justice Ginsburg, joined by Justices Stevens, Kennedy, Breyer and Alito, wrote that the Apprendi rule did not apply to that situation “in light of historical practice and the authority of the states over the administration of their criminal justice systems.”

It was undisputed in the case that some state systems that give judges discretion on this point are constitutional, including those in which judges have complete freedom and those in which they are allowed to opt for more lenient concurrent sentences.

The system used in Oregon, however, introduced an additional element in allowing judges to impose harsher sentences. The Oregon law required judges wishing to impose consecutive sentences in some cases to make factual findings about, for instance, the defendant’s “willingness to commit more than one criminal offense,” before imposing the longer prison terms.

An Oregon judge did so in the case of Thomas E. Ice, who was convicted of sexually assaulting an 11-year-old girl on two occasions. The judge effectively increased Mr. Ice’s sentence to 340 months from 90 months.

Justice Antonin Scalia, joined by Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Souter and Thomas, dissented, saying the majority opinion was “a virtual copy of the dissents” and filled with “repeated exhumation of arguments dead and buried” in the Apprendi line of cases.

“I do not understand,” Justice Scalia wrote, “why we would make such a strange exception to the treasured right of trial by jury.”


Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company
 
H

Hal

An editorial by the NY Times, today, responding to that ruling:


January 16, 2009
Editorial
The Fourth Amendment Diluted


With a lamentable 5-to-4 ruling on Wednesday, the Supreme Court carved a new exception to the nearly century-old exclusionary rule, which forbids prosecutors from using evidence obtained by the police as the result of an improper search. The result was a meaningful dilution of Americans’ Fourth Amendment protections and one more instance of the court’s conservative majority upsetting precedent without admitting that it is doing so.

The case centered on the 2004 arrest of Bennie Dean Herring by police officers in Coffee County, Ala., based on a mistaken belief that he was the subject of an outstanding warrant. It turned out that the warrant, although still in the computerized database of a neighboring town, had been withdrawn five months earlier. By the time the error was discovered, officers had stopped Mr. Herring, handcuffed him, searched him and his truck and found methamphetamine and an unloaded pistol.

No one disputed that Mr. Herring’s arrest lacked probable cause and that both the arrest and the search were therefore unconstitutional. Nevertheless, the Supreme Court declined to exclude the seized evidence, and upheld Mr. Herring’s conviction on drug and gun charges. The arrest was based on careless police record-keeping rather intentional misconduct, the court reasoned.

“To trigger the exclusionary rule,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the majority, “police conduct must be sufficiently deliberate that exclusion can meaningfully deter it, and sufficiently culpable that such deterrence is worth the price paid by the justice system.” The decision instructs judges to use a sliding scale to decide whether police misconduct warrants suppressing evidence.

That may seem reasonable, but it ignores both the inadequacy in the real world of using a cost-benefit calculus to deter unconstitutional law enforcement conduct, and the harm of involving the courts in trampling on people’s rights by admitting the fruits of an unconstitutional search. The decision also overlooks the importance of preserving a strong incentive for maintaining accurate, up-to-date records in an era of increased law-enforcement reliance on coordinated computer databases. These points were noted by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in a thoughtful dissenting opinion.

The outcome was not very surprising. In recent years, the court has carved out several “good faith” exceptions to the exclusionary rule, and justices on the court’s right flank have made no secret of their ambition to carve out more. But until this week, those exceptions were limited to instances when the improper search resulted from nonpolice errors, say by judicial officers or a legislature — not solely from police behavior.

The danger of this ruling is that judges will read its broad reasoning to prevent the exclusion of evidence in cases of negligent police conduct going well beyond sloppy record-keeping.



Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company
 

JJScorpio

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All this is, is a clarification of the "good faith doctrine" that has already been in existence for decades....
 
H

Hal

I call it a re-interpretation. And a bad one, especially for pot smokers.
 

JJScorpio

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It's not like cops aren't already good liars. Now all they have to do is play dumb and pretend they thought what they were doing was correct. It's really pretty much nothing but a scam. These Justices took an oath to uphold the constitution. I wonder how they sleep at night..........
 
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Hal

I agree JJ. This is just the thing that shows how important it is to vote, especially for the office of President. Yeah, all the guys running might be idiots, but the winner gets to appoint their idiot friends to a post that will last the rest of that idiots life, maybe 30 or 40 years that we have to suffer that idiot. Best to get the least idiotic idiot as president, that way our Supreme Court will be less idiotic...and harmful.

Speaking of idiots running for president...I think we got a non idiot this time. Whew!
 

wantaknow

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what ever happened to eror to side of caution ,everything is moving away from us and toward socializm
 

eenymeenygreeny

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Court says evidence is valid despite police error

Court says evidence is valid despite police error

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Court says evidence is valid despite police error
By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer Mark Sherman, Associated Press Writer Wed Jan 14, 3:15 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court said Wednesday that evidence obtained after illegal searches or arrests based on simple police mistakes may be used to prosecute criminal defendants.

The justices split 5-4 along ideological lines to apply new limits to the court's so-called exclusionary rule, which generally requires evidence to be suppressed if it results from a violation of a suspect's Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches or seizure.

The conservative majority acknowledged that the arrest of Bennie Dean Herring of Alabama — based on the mistaken belief that there was a warrant for his arrest — violated his constitutional rights, yet upheld his conviction on federal drug and gun charges.

Coffee County, Ala., sheriff's deputies found amphetamines in Herring's pockets and an unloaded gun in his truck when they conducted a search following his arrest. It turned out that the warrant from neighboring Dale County had been recalled five months earlier, but the county sheriff's computers had not been updated.

Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the court, said the evidence may be used "when police mistakes are the result of negligence such as that described here, rather than systemic error or reckless disregard of constitutional requirements."

Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas sided with Roberts.

In a dissent for the other four justices, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the ruling "leaves Herring, and others like him, with no remedy for violations of their constitutional rights."

Ginsburg said accurate police record-keeping is of paramount importance, particularly with the widespread use of electronic databases. Justices Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens also dissented.

Herring was arrested after a Coffee sheriff's employee asked her counterpart in Dale County whether Herring, called "no stranger to law enforcement" by Roberts, was wanted in Dale. An arrest warrant had been issued in Dale, but it had been recalled by July 2004.

The sheriff's electronic records, however, showed it was still a valid warrant.

Acting on that information, Coffee County deputies arrested and searched Herring.

The Dale employee meanwhile discovered the warrant was no longer valid and called Coffee County to say so. But it was too late for Herring.

Some courts have ruled that as a deterrent to police misconduct, the fruits of a similar search may be excluded from evidence.

But the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta said that suppressing evidence in Herring's case would be unlikely to deter sloppy record keeping.

The case is Herring v. U.S., 07-513.

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H

Hal

Guerilla....

What you saying I'm wrong for? You're agreeing with me. We saying the same thing :)
 

Pinball Wizard

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Obama, may have to re-pack the Supreme Court; the way FDR did?...too many Bush funkies.

everything needs an overhaul, now and then
 

SouthernGuerila

Gotta Smoke 'Em All!
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Guerilla....

What you saying I'm wrong for? You're agreeing with me. We saying the same thing :)

Especially pot smokers...

I'm an American who drinks scotch and smokes cannabis for recreational activity. :D

Anyway it affects all Americans, not just those who smoke pot.
 

bleedglory

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This is indeed a sad time for America. We are heading towards a police state. The fourth amendment is essentially nullified, unless we can count on the integrity of our police officers.

Essentially, yes, there can be warrantless raids as long as there was an "accident" or a "mistake" on the part of the police officers. We're bound to see a lot more "mistakes" in the near future, I'm sure.
 
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Blue Dot

“To trigger the exclusionary rule,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote, “police conduct must be sufficiently deliberate that exclusion can meaningfully deter it, and sufficiently culpable that such deterrence is worth the price paid by the justice system.”

Really?

So if police just "kinda" fuck up or fuck up and blame it on "that damn computer" then as ginsberg said, there is no recourse for the fourth admendment VICTIM.

Why's is gotta be an egregious error?

I'm sure if you fuck up at your job tomorrow you'll hear about from your boss.

Maybe if cops knew that if they fucked upped the "criminals" would go free then maybe, JUST MAYBE the pigs would do their job Correctly.

"Uh Oh, Bush is leaving office and that darkie is coming in, better start overturning shit now before that muslim puts an end to our power"

9 people on the supreme court decide MOST of the decisions that matter in America.
That's an America made up of over 300 million people.
Does that sound like democracy to you?
 

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