multiple Deficiencies in soil, ph or lack of food?

[medusa22]

->Hello guys i got 3 plants in soil (since my hydro system is killing me as usual lol), and about a month ago they started showing deficiencies which i tought were due to small buckets...

recently i changed them to flower and put them in larger pots, but the problems persisted and got worse...

->my nutes are ghe flora serires and the bioboosters (i dont have the protect yet) i also have epslon salts which i give them every now and then...

I also use tap water with 7.3ph i think...

->the plants are:
NYC (new york city diesel with jack herrer)
WW
and a seed i got in my last crop from Ice cool( a production hibrid of nycd)

->i feed them when the pots are light...and i used the formula on the bottle...half strengt every 2 waterings...lately after i saw the deficiencies i gave them a bit stronger dosage but still i only water when the pot is light , and atm its taking forever for it to be light.

here are the pics...

the grow:



the ww which has the same defs praticly as the NYC:





the homegrown by me bagseed lol:






PS:the plants are DROOPY as hell!!! and i believe the florwering is stunted cause i dont see bud development yet on the NYC even though i can see pistils...they in flowering for about 15/20 days...

what should i do to make them right?

thanks a lot guys

 

[mexilandrace]

they look over watered, or you have some root problems.

You likely have some lock out.

Don't water so much and stop ferting for a while, see if they recover.

What are your temps like? and what is that soil?

 

[medusa22]

soild is allmix from biobizz...

they were lft outside for about a month, and caught plenty of rain, could that be the cause for the over water and posterious root rot?

should i give them bioroots when they dry up completly?

temps are 25cº diuriong the day and 14cº during the nigh due to a polar front

 

[mexilandrace]

Those low temps are pretty low, that will contribute to your problems

I am not sure what bioroots is, so hard for me to say one way or another.

 

[medusa22]

its the biobooster for the roots from ghe

i know they i just inserted another 250 hps lamp to rase the temps during the day...at night ill have to find a solution other than running 2kwatts in heaters for 12 hours :s

but probably its root rot due to overwater about a month ago?how long until they recover?

thanks a lot on the info

 

[medusa22]

oh and i also added a heater during the night...working for 3mins every half hour...:S

 

[overmind1632]

Did you figure out the pH of the soil/runoff?

 

[medusa22]

no , causeihave to water in order to know the ph, andif its overwater it willruin things even more :S

i dont know what to do :s

 

[olddrifter66]

That PH sounds a bit high. 6.5 should put you in better shape. Water only lightly
(1 cup) when dry for a few waterings....

 

[overmind1632]

If its root rot, they won't recover, in fact, they will progressively get worse and worse

 

[medusa22]

its the damn ph afterall...i checked the runoff water and suprise surprise its 7.5 :s

how do i put it back to normal?

just water with 6.0 adjusted water?or i have to flush?

thanksa lot guys

 

[mexilandrace]

check your tap water, its odd for the PH to go up, did you add anything to the soil mix?

 

[medusa22]

my tap water ph afterall is about 7.5/8.0 the tube i tested with must have been dirty...

the runoff water was 7.5 and more to the 8...that messes up nitrogen?

the buckets are light again and i can water in the next days i believe....what should i do to make this right?

thanks

 

[medusa22]

the problem persists, i believe it might be salt buildup as i never flushed the soil since i planted them...

oneof the water runoff fromthe pot went over the scale in my EC meter...

I already flushed the soil, and added after the flush 3liter per pot of water with nutes... 0.3ml grow per liter, 0.75micro, 1.1bloom

dont the leafs look mag deficient?

oh btw they stoped beeing droopy, but the leafs aremore pale yellow and necrotic...

 

[overmind1632]

the problem persists, i believe it might be salt buildup as i never flushed the soil since i planted them...

oneof the water runoff fromthe pot went over the scale in my EC meter...

I already flushed the soil, and added after the flush 3liter per pot of water with nutes... 0.3ml grow per liter, 0.75micro, 1.1bloom

dont the leafs look mag deficient?

oh btw they stoped beeing droopy, but the leafs aremore pale yellow and necrotic...

Did you water/flush with phed water? and if so, what was it and whats the run off now? Is that what fixed the dropping issue?

 

[StrawD_Colas]

i dont know why no one is stating the obvious but i am almost 100% sure its your ph.. 7.5-8 is much too high. Im sure its locking things out especially with the combination of it being overwatered outside for a little while. just water with (lower) ph adjusted water (when it is time to water again)..also when you transplant into a larger pot you have to be careful not to overwater with the transplant and make sure the soil dries and the pot is light before you water again. It can take a long time sometimes for the initial transplant watering to dry up/be used sometimes. What you can try next time is transplant into barely moist soil and then lightly water in the plant but dont water to the point of overflow like you normaly would. . just trying to help out, let me know if there is anything else i can try to help with... good luck

 

[LolaGal]

I'd get some Cal Mag Plus to replace those Epsom Salts you are using. It's great stuff and no salt. I too, think it's the pH & Lockout. Have you got any pH down?

 

[Weedhound]

Is that hydroton you've got sitting around those plants? At first I thought you said hydro......now you're talking about flushing as though the plants were in soil. Which is it?

If that IS hydroton around your soil and you didn't pretreat it for several days I'm pretty darn sure that's where your high ph is coming from.......hydroton being notorious for raising ph into the 7's unless pretreated to lower ph.

 

[medusa22]

Weedhound ->yes its hidroton from my hydro system cause i was lacking 1 liter in soil to cover the pot so i used them...but its soil...100% allmix from biobizz.

Overmind1632 ->They got less droopy after i flushed them, but the lack of nitrogen persists as well as the lack of magnesium...i think these are the 2 main problems...
the runoff ph now is around 7, not close to 7.5 even...

Strawdcolas-> when they started developing these deficiencies i noticed they were rootbound and i left them that way for about 2 or 3 weeks, cause i only wanted to transplant them after the flowering began...i moved them to a new pot, and the deficiencies kept on going worse, hence my posts...at first i tought this was only rootbound :S
OH and BTW they were overwatered but that was a long time ago, since then they even became droopy from lack of water so i would leave that out.


the ec comming out of the pot at first blew my scale, after the flush, it was about 0.7 and 1.0 for all the plants...(i flushed with plain water, and at the end, added a nutrient solution with ph of 6, in order for the ph at the runoff to be around 7)

the water here has a high ph, and now ill start regulating my ph with ph down which i use a lot for my hydro system (with tthis kind of water i got no option lol)

i also pulverized the plants with water with epslom salts...they seemed to like it...

BTW SOMETHING HUGE I NOTICED IN STICH'S GUIDE...

during the night for the past days i got really low temps, somedays maybe lowetr than 10cº...and i read it could cause lockouts in nitrogen and magnesium...can it be cause of this?i already added a heater for the nights...

thanks a lot for the help guys, do you think i got everything covered?plants usually take a while in soil to show ya if they happy or not :S

 

[Weedhound]

Cold temps can do a good number on your plants. I consider in 40F way too low. As Lola says, you must be careful of adding too much sodium too your solution.....

Yes, your ph must be correct going both in and out......it they are fairly different you may have a soil ph issue. I personally think it's your hydroton but can't rule out low temps which can cause not only its own problems......but any problems you already have to appear worse (such as nute lockout due to abnormal ph)

PH EVERYTHING!! keep a record and note any trends

Good luck..