Anyone use Roots Organics by Aurora Innovations?

[stinkfinger]

Just saw this product today thought I would grab a few and give it a whirl. Roots Organics by aurora innovations is a coco-based grow medium. The bags contain alot of wonderful ingredents that the ladies should go ape-shit for. Coco-fiber, perlite, pumice, worm-castings, bat-guano, kelp meal, oyster shell flour, greensand, soluble kelp, glacial rock dust, and leonardite. I plan on running this stuff straight out the bag. The only nutes that I will be using are PBP grow/bloom, LK, and Hygrozyme. I will be growing some Iceprincess X Apollo11 clones, and some personal crosses from seeds. Hope to post some pics soon.

 

[surfingrob]

My local shop just got in the entire line, I also spoke to the sales reps who were pitching their wares to the owner. These guys are too cool, and have no time for bullshit, which is why they invented this line. They even gave me a couple Roots Organics lighters which I think shows they are smokers

I've tried the coco mix, which really isn't a coco mix at all, the stuff feels like soil, but it IS a soiless mix. It has all kinds of good stuff. I've also tried their fungi product, Oregonism. I saw no difference between this and any other innoculant product to be honest, although they claim you only need to innoculate once then its done. It costs 10 bucks for a little bag which will make a gallon of concentrate with which you dose each gallon of medium with 1/4 cup I believe. I believe this is cheaper than the others, but someone else has to do the math cause I'm too baked right now.

I've also been using their HPK bat guano for about 3 months now, and this stuff is just killer. I dose 1tps instead of the 1 tbsp they reccommend, or just dose by PPM's. It's super thick and concentrated and was designed to take over the budswell market, as it is essentially the same thing but more concentrated and with some micros as well.

I have yet to try any other products but I'm looking forward to using alot more, I usually pick up one bottle from their stuff every time I'm in the shop, just for shits n giggles to try em out. I'll update as I go.

-r

 

[dongle69]

I dumped Ocean Forest and started using Roots Organics for my soil grows.
Works great right out of the bag.

 

[JackKerouac]

Their Ancient Amber is an awesome source of humic for soil grows. I would skip the HP and stay with the HPK as a late harvest bud booster.

 

[relic1981]

i have replaced liquid karma with Trinity and added their HPK bloom booster which is bat guano based. i love it! i these with pure blend pro bloom in humboldt flower company's "basement mix" loose coco blend and i get the best results ive had.

 

[JackKerouac]

I don't know how it compares to Subculture, but "Oregonism" is a good root innoculant. Tons of goodies in there.

 

[inreplyavalon]

I had some success with their '707' soil bags. They are about 20 Gallons and i grew my outdoor this past summer directly in them. Grew nice 6 ft'ers. I have also used the Organism for a while now and i do believe it is the least expensive root additive.

 

[onegreenday]

i transplanted into the RO potting soil, which has coir, perlite, pumice, compost, peat moss, bat guano, mycorrhizae, earth worm castings, fish bone meal, kelp

meal, feather meal, humic acid, k-mag, glacial rock dust, alfalfa meal & oyster shell flour (everything but the kitchen sink)

and i got dramatic root growth very quickly.

i messed up some other things so i can't put a full stamp of approval this time out but the quality looks good on the potting soil and just chasing down all those ingredients makes it worth just buying a bag from RO.

The Oregonism is a pretty expensive additive which requires a large quantity
per instrucitons. From the label:

Application in solution (recommended)

2 Tablespoons (TBSP) in a quart (32 oz) water for each gallon
of media, use every 2-4 weeks.

Direct to media 2 TBSP per plant (a lot less usage)

$18. US for 4 oz. which would only do about 20 plants direct and not go very far in solution.

 

[Brain]

I'm using there serene (kelp extract) now and it's thick as hell. I think thats a good thing. You know it ain't watered down. I really like their line up. May be using more of it. I also used there orgenism xl for the first time. Don't know if it's working. Can you see the mycorizzhea (sp?) growing on the roots with the naked eye?

 

[onegreenday]

I'm using there serene (kelp extract) now and it's thick as hell. I think thats a good thing. You know it ain't watered down. I really like there line up. May be using for of it. I also used there orgenism xl for the first time. Don't know if it's working. Can you see the mycorizzhea (sp?) growing on the roots with the naked eye?

yah, i had some plants in net pots & the roots that came through seemed real fuzzy (different than normal); so i assume that's the oregonism working.

 

[d4twamp]

I've used the ROOTS ORGANICS OREGONISM XL w/ great results....The only thing I'd change about it, is to concentrate it more...at 2 TBS per qt. of H2o, it goes quick...

In my '09 outdoor campaign I'm gonna try the 707 mix from ROOTS ORGANICS, so I'm subscribed to this thred now, so any more info on this soiless mix will be appreciated...thanx

D

 

[Brain]

The HP is for coco mixes and HPK was for soil because coco releases extra K later in flowering according to their rep:

Hello,

The Roots line absolutely can be run with coco, in fact all of our potting mixes are coco based and the line is designed to work with them flawlessly.

As you already probably know there are a few rules of thumb when working with coir ( particularly pur coir)

1. Increased levels of calcium, magnesium and typiucally nitrogen will be required: this is due primarily to a high affinity of coco for these nutrients.

2. Be careful with Potassium levels: Coco has high background levels of K and excess K can cause Magnesium lockout and can imbalance Mangenese. From a functional perspective this means I typically recomend that people don't start using PK boosters until the last month of the plants life cycle.

What does alll this mean, well: The roots line is designed to work with coco and the only product one should be careful with is our HPK product which has an NPK of 0-5-4. In fact being coco people we digned the HPK for use with peat based soils and non coco hydro and we designed the HP ( which has a NPK of 0-4-0) for coco-hydro and our potting mixes.

Hope this helps

Thanks

 

[onegreenday]

Thanks Brain

Thanks Brain

This is on the 707 mix from Roots website:

Formula 707 was created for a special kind of gardener, one who
wants to control their own destiny. It is different from the other
potting mixes created by Aurora Innovations. It was designed with
greater water holding capacity, less perlite and pumice, and specific ingredients for large container gardening. In fact, the bag itself is a
30-gallon grow bag containing just less than 20 gallons of the finest quality potting mix. Made from only the finest ingredients, coarse
peat, coco fiber, compost, perlite, pumice, worm castings, bat guano,
fish bone meal, soybean meal, feather meal, kelp meal and much more.

Can u tell us what is in the "much more"????
I emailed Roots a while back but it bounced back to me.

 

[JackKerouac]

in the Roots Organics feeding schedule they suggest both HP2 & HPK in
late bloom which seems like a bit of overkill on the P.

It seems that way, but it is "organic", so it might not be immediately usable to the plant.

 

[Brain]

I think the 707 mix was made to compete with Royal Golds mendo mix and their other coco mix was made to compete with RG's Basement mix. I have no idea which one is better but since I'm in Cali I go with the Cali brand, less shipping costs, buy local, you know, that sort of thing.

 

[Greyskull]

I was under the impression Trinity was not a Liquid Karma like product, but more of a carboload/sweet leaf/sweet/mollases thing.... that what it reads like to me (and its what the shop head said.... we all know about shop heads though...)

Either way I didn't like the fact that is made my reservior bubble. NOT GOOD FOR RECIRCULATING/HYDRO IMO
It works great for single application (ie hand feed where nutes mixed each feeding) but I am not going to be using the rest of their line...

goodluck everyone
hope you find what you are looking for

 

[onegreenday]

"2. Be careful with Potassium levels: Coco has high background levels of K and excess K can cause Magnesium lockout and can imbalance Mangenese. From a functional perspective this means I typically recomend that people don't start using PK boosters until the last month of the plants life cycle.

What does alll this mean, well: The roots line is designed to work with coco and the only product one should be careful with is our HPK product which has an NPK of 0-5-4. In fact being coco people we digned the HPK for use with peat based soils and non coco hydro and we designed the HP ( which has a NPK of 0-4-0) for coco-hydro and our potting mixes."

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That's an interesting perspective on K in coco to consider. Canna nutrients uses a good amount of K in their coco nutrients (3%) the NPK of their Coco nut's is 5-4-3 and they suggest one shot of PK 13/14 (6ml/gal) at the 3rd week of bloom (small fruit develop).

 

[relic1981]

I was under the impression Trinity was not a Liquid Karma like product, but more of a carboload/sweet leaf/sweet/mollases thing.... that what it reads like to me (and its what the shop head said.... we all know about shop heads though...)

Either way I didn't like the fact that is made my reservior bubble. NOT GOOD FOR RECIRCULATING/HYDRO IMO
It works great for single application (ie hand feed where nutes mixed each feeding) but I am not going to be using the rest of their line...

goodluck everyone
hope you find what you are looking for

i dont like that either, sweat leaf does it to and i dont like it! ill keep it to my coco grows and not put it in any hydro im doin

 

[sin-seed]

I love the Oregonism and Oregonism XL, both do what they are supposed to. Never tried any other myco's, but they are probably all pretty great.

 

[onegreenday]

Their Ancient Amber is an awesome source of humic for soil grows. I would skip the HP and stay with the HPK as a late harvest bud booster.

Roots Organics claim "a unique organic extraction method"

the RO dose is a little higher than Fulmag

which says it contains magnesium as well;

the RO has no magnesium and is "low molecular weight", whatever that means (i'll post when i find out)

http://www.jhbiotech.com/Product Labels/Fulmag.pdf