White leaf tips on new growth/younger leaves

[mexilandrace]

okay, what's a cp plant? I can't figure that one out. not related I am just a curious MFer.

and the peat wasn't ferted too right?

okay, here is what I would do if I was you, and people may call me the devil for it but whatever.

Go to home depot and pick up some dolomite lime, if they have it, and the smallest container of hydrated lime you can find. There are two types of hydrated lime, but don't worry about that.

top dress with the dolomite lime, then dissolve the recommended amount of hydrated lime and the water the plants.

Hydrated lime is fast acting, the dolomite will take a while to work so the hydrated is for quick.

Quick lime is pretty evil stuff so if it says quick lime no no no make the sign of the cross and run away. Screaming is totally optional.

 

[overmind1632]

CP= carnivorous plant like VFTs, droseras, sarracenias, and nepenthes

No ferts in peat or perlite

I doubt Home depot will stock any gardening supplies in the winter

If things contiune to look bad, I'll pick up some lime at the grocery store

Also, lets assume it is low pH. When low pH occurs, what nute is being locked out that causes top wilt and white leaf tips?

 

[mexilandrace]

sulfur can be, but don't worry about what is what man, it doesn't matter. You need to learn to not try to micro-manage your dirt and just let it grow.

Home depot has hydrated lime 365, even if not in the garden section they use it for masonry work so they always have it.

and I gotta say man, don't wait till it's worse, there is no way your soil isn't acidic you already screwed up one grow, why risk it? I don't know, I don't get why you wanna second guess everything when you aren't experienced.

 

[overmind1632]

Its not the fact that im inexperienced, its more that I'm not convinced but I'll try it since peat moss is quite acidic

I'll go look for the hydrated lime.

Also, isn't it possible to raise the pH just by flushing with plain tap water?

Thanks

 

[mexilandrace]

depends on your tap water, but it won't hold stable like lime will hold it stable.

I guess what I am trying to say is that why wouldn't you be convinced?

The inexperience thing wasn't a shot at you, I am just saying, try the most simple thing first before you go on some random wild goose chase for some micro element.

logically you know the soil should be acidic based on the materials used, so the very first thing I would think is lime, because it helps maintain the correct ph range in soil.

simple first, then get all anal about it, you are gonna drive yourself crazy the way you are going about things.

I hate for people to have trouble with their grows, and I hate when someone gets frustrated.

 

[overmind1632]

Yeah I am very anal about things I do lol, I strive for perfection when anything wrong occurs

What about adding baking soda to the water or something else like soap? Will that help raise the pH and stabilize it?

I also noticed that there is no lime in this organic choice soil.........cheap..

But there is lime in my previous soil mix that I added to this miracle grow soil

 

[mexilandrace]

I am anal too, I just can't be about growing or I screw my ladies up.

If it came down to it and there was no other choice I would say just use pickling lime from the grocery store. I haven't used it, but I don't know why it wouldn't work.

ya the other soil prolly didn't have enough lime in it to matter much once you mixed it.

 

[overmind1632]

Are we talking about the green lime in the shape of a yellow lemon?

Lime fruit is very acidic isnt it...like ph of 2.0 ish

Will a grocery store even sell limestone lol?

I think ill just pick up baking soda

 

[mexilandrace]

lawls, nah man, in the canning section pickling lime, usually in a green or a blue box, bag, or tub.

 

[overmind1632]

Ah pickling lime also know as calcium hydroxide

Well from my organic chem class, I know hydroxides are basic so yes it would raise the pH

So pickling lime is better than baking soda you'd say?

Also, could you tell me how much pickling lime to put in a 1L of water to effectively raise the pH but not too much?

Thanks mex

EDIT: oh....pickling lime is food grade hydrated lime, perfect

 

[mexilandrace]

iono, I put a tablespoon(total guess, I eyeball everything these days) of hydrated per gallon when I suspect I need it. it looks like it is pretty much the same thing.

in a pinch I just sprinkle like a teaspoon or less(depending on the size of the pot) water it in.

 

[overmind1632]

iono, I put a tablespoon(total guess, I eyeball everything these days) of hydrated per gallon when I suspect I need it. it looks like it is pretty much the same thing.

in a pinch I just sprinkle like a teaspoon or less(depending on the size of the pot) water it in.

I could not find pickling lime for the life of me and neither could any of the employees and random ppl i asked lol...

So I had to get baking soda but I'll flush them with some basic phed water and ill update you guys tomorrow

 

[mexilandrace]

I just did some reading up on baking soda and it just might work

I wouldn't worry too much about flushing, just saturate the soil really well till you get a reasonable runoff.

Maybe go a little light with it, not good to get crazy ph shifts.

 

[overmind1632]

I just did some reading up on baking soda and it just might work

I wouldn't worry too much about flushing, just saturate the soil really well till you get a reasonable runoff.

Maybe go a little light with it, not good to get crazy ph shifts.

Yeah, I'm gonna attempt to raise the pH of my tap water by 0.4 so hopefully that will help

 

[Barf]

dude what are you doing get some dolomite lime, lol .Home depot and lowes BOTH have it right now, you'd be surprised they still have a lot of gardening supplies. I agree with the top dressing, a tablespoon on top with a good watering should do.

 

[overmind1632]

Will do tomorrow, its closed now....so as a temp fix, watered them again with water that has a pH about 7.2 to 7.6 ish as a guess

Even though they look fine as of now from the vinegar water and foiler feeding, hopefully they will continue to look good after the baking soda watering

 

[Kinderfeld]

People do not use miracle grow for this exact reasons. You say you have had great results, did you use MG alone? Was it from seed? Probably not...or at least I would assume not. Miracle grow is too hot, it is too inconsistent and the company is putting their soil out there to make money NOTHING more. So the cheapest, mos readily available contents are used. Will say ocean forest without lime bear the same price on your plants as MG without lime? Not in my experience, and I grew with A LOT of miracle grow organic choice. It is not that MG is bad to GROW in, really any coil you can grow in, but it is about controlling the many variable that each soil has. MG is hard to control becasue of not know what exactly is in it.

This also makes it harder to mix with anything else. The pice money wise of MG is not the only difference...despite what MG and their billion dollar advertising will tell you. In fact I would bet my life they spend more on advertising/stocking stores that are popular with them than actually making their product. Can you have success with MG? Of course no one is saying you can't and that it is possible. But can your grow go a lot more smoothly for the same price without MG? The answer here is 'most likely'. I am not even going into the flushing process...with MG it is a real bitch to flush and your buds still wont taste as great, I can tell you from experience. Will mg work? of course...but the chance it will be a lot harder on the novice grower is a lot higher than any organic soil from the hydro store...this statement is widely accepted amongst growers...this is why we just steer clear of MG altogether.

I was wondering why you would adjust your ph with a bunch of vinigar when you don't even know what your ph is...no one can help you unless you can figure that out. I knew your PH was off and this was the obvious problem,but you need to test your PH regardless about once a week. Get a new mix, add some line and start recovering. If you can try not to sprinkle the lime on and water. You get residue and a HORRIBLE coverage of the lime as far as how evenly is it spread (ie areas int he soild will buffer, ph others will not). Try to mix it in with the soil, sprinkle as a last resort and make sure you get the pulverized/powdered dolomictic lime...to better distribute evenly throughout the soil.

 

[overmind1632]

People do not use miracle grow for this exact reasons. You say you have had great results, did you use MG alone? Was it from seed? Probably not...or at least I would assume not. Miracle grow is too hot, it is too inconsistent and the company is putting their soil out there to make money NOTHING more. So the cheapest, mos readily available contents are used. Will say ocean forest without lime bear the same price on your plants as MG without lime? Not in my experience, and I grew with A LOT of miracle grow organic choice. It is not that MG is bad to GROW in, really any coil you can grow in, but it is about controlling the many variable that each soil has. MG is hard to control becasue of not know what exactly is in it.

This also makes it harder to mix with anything else. The pice money wise of MG is not the only difference...despite what MG and their billion dollar advertising will tell you. In fact I would bet my life they spend more on advertising/stocking stores that are popular with them than actually making their product. Can you have success with MG? Of course no one is saying you can't and that it is possible. But can your grow go a lot more smoothly for the same price without MG? The answer here is 'most likely'. I am not even going into the flushing process...with MG it is a real bitch to flush and your buds still wont taste as great, I can tell you from experience. Will mg work? of course...but the chance it will be a lot harder on the novice grower is a lot higher than any organic soil from the hydro store...this statement is widely accepted amongst growers...this is why we just steer clear of MG altogether.

I was wondering why you would adjust your ph with a bunch of vinigar when you don't even know what your ph is...no one can help you unless you can figure that out. I knew your PH was off and this was the obvious problem,but you need to test your PH regardless about once a week. Get a new mix, add some line and start recovering. If you can try not to sprinkle the lime on and water. You get residue and a HORRIBLE coverage of the lime as far as how evenly is it spread (ie areas int he soild will buffer, ph others will not). Try to mix it in with the soil, sprinkle as a last resort and make sure you get the pulverized/powdered dolomictic lime...to better distribute evenly throughout the soil.

I agree with your statements on MG

My tap water is 7.4 pH
Run off now currently from plants after vinegar and baking soda treatments are about 7.2ish

Run off from soil untreated is also 7.2ish so it wasn't too low