Help me choose a gel, im picking it up tomorow

[lordbudly]

Hello, I'm going to the hydro store tomorrow and its a far way away and i hope i can choose the best product so i dont have to do another long trip, so please take a look at and tell me which one of these is best, the throw up is between dynagro and rootech, they also have clonex, but its in packets and im not sure how that would go about?? thank you very much in advance

Best Regards,

Lordbudly

edit, quick note, 15ml packets of clonex is 5 bucks, 2oz of dynagro is 12.50 and 4 oz of rootech is 19.99 incase you guys didnt want to visit site

 

[NiteTiger]

If it was me, I'd be spending that $20 on nutes or a PH meter or something, and just keep cloning them without hormone

And bro, you need to edit that link out. That's not some random chain shop, that's a one store operation, and you just announced on a pot growing site that you're going to be at that exact address tomorrow.

I sure as hell wouldn't go now. Thank God I don't use rooting hormone!

 

[lordbudly]

haha thanks i did, never thought of it like that, anyways, im also buying nutes, the thing is, i NEED hormones, i have tried bubble and aero and other diy cloning methods, no luck, mushy stems, dead leaves, domes and all, so if you could just help me choose that would be great, thanks

 

[cellardweller]

stick with the clonex.
tried and true the world around..

 

[littlebud]

all that shit is over rated in my humble opinion...use proper conditions and get roots in 7 days with no hormone...just moist medium...i think that every grower should master cloning...in my humble opinion you are not a grower until you do...you master cloning and your yields will destroy others...you get to know the plant and what it needs...let me assure you that clone gel is not needed at all for any cut...peace

 

[ureapwhatusow]

if your gonna spend money on a stimulant try botanicare power clone gel and clone solution, with rockwool i get a strong mass of visable roots under a week in each tray with 2 t5s as a light source

or you can use roottech BUT it far too strong out of the jar IMO and will make your clones take much longer to root

I diluted roottech 50% wth water and were rooted a few days had viourous roots showing in 5 days

this is roots with roottech 5 days efter it was cut



i just used the diluted root tech wiht cuts in jsut perilite and hae small visable roots coming of the stem in 4 days .5"

now you can use no nutes or make your own, it all depends on what you consider your opportunity cost to be

for me it would cost at least 350.00 a zip with a hook for anything id want to smoke

so getting real strong healthy root growth so i can go from cut to rooted cut with stong visable growth in 5-7 days, and then only having to veg for 7-10 days gives me a 2 to 2.5 week window to get a cut to flower. so in my eyes, stimulants when used correctly give a benefit that can be measured in time which over the cost of a few years means a few more bags of meds ill never have to buy again so i dont mind spending the 20$

I think its safe to say i will get at least 1000 cuts (im being very conservative) from a jar of root tech if its diluted 50% which makes it .02 cents per cut approximately

now lets figure this

if it takes 1 week to clone with out (7 days) 3 weeks ver (21 days) and 9 weeks flower for the averge strain (63 days)

7+21+63 = 91

now lets create a calculation to figure out how much 91 days costs in grow time

i am using bullshit numbers but they shoudl be fine for example

if each zip is would cost 300 at a dispensery say and you get 1.5 per 1000 watt and your using 1 light

91 days would get you 1.5 pounds of medacine that you woudl pay 7200 dollars for

7200/91 = 79.120879120879120879120879120879 dollars

now we have to dd so reltivity here

if you are only doing 1 grow in your life it doesnt have the same meaning as if you are growing for chronic illness and will be doing it over longer period of time

less time = lower cost, electric etc

so maybe 80 bucks a day is a bit inflated but .02 a cut isnt a bank breaker either


just my .02 cents

 

[cellardweller]

I agree that hormones are a crutch. But, for the beginning cloner, until he understands what he is doing, I don't think it can hurt.

 

[Indica Jones]

Save money and buy Rootone. Old school stuff way before Clonex.

 

[lordbudly]

I am gonna go with rootech then, i would do clonex, but the whole packet thing is kind of iffy, and the dilution thing, great tip thanks, ill probably do my dilute into a presciption pill bottle and keep the rest in the original jar in the freezer, and yes i am a begining cloner

 

[greengorillaz]

willow tea, works like a charm. Cut a few small willow branches into segments, boil in water, let cool, dip, and stick into rockwool cubes. Save your time and money, go find a weeping willow.

 

[NiteTiger]

willow tea, works like a charm. Cut a few small willow branches into segments, boil in water, let cool, dip, and stick into rockwool cubes. Save your time and money, go find a weeping willow.

Or go ahead and by the pre-concentrated version, known as aspirin.

I stand by not using hormones. Hormones may or may not SPEED rooting, but if all your clones are dying in a bubble cloner, hormones ain't your problem.

 

[badugi]

I use hormones because that's the way I was taught and I'm not about to rock the boat at this moment. I've done many types of cloning

I've used several different gel products including Advanced Nutrients' Clone It (got three free 2oz jars), Clonex, and Dyna-Gro's Rooting gel (4oz sample). I didn't like Dyna-Gro's and AN's so much, I thought it was too thick. Got same or similar results w/ Clonex, and a bottle lasts noticeably longer.

A 2oz bottle of Clonex is $15, and if I had to guess I'd say I make more than 1000 clones per. I've never checked the price of the 4oz bottle, as the 2oz bottle lasts me long enough... but probably a better price point, maybe something like $23 - $25?

 

[Lean Green]

I take a my cuts throw them in a cup of water and smoke a joint. Then I sick them in small cups of coco.
No root gel necessary.

 

[DirtyFreddy]

Save money and buy Rootone. Old school stuff way before Clonex.

wow i havent seen or heard of that stuff in 10 years!

 

[FreezerBoy]

Hormones may or may not SPEED rooting, but if all your clones are dying in a bubble cloner, hormones ain't your problem.

There's only ONE way to clone correctly, and that's whatever way gives you roots. Using a bubbler "properly" has given me a 500% failure rate. 5 times it killed EVERYTHING! With gel and Hormex, 100% success.

Personally, I prefer gels to powder. I've been using the same bottles for 7 years now

 

[littlebud]

let me assure you that the ones who step outside of the box truly learn this wonderful hobby inside and out...open mind to what you are doing and the plants are teaching you when growing...we all have the ability to be scientist and do experimenting in this wonderful hobby... if we stay set and stagnant in our taught ways then are yields and wisdom will as well...peace

I use hormones because that's the way I was taught and I'm not about to rock the boat at this moment. I've done many types of cloning

I've used several different gel products including Advanced Nutrients' Clone It (got three free 2oz jars), Clonex, and Dyna-Gro's Rooting gel (4oz sample). I didn't like Dyna-Gro's and AN's so much, I thought it was too thick. Got same or similar results w/ Clonex, and a bottle lasts noticeably longer.

A 2oz bottle of Clonex is $15, and if I had to guess I'd say I make more than 1000 clones per. I've never checked the price of the 4oz bottle, as the 2oz bottle lasts me long enough... but probably a better price point, maybe something like $23 - $25?

 

[badugi]

You sound so silly with your philosophical little speech to me. If only you knew what I've tried and haven't tried.

 

[FreezerBoy]

let me assure you that the ones who step outside of the box truly learn this wonderful hobby inside and out...open mind to what you are doing and the plants are teaching you when growing...we all have the ability to be scientist and do experimenting in this wonderful hobby... if we stay set and stagnant in our taught ways then are yields and wisdom will as well...peace

I'm sorry but, this is a load of specious nonsense. You can't tell someone to step outside the box and then dis them for trying new things.

 

[ureapwhatusow]

let me assure you that the ones who step outside of the box truly learn this wonderful hobby inside and out...open mind to what you are doing and the plants are teaching you when growing...we all have the ability to be scientist and do experimenting in this wonderful hobby... if we stay set and stagnant in our taught ways then are yields and wisdom will as well...peace

i agree 100% with trying different things in the grow game

as far as cuts

i have a 99.999999999% suvrival rate with or wihtout hormones ect

BUT the time, which ive seen a difference with side by side with and without hormones is different enough that in my case i have found relative cause to include it in my arsenal

justified through use and observation

your previous comments such as MAY OR MAY NOT SPEED UP means its an unqaulified assertation, one that if you had done side by side you woudl have a quailified answer

 

[littlebud]

ok apparently you didnt get my little speech

You sound so silly with your philosophical little speech to me. If only you knew what I've tried and haven't tried.