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Rosy Cheeks

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I found this text on another web site, the advice might come handy to all you roadracers out there. It pretty much goes in line with a few other threads, but still it's worth repeating.
Mod, feel free to put this in Security & Legal Issues if you think it's the right place for it.


I have been pulled over for various infractions over the years but I have never received a ticket (not even when I was doing 67 in a 45.) I always get away with verbal warnings because I learned a long time ago how to deal with the police. I have provided this knowledge to many skeptical acquaintances over the years but I am unsure how many, if any, ever heeded my advice.

Since, the people here at ATS have provided me with countless enjoyable hours I thought I would try to return the favor in my own small way.

Most of my experience dealing with the police is in the form of night-time traffic stops and the occasional foot-patrol just asking a few questions. I am not a police officer nor are any of my family members officers.

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So you see a cop car up ahead?

First things first, don't automatically (reflexively) brake when you see a cop car. This sends the wrong message to an officer. You are basically saying, "I was trying to get away with breaking the law but I am not the kind of person who takes any responsibility for my choices."

The key here is to remember that POLICE ARE PEOPLE. First impressions are even more important to police because their job requires that they form opinions on people quickly and accurately or they could be dead.

Also, don't think that just because the cop is in front of you that he can't see your brake lights! At night, you can make out the red glow even from in front of the vehicle.

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Uhoh, flashing lights!

Second thing, when you are pulled over: Signal your intentions; Put the car into park; Turn on the Hazard Lights; Turn off the engine; Then place BOTH HANDS on the steering wheel. If you can, crisscross your arms so that your left hand is on the right side of the wheel and your right hand is resting on the left side of the steering wheel.

The key here is that POLICE ARE PEOPLE. The same old saying about wild animals applies to a police officer: Cops are more afraid of you than you are of them.

Why? Imagine you just pulled a car over, at night. You are alone - backup is 15 minutes away - with an unknown person inside a 1 ton weapon and with an unknown quantity of weapons at their disposal inside the car. Wouldn't you be extremely hyped up, nervous, and/or cautious?

Anything you can do to make the police officer feel safer helps YOU. Show him you are no threat and marvel as he treats you almost as you would treat your neighbor.

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Greeting the officer.

Third, getting the first word in is important but care must be used in choosing your words. You want to use a friendly tone and make it sound as if the officer is doing YOU a favor. My favorite line is, "Good evening, Officer." Simple, obvious, and easy to say without sounding too nervous. By uttering these words first, and using respectful language you guarantee that you will be treated with respect in return.

The point is that POLICE ARE PEOPLE. Don't ever say, "I didn't do anything wrong." because it makes you sound guilty and avoid "What did you pull me over for?" because you really shouldn't be questioning an officer.

When you do this properly, you mentally disarm the police officer. He no longer sees you as a stereotypical trouble maker - just a person like him. At this point, you will notice that the officer has taken his hand away from his holster because he no longer sees you as a threat. He may even crack a grin and lighten up his tone of voice.

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Interrogation.

Fourth, answer his questions as honestly as possible. If a cop asks, "Do you know why I pulled you over?" be honest but stay respectful, "Yes, I was speeding officer." If he follows up with "Why were going so fast?" don't make lame excuses but instead follow with, "There was no one on the road and I just wanted to get home."

If the cop asks, "Do you know how fast you were going?" Tell him exactly how fast you were going. This proves to the officer that you were aware of your speed and in control of your vehicle. Saying "Um, I am not sure." is just another way of saying, "I was driving recklessly because I didn't even know my speed."

The point is, once again, that POLICE ARE PEOPLE and nobody likes being lied to.

You may not realize this but by being honest and direct you are giving the police officer a sense of empowerment. He now can decide if he should be lenient or strict. This is a great thing for you because the police officer has probably already ticketed 20 people tonight without any real choice in the matter. Now you have given him the opportunity to choose to let you go with a warning.

The one question I don't answer honestly is "Where were you headed?" because I don't feel it is any of their business. I have found telling the officer that I am either on my way to or returning home from a cousin in some nearby town always works. Know your local geography.

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Finally, even if the officer does decide to give you a ticket. THANK HIM. He was doing you a favor whether you realize it or not. The next person he pulls over might have been the person who would have killed you.

You will be surprised how this can come back to help you. It might help in court if you choose to contest the ticket or it might help the next time that cop pulls you over. You can't predict how or when it will come back to you but trust me it will.

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I hope this procedure helps others as often as it has helped me.

Jon
 
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PermaBuzz

Thats good sound advice, Rosy, and I do those things myself in the hopes they go easy on me - but you know what?, they still almost never cut me a break anyway. ....Or the "break" might be a 10 over the speed limit instead of 15. Big whoopy doo.

Like you said, theyre human. Which is why a good looking female stands a much greater chance of getting a big break - Ive seen it happen too many times. Similarly, junky cars get treated worse. And the darker your skin or the stranger your name sounds, the less chance you'll get the coveted "break."

Your advice is still good to follow though regardless.
 

JLP

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If you use the emergency brake it doesn't set off the brake lights.

JLP
 

neuroherb

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I wouldn't be making any comments which accept guilt even if you were doing 100 mph. Be polite yes but never accept guilt as it makes it impossible for a lawyer to defend the case properly and shows you know the law but choose to disregard it, not likely to help you with the beak if you end up fr sentencing.
 

SomeGuy

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What Neuroherb said.

Be polite, but never admit guilt.
If they are asking questions they are collecting evidence that can and will be used against you in court.

I also notice the OP "Jon" didn't get asked the most vital question, "Do you mind if we search your vehicle?" Wonder what he'd recommend for that one.....
 

Crazy Composer

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What you do is... pull out yer NINE and pop him in the knee, make a run for the border and live the outlaw life with a Philipino hooker. Simple. :)
 
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Rosy Cheeks

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SomeGuy said:
Be polite, but never admit guilt.
If they are asking questions they are collecting evidence that can and will be used against you in court.

I also notice the OP "Jon" didn't get asked the most vital question, "Do you mind if we search your vehicle?" Wonder what he'd recommend for that one.....

I can agree to that if we're talking serious guilt, such as responsability in a traffic accident, then admitting guilt is a no-do. Let your lawyer handle your defense.

But if we're just talking about being pulled over for whatever reason, then playing along and admit to what the officer knows damn well that you've done - in this example speeding - then this can help defuse the situation. Remember, it's not about the ticket he may or may not give you, it's about acting as a responsible citizen, in order to avoid the 'reasonable suspicion' that could incite the officer to search your vehicle.

As Jon said, nobody likes being fed lies. If I was a Police Officer, I'd fuck up your day just for that.
 

Hydro-Soil

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Rosy Cheeks said:
I found this text on another web site, the advice might come handy to all you roadracers out there. It pretty much goes in line with a few other threads, but still it's worth repeating.
Mod, feel free to put this in Security & Legal Issues if you think it's the right place for it.

Not just for road racers. This info is GREAT to follow when you're having a 30 minute conversation with an officer and a QP is jammed down your pants.
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I've watched too many people take their frustrations with the legal system out on an officer upholding them. Not a great way to deal with any situation.

Be honest (as you can) and don't waffle anything. Treat them as a human and they respond. Simple as talking to a checkout clerk. :)
 
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cbf

I can agree to that if we're talking serious guilt, such as responsability in a traffic accident, then admitting guilt is a no-do. Let your lawyer handle your defense.

Yep, thinking back, I usually got tickets when admitting to speeding etc, and usually got away when I adamately believed I was right, so it makes sense...
 

GrassRoots

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anyone think you'll have an easier time with a cop if you have firefighters memorial plates and a firefighters emergency light on your dash?
 
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Police have told me they appreciate that I turn off the car, place keys on the dash and leave my hands on the steering wheel. They also appreciate it if you have your paperwork together and don't have to hunt for it.

I've been let off a lot with just being polite. They seem to trust you more if you say affirmative instead of yes.... my brother taught me that. Talk their talk and walk their walk and you have a good buddy that's not writing you up.
 

Rosy Cheeks

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GrassRoots said:
anyone think you'll have an easier time with a cop if you have firefighters memorial plates and a firefighters emergency light on your dash?

You can always put this sticker on your bumper...

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Haps

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I never drive with weed any more, but have many stories of cops, right after toking, and no trouble, mostly. Weed and a hooker was a problem hehe. Respectful and honest is the only way to go. Also, a beard, for me is bad, how you appear can fuck you up. I can not pass a blood test, so my policy is to avoid taking one.
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Great advice. I have been pulled over 20+ times in my life, and caught 10+ times with small amounts of weed (less than a 1/4) and I have only had ONE speeding ticket and NEVER been arrested or had any recourse taken with the weed other than having it confiscated (I even got it back once!). It's simply because I have followed those same principals with cops my whole life (and any PERSON actually, we are all the same people as the OP posted). Answer honestly, be respectful. Let THEM make the decisions and ask the questions. Only answer the exact question asked with a short but truthful answer. Yes Sir and No Sir works wonders.
 

Marcellas

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very useful thread!!

i was talking on my cell phone while driving to get a friend a pack of smokes from the store and a cop drives right next to me going the opposite direction.. I stupidly put my cell down right away and tried to hide it, than thought I was ok and kept talking and driving (telling my friend a cop just passed).

A few seconds later I hear that scary "whoop whooop" and see sirens in my mirror. I immediatly turn on my right blinker and slow to a stop at the side of the road. Officer approaced and I say "Good afternoon", asks for liscense and registration as usual and I gave it to him.
.... At this point I'm actually a bit nervous because I stupidly had an ounce I just picked up for my personal X-Mas use and it was right next to me on my arm rest!!!! Stinky stuff too. He asks if I knew why I pulled over and I said "Yes I was talking on my cell phone while driving. I apologize for trying to hide it from you."

He must've caught a wiff of my chronic because he than asks me "When was the last time you smoked?" I stupidly lied and said about a week ago and he asked if I was sure, I said yes sir. He than asked if I had any narcotics in my car (by this point I'm flipping out and I'm sure he could tell I was nervous). I replied "No sir" confidently.

He than asked if I knew this person, I'll call him Bob. I said "Yes, we've been best friends since kindergarden!" (also true, I still hang out with him everyday). Than the officer says stay off your phone, have a nice day. I replied with thank you and slowly pulled away.


I wish I read this before because I would've learned to be more straight forward with the officer, although I was most of the time. Turns out I got lucky and he let me go because the officer was my best friend "Bob's" cousin, and the officer recognized me at family parties!! Lucky break I should be broke and in jail!! :D
 
yea cops suck ass but you know their only doing their job you know just like you have to go fire or layoff or do some other fucked up shit to someone because you boss tells you to and if you dont you get fired their in the same boat i mean i know a few cops that would love to legalize weed i have even had a cop let me keep my weed and you have to think about the good they do i know its hard to see past the bust but could you imagine getting past or into an accident and no cops came to help or even walking down the street with no one to enforce your rights i think they do alot of good and certainly have a purpose
 
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Hal

I also notice the OP "Jon" didn't get asked the most vital question, "Do you mind if we search your vehicle?" Wonder what he'd recommend for that one.....

And an even more important question..."can I test you for THC ingestion?" What is the correct answer for that one?

I remember thinking about this a year or so ago when I first heard that the police had a roadside swab they could stick in your mouth to test for THC. At the time, that test would show positive even if you had ingested THC in the last day or two, so not only would you get busted, you would potentially get busted for driving under the influence when you weren't. More recently, I heard that this roadside test would now only test positive for much more recent consumption of pot.

I was originally prepared to refuse this test if it ever was requested by a cop on the grounds that it could very well test positive even if I had smoked a few days ago. Now, I'm not sure what the dealio is, especially if the test has been improved to only show very recent ingestion.

Anybody know what's up with this issue?
 
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KMK0420

This is something to think about.

When a cop asks you "do you know why i pulled you over?" if you say no, it's not necessarily admitting you were being reckless, you are just unaware of the reason he decided to pull you over. If he says "do you know how FAST you were going" - simply put, say "Yes officer, I was aware." DO NOT give an exact speed...if he then questions you, this is the part where you can tell the truth or lie, depending on how you feel at that moment. If you were going 56 in a 50 and 10 cars in front of you were going 60 and he yanked you because of tinted windows or some shit AND threw in the speeding charge, i would say i was going 54 or something.

Just don't admit you didn't have control of the car and you weren't being reckless. Be friendly with the officer, and whatever you do - do NOT CHALLENGE an officer in any way - IE, question his authority, his intelligence, what HE saw or did, etc. this is just asking for them to be a dick to you. just be polite, if he wants to stereotype you they will, cops are pricks, but sometimes, if youre good, you can toy with a cop's brain and lie through your teeth like a conman and win the battle.

most cops though, especially inner-city cops don't give a shit and will ticket/arrest you no matter what. personal experience.
 
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