wierd color leaves and 21 day's into flowering

[greenhornets]

ive been flowering for 21 days now and the top leaves are starting to turn a wierd color. the color is like a light lime green in between the veins .some of the veins are still green and some look white , but its looks lime green in between the veins .im using one of those sorry tents 4x4, 600 hps ,lights is 24 inches from top of plants.and the tds is around 850. i cant get the tds up any higher. i set the tds at 850 a week ago , it was at 940 today . i added more water to drop the tds to where its at now 850.

also the leaf edges are curled up.. im using flora nova bloom .

what gives, is this normal ? i did change lights about this time ,from a 400 hps to a 600 hps . do you think it could light burn .the light is 24 inches from the top and i cant go any higher.

i will try to get some pics later when the lights come back on ..

 

[delane1]

wonder if you got a cal-mag deficency?? like to see some pics. I use the GH micro and bloom and I've been having some deficencies.

 

[Pirate]

1st of all,
Do Not add anything until you have a good diagnoses of your problem. Trying fix it without know for sure what's the problem can surely make it worse.

2nd:
Do you have a hydro Hut? if so, get those baby's outta ther like yesterday. They give off a posionious gas and are killing plants. Killed mine last April. Do a search on here for Hydro Huts and you'll see what I mean.

We're gonna have to get more info from ya before advice can be given.

What kind of Hut do you have?
What are the air tempatures inside?
What is the Temp at the plant tops?
Do you have ventable hoods or open lamped fixtures?
Hows You ventalation?
System your using? Dirt, Hydro, Aeroponic?
Tap water or RO water
Starting water PPms if using Tap?
Whats your PH at?
Any additives other than regular nutes?
How often do you change the Nutes?
Have you flowered to harvest anything before using the set up you have now?

Photos would be a HUGE help.

I run my 600 watt lights within 12 inches of my tops with no problems.

Pirate

 

[fuzzy]

Add some cal-mag.

 

[HydroFarmer]

Agree with Pirate...we need to see pics...

 

[greenhornets]

hey pirate,man thanks for the help .

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What kind of Hut do you have? habitat
What are the air tempatures inside?75/80
What is the Temp at the plant tops? 77/80
Do you have ventable hoods or open lamped fixtures? vented
Hows You ventalation? ok i guess..i have a 265 squirel cage fan sucking air straight from a window a/c blowing just under the hood and another 265 can fan thats in the tent sucking air from the hood and going to the attic with a elf scrubber.
System your using? Dirt, Hydro, Aeroponic? turbo garden ( small ebb n flo 2x3 tray)
Tap water or RO water .. tap
Starting water PPms if using Tap? 180/220
Whats your PH at? i try to keep it around 5.8/6.0
Any additives other than regular nutes? no just the flora nova bloom
How often do you change the Nutes? 10/14 days
Have you flowered to harvest anything before using the set up you have now? no not yet, but i have veg these clones for around 2 month in the tent.. the funny thing is the clones and the mothers are the same age and the mothers are 3 times bigger than the the ones flowering.they are in a rec dwc buckets. i got rid of the orginal mothers and had to use the clones for flowering and for new moms

. the mom are under a diy cool tube 600 mh and look a shit load better than the one flowering.

ill get some pic up today.

 

[Pirate]

hey pirate,man thanks for the help .

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What kind of Hut do you have? habitat
What are the air tempatures inside?75/80
What is the Temp at the plant tops? 77/80
Do you have ventable hoods or open lamped fixtures? vented
Hows You ventalation? ok i guess..i have a 265 squirel cage fan sucking air straight from a window a/c blowing just under the hood and another 265 can fan thats in the tent sucking air from the hood and going to the attic with a elf scrubber.
System your using? Dirt, Hydro, Aeroponic? turbo garden ( small ebb n flo 2x3 tray)
Tap water or RO water .. tap
Starting water PPms if using Tap? 180/220
Whats your PH at? i try to keep it around 5.8/6.0
Any additives other than regular nutes? no just the flora nova bloom
How often do you change the Nutes? 10/14 days
Have you flowered to harvest anything before using the set up you have now? no not yet, but i have veg these clones for around 2 month in the tent.. the funny thing is the clones and the mothers are the same age and the mothers are 3 times bigger than the the ones flowering.they are in a rec dwc buckets. i got rid of the orginal mothers and had to use the clones for flowering and for new moms

. the mom are under a diy cool tube 600 mh and look a shit load better than the one flowering.

ill get some pic up today.

I repeat: DO NOT ADD ANYTHING until you know exactly whats going on. For some reason people want to through Cal Mag at every problem and that is not the best advice. At this point..........the best advice IMO is to get those plant out of your tent (see below) and to get some photos up. I am not saying that a Cal-mag deficiency is NOT the problem. I am saying that there is no way to know by what you have stated thus far.

If you had photos up you'd pretty much have a diagnosis by now. Every Day that goes by is a day towards death. Get those photos up asap and get rid of that tent.

I didn't believe it myself. But trust me.........These tent WILL KILL your plants. They killed mine and hundreds of others.

Obviously the clones or mothers are NOT in the same tent. Right?
Did you upgrade the wattage of your light when you went to flower in the tent? (a higher wattage lamp may have caused the gasses to be released in the PVC of the tent)


I had many people (trying to help by the way) give me all kinds of advice to add all kinds of stuff. In the end. It was the tent. I lost all these (below)and more.

If this is how your plants are looking. ITS THE TENT !!








Go here:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/search.php?searchid=6006685

PHOTOS with your next post!!!!!!!!!!

Pirate

 

[greenhornets]

Hey pirate, Sorry so long to get pics up. Had to locate the camera. These are 23 days into flowering. I did remove the 600 and replaced it with the diy cool tube 400. I also have it vented. I removed these plants from the tent so I could get a better picture.










.these are all of the same plant . its the tallest and 2 ft from the light . the hood was vented . the leaf edges are curled up .

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these are another plant also in the tent . same age different strain . the rest look about the same as the last 2 pics .

i have about 5 more days till res change . i started the tds at 850 and it climbed to 920 /940 and use maybe a gallon of water b4 i added water to the tub . then it droped to 850 again and today i removed 2 gallons and added back 2 gallon of plain water.
i have a couple of different strain going at once .could it be it needs more feed ??

this pic is from the tent in veg. i was told it was iron , i added alittle more feed and it cleared up










the last pic is from the mother of plant # 4 the 5 above pics


i was told it was iron . this plant is not in the tent .

any thoughts ???

 

[Pirate]

It looks to me as though you have 2 different problems.

The first 4 photos look like the hut problem I was talking about. It seems to be reversed in coloring as mine were, but, It looks very similar. I just can't see you lacking enough iron to do that much damage to the leaf colors. I mean the whole plant is suffering discoloration. Your plant won't use that much iron to miss it that much.

In the last set of photos it could be Iron since it seems isolated to certain ares of the leaf and not the whole plant. It looks like little bit of Nute burn going on too. But it sounds like you have that under control. If you say you treated the mothers for Iron Def and it helped then your good there right?

Are you using 2 tents? One for Veg and 1 for flower?

I hope someone else will chime in here as 2 heads are always better than one and I don't want to be responsible for giving you bad advice. With that said, To be honest with ya, I would definetly get rid of the tents. Did you read the links I posted above. Earlier this year the BAD TENT SYNDROME was a huge deal. Still is, but most people, with me included have switch over to the Jardins (which are better) and don't have the PVC off-gassing issue.

Keep a good rule of thumb in your mind. Its saved my ass many times.
When in doubt, Flush it out.

In other words, its better to flush and start with a fresh nutrient solution than to keep trying to fix the solution you already have. By adding and subtracting and adding again you can cause a lockout of certain nutrients which makes them unavailable for the plant. You stated that you still have 5 days till your nute change. Bad thinking. If you think you need a nute change don't wait till its time. Do it right away. Your plants will love you for it.

I don't want to give you this news but, IF IT ENDS UP BEING THE TENT, you will most likely lose this particular harvest. It took mine a month to recover from the tent damage while in veg. Thats a month to resume regular growth. Yours being in flower will not have enough time for a recovery before they are to be harvested. You could still get a harvest but it will be smaller, lighter and underdeveloped buds. Just a thought to consider.

I would encourage you to get a second opinion. There is a thread here called "Ask The Old Fart". Yup.........you heard me right. Go ask the old fart.(tell him Pirate sent ya) The guy knows his shit. He grows in soil but he's helped me out many times. He resides in the "infirmary". Try posting in that area as well.

I feel ya right about now. I've been there many times.

I hope anything I've said helps.

Pirate

 

[greenhornets]

ehy pirate , ya i read the the post . thats some crazy sh#t about the tents . i wish i would have found out b4 i spent the money on the damn thing .
i think ill finnish this grow and then put up some black and white panda .i have a 8x10 room im working in .
no i only have the 1 tent , i veg the mother in the room and and have the tent in the same room . i veg the clones in the tent for a few weeks then switched to flowering .now 23 day later this is whats going on .

i'll post in the infirmary for (ask the old fart ) also i'll take a couple of more pics of the moms , they are doing great , bushy as hell .

thanks for the help bro . i'll pack the tent up after this grow .

 

[Pirate]

Here's a crazy story.

I was growing 3 or 4 strains.......like 20+ Plants in a hydro Hut. About the 2nd to 3rd weekk I started seeing this "NITROGEN" deficiency. I treated it to no avail. I tried everything you could imagine to try and fix it. My girlfriend says "maybe its that tent you have". I'm like "shut the hell up" Thats stupid" How would the tent cause it?" "Your dumb".(yeah........I stuck my foot in my mouth) So I come on here lookin for help and this dude says "Get your plants out of the Death Tent". I'm like, WHAT ??!!!...............So after some research I find out these freakin tents are killing plants. Crazy...............I still can't figure out how my girl knew that.

Anyway, There are good tents out there. My shop took mine back and swapped it for a Jardin.

If all your plants are doing good except the ones in the tent. I almost guarantee that's your problem.

You said you'll finish the grow in the hut.Well, keep in mind that,IFthe tent is the culprit your plants will not make it that far. They'll be dead in less than 2 weeks. As well as the tent giving off noxious fumes that are dangerous to humans as well.

Let us know how it all works out. (following up will help the next guy down the road by seeing what worked for you)

Pirate

 

[greenhornets]

hey pirate ,if i take the tent down ,then i'll only have one room 8x10. have any thoughts on how i could set up my next grow for two rooms .

the room is rectangle , 10 wide x 8 deep x 7 high. equipment 2 600 hps 1 400 hps
1 600 mh , 1, 465 can / 1, 265 can fan / 1,265 squirel can fan and another small squirelcage fan that i think is 140 .
.i plan on doing a rec dwc how many buckets??
any thoughts ??

 

[Pirate]

i could throw some ideas out to ya.

Where does the door sit in relation to the dimensions? Is it on the 8 foot wall or 10 foot wall and where (foot wise) from one end?

(Example answer: the center of the door is 48 inches from the right on the 10 foot wall) Or: The door is centered on the 8 foot wall).

The reason I ask this is because you want the door to always open into the Mother room. You gain access to the Bloom Room from the mother room when the lights are off. (you can use green light bulbs to work during the dark period). So knowing where the door is helps to design a layout.

With a room that size you could do alot. Depending on what you wanted to do and how much you wanted to produce. My room is 9 feet x 13 feet. I split it in half for a 7 x 9 flower room and a 6 x 9 mother / clone room. It is capable of producing 2.5 lbs every 2 weeks if I wanted it to.

Here's a couple photos showing my set up. I've remodeled a bit since these photos where taken but this will give you an idea.

Mother / flower combo shot:


Flower room only:





Again, Those are old photos of my original set up but that can give you an idea. I now have ventable hoods, wires are all run neat, ventilation installed, etc. I also have 11 foot ceilings so I am able stack my tables. I have 4-3x6 tables. 2 lower and 2 overhead. Each has a 5.5 foot grow space. With a SOG I can get 400 plants in there if I wanted. I never let them get taller than 24 inches (MAX) Usually less than that. You can see the upper shelf supports in the middle photo.

You can do alot with your room. Personally, I would do a perpetual type set up with a harvest every 2 weeks to every 30 days. You would always have mothers, always have clones, always have Pre-flowers, always have budding plants and always have smoke.

Are we having fun yet?

Pirate

By the way: What's the strain your growing?

 

[HydroFarmer]

Hey Green Hornets...I see you trying to get answers to your sick plants and I think the Infirmary may be your best bet on getting more feedback, but you mentioned DWC...

I run a RDWC and have 16 buckets in a space thats about 8 x 6 x7 with no problems. I keep my controller and res outside the grow area for more grow space.

You can see some pics in my signature link.....


Good luck with the plants and like Pirate said...ditch the tent. I remember reading about people having HUGE issues and losing crops because of them....

Peace...

 

[greenhornets]

hey pirate , well i was wrong on the dimensions , it 10x9x7 (LxWxH)and the door is all the way on the left hand side on the 10 ft wall and the door opens to the outside .on the inside theres a window unit ,10000 btu and it keeps temps down really well when the light are on .everything runs 110.
the room is really 10x13x7 . i put up a wall(sheetrock)and ran power from the house to the shed ,oh forgot to tell it's a shed off the house . the sucker is brick with plastor over the brick and that thing is 2 bricks thick . i drilled a hole through the wall so i can drain the tubs without going outside and thought i would never make it threw thr brick ! all the electrical is on the 10 ft wall with the door.the only bad thing about the electrical is i only have few receptacles . i have 3 receptacles on the 10ft wall with door . 1 of the 3 is for just the a/c and one in the cieling for the can fans and 1 more on the back 10ft wall to the left hand side and the last one is in the attic . right now i have a 140 squirel cage fan up there to remove some heat from the attic .from the main door and the door to the room is about 4 ft and there is a hot water heater in there so i vented the attic to that room . i started to run the attic vent to the hot water heater vent that run outside but i couldnt so for now it just comes out the ceiling . theres no main door to the shed . im working on that ,so far i only have it framed in .the house is 75 years old ,2 inch thick plastor wall (old school) no insulation ,man that really sucks , but the shed is a solid 2 brick thick. that make it alittle hard to do wiring . thats why all but 1 receptacle of my wiring is on the 10 ft wall with the door .the timer is a hard wired timer ,only one hard wired timer with 4 plug .

thats about the size of the room with the electrical .
the strain 1 jack herer and 2 haze x skunk . im sexing them now in the tent to find out the sex only since this f@#king tent SUCKS and i have 3 other different strains ( unknown ) i was buying so called KB around here and got seeds out the smoke they called (sinsemilla kb ) KB MY ASS . ONLY THE PRICES (120/130 A 1/4) . I HATE TO PAY THAT MUCH FOR SMOKE .

hey hydrofarmer,ya having sick plants really sucks. i hope i can get some solid advice out of the out of the infirmary, but im really starting to think it's like pirate saying (the tent ). i have a 6 bucket RDWC and they look great. im just hoping its not becuase i spent money on that thing . ya know .
i came across another post some one had , you had post in there and checked out your sig link in there . thats a sweet system . nice clean setup . props to ya . after you added the other 4 buckets how close together are they . with the 7ft ceiling how long are you vegging . how tall do they get after flowering?oh ya i like the little wall you put up to get light to the lower node ..

thanks again pirate / hydrofarmer ..

 

[HydroFarmer]

after you added the other 4 buckets how close together are they . with the 7ft ceiling how long are you vegging . how tall do they get after flowering?oh ya i like the little wall you put up to get light to the lower node ..

I probably have about 3 inches of space between all my buckets which is plenty of grow space because the netpots are in the center of each lid...This run I have going now is from see so they vegged about a month and a half before I flipped them to 12/12. I am thinking they will probably get to about 3 or 4 feet before they stop, but I looked last night and saw two big girls showing preflowers......so all is well....and those reflector panels are just some framing with the Ultrareflect stapled all around...since I am running the 400's..and they don't penetrate the canopy well enough to hit the lower nodes...

Peace...

 

[greenhornets]

hey hydrofarmer, thats sound pretty tight 16 buckets in a 4x8. when you start the next round how do you plan on growing them .(style) lollipop or bush . way to go bro ..

 

[delane1]

Good F'N Luck got same problem in DWC. it sucks!!
Half to 1/8 crop !@#$$%^^&&>

 

[greenhornets]

hey delane1 , ya its a apain in my @ss. thaanks for the luck looks like im going to need it .how long has it been going on . whats you tds at .
i cant seem to get mine over 800/850 (tds). when i do raise the tds it starts to climb higher after a few days . before i switched to 12/12 the clones looked good in the tent . then after 14 days i changed the light to a 600 and switched to bloom (flora nova) . went about 5 to 7 day without checking and had this problem .

 

[greenhornets]

i started to flush this morning . how long should i flush ??

.what should i set the tds when i go back with nutes ??
thanks