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Obama Sends Mixed Messages On Marijuana

vta

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URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n1111/a08.html



OBAMA SENDS MIXED MESSAGES ON MARIJUANA

There were moments not so long ago when Barack Obama was signaling that he was ready to end the costly and pointless federal raids on medical marijuana users and their caretakers. In the past few years, those raids have hit Californians particularly hard.

"The Justice Department going after sick individuals using this as a palliative instead of going after serious criminals makes no sense," he said in New Hampshire last year. In 2004, he seemed to favor the decriminalization of pot altogether.

On the day Obama was elected, voters in Michigan, by a 63-37 margin, put their state in the ranks of the 12 others that have passed medical marijuana laws since California broke the ice in 1996. On the same day, Massachusetts voters approved a measure that decriminalized possession of small amounts of pot altogether. Both votes should have helped Obama to get off the fence. But recent reports that Obama was considering Rep. Jim Ramstad, a moderate Minnesota Republican who's retiring from Congress, for the post of White House drug czar, send a very different message.

Ramstad, a recovering alcoholic, has been cheered as the sponsor of laws requiring insurers to cover drug treatment and mental health services. But he also voted for federal funding bans on needle exchanges and strongly opposed measures to stop federal arrests of medical marijuana patients in states like California where its use is legal.

There are reasons for Obama, like many other politicians, to be skittish about the issue. He's acknowledged drug use in his past. He doesn't want to trip on the matter when he has countless tougher things to deal with in his first years in office.

But since millions of Americans are beginning to understand that the pursuit of medical marijuana patients, and maybe much of the rest of the drug war, is and has long been a self-defeating exercise, maybe it's time for a little hard rethinking.

The biggest beneficiaries of the drug war are the criminal cartels that process, import and market the stuff, the terrorists who tax it, and the multibillion-dollar narcotics repression machinery that for 70 years has always been its biggest advocate.

Last week the nation marked the 75th anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition, another misbegotten experiment in social sanitation whose greatest legatees were the organized crime syndicates that began operations as bootleggers in the 1920s.

What became the federal law that effectively outlawed marijuana was enacted in 1937, four years after Prohibition ended. Credit that to two men. One was Harry Anslinger, who, as head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, was building his empire. The other was newspaper tycoon William Randolph Hearst, whose paper mills were competing for pulp sales with hemp growers in Mexico.

The message was the threat of "reefer madness," a fabricated myth echoed by Hollywood and other papers that pot drove users to rape, murder and mayhem. Worse, it was a Mexican drug ( also used by blacks, jazz musicians and other disreputable people ). It became an additional weapon in the 1930s campaign to deport and exclude Mexicans.

Congress acted on marijuana a generation after the first state outlawed the drug. That state was Utah, from which some Mormons had moved to northwest Mexico after their church banned polygamy. When their hopes for their Mexican settlements didn't pan out, many returned in 1914-15, bringing cannabis back with them. The church quickly banned it as against the Mormon religion, and the Utah Legislature quickly followed.

According to the FBI's latest crime report, among the nation's 1.8 million drug busts in 2007 were 775,000 for simple possession of marijuana for personal use. That 1.8 million is roughly triple the number of arrests for violent crime. Fewer than 20 percent of the arrests were for sales or production.

Drug control isn't a simple issue: Drug policies in Europe vary all over the lot, although none is as punitive as ours. Last week, the Swiss approved the indefinite extension of that nation's medically supervised heroin administration program, created to get addicts off the streets, while at the same time rejecting a proposal to decriminalize marijuana. The Swiss like neat streets.

But what reformers call "harm reduction" - meaning reducing all harm - is assuredly a better course than criminalizing everything.

Where does a good society draw the lines between personal responsibility, treatment of addicts, and rigid criminal sanctions? How willing are we to disrupt productive lives and families, how much are we willing to pay for what benefit? How much could drug-related crime be reduced with smarter policies? With the exception of the drug control establishment, how many of us believe that we have a successful cost-efficient system that should be left as it is? Californians, along with the other medical marijuana states, have taken a little leadership. The least the feds could do now is leave us alone.
 
Thanks for the great post! I am hoping since we now have 13 medical MJ states that soon there will be no choice for the federal government to reconsider this issue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some interstate commerce law that they are using to keep this illegal?

As for what are people willing to do? I am afraid people these days do not stand up for what they believe in..... When I lived in Nevada a few years ago they had a decriminalization measure for MJ which lost by about 4 points. I had friends who smoked that did not both to vote because they thought their vote didn't count or they were just too lazy or "busy" which means lazy to me.

I have spent considerable amount of time thinking about what we as people can do to help this but am unsure of the best course of action..... What I do know is that people spreading the information such as you are doing can only help the cause, Keep up the good work!

:rant:
 

zingablack

livin my way the high way
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great post very informative.

smokesalot. i know what you mean when people saying they arent gonna vote. i know a guy that said voting doesnt do anything so why should i. pissed me off. thats why we live in FUCKING AMERICA. i love the fact that we have even a tiny minute say in what happens in the govt is awesome.

i believe when 3 or more states get mmj in the same election than it will start the ball rolling. but were on the right track.
 

Uncle Remus

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I agree with you zinga, but to a point...Presidential elections are determined by the Electoral College...Many peeps are misinformed in regards to this...Popular vote doesn't mean crap IMO...Whoever gives the most $$$ to the EC is gonna win, i don't care what you believe, that's the truth

Also don't forget where Obama comes from...Chicago, IL is where he supposedly cut his teeth in politics...And you see where IL politicians go don't you? Prison...Blagovich, Ryan, and quite a few other Chicago/IL politicians have ended their careers in Federal Prison...But fear not Obama is safe...See below

I'm sure lots of people would be dead right now if certain persons knew that other certain persons had any "real" damaging info on Obama...Remember what happened with Clinton and the Whitewater incident? Peeps ended up dead in mysterious ways...Get the picture
 

Uncle Remus

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vta Worse, it was a Mexican drug ( also used by blacks, jazz musicians and other disreputable people ). It became an additional weapon in the 1930s campaign to deport and exclude Mexicans.

A little more detail

The main reason MJ was outlawed in Utah and some of the other western states was because many of the immigrant workers who came up from Mexico for work smoked and grew their own MJ...After harvest season was over many of these Mexicans didn't move back...Utah and some of the other states outlawed MJ in order to help facilitate the removal of these immigrant workers because they were taking away jobs (sounds familiar even today) and were basically a nuisance (I think Arizona and NM were also in on it)...Those found growing or in possesion of MJ were then deported, and considering MUCH of the male Mexican work force used/grew MJ this was seen as just another tool to have them removed

Also thought I would mention that Gov. (?) Laguardia (spelling?) from NY actually helmed a study on the harmful effects of drugs and in particular MJ...His findings were, like so many other studies, MJ was pretty "harmless"...No addiction, no short term health problems, ect, ect...But those findings were brushed under the table so that Hearst and his "buddy" could ramrod through the laws that outlawed MJ and many other recreational drugs...Not to mention that Hollywood got in on it just as you mentioned above

Even back then big $$$ got things done...Just like it does today
 
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vta, I too am concerned about the lack of progressive appointments by our new president. I supported obama hoping that he would disallow any continued federal effort to override the will of the people. His behavior and statements in the past give hope, but action speaks louder than words.
 

Uncle Remus

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I'd also like to see Obama give/donate some of the leftover campaign money I'm sure he has...Shit I think in Sept. he raised like $270 million just in one month...Imagine what he raised for his whole campaign, Presidential and Demo Nom...Had to be close a Billion...SHEESH

Oh yea, I forgot that lots of that $$$ went to the EC and who knows where else...Silly Uncle Remus

Not sure but i think he get's to keep any leftovers from his campaign for himself, if I'm not mistaken...Just as long as he pays the taxes on it, and Blagovich doesn't roll over on him
 
"Cash Rules Everything Around Me, Cream get the money...."

Its a Golden rule! I hate to say, but we really need this financial crisis to hit bottom. I mean Rock bottom just like the great depression, without the depression alcohol would still be prohibited. When Uncle Sam starts loosing huge tax revenue, there will be no choice but to legalize and tax. I would like all drugs legalized and taxed, it would be much safer for society and a lot of money can be kept in the country instead of being shipped to drug cartels all over the world. Don't get me wrong I know there are a lot of dangerous drugs, but regulating who gets the drugs and whats in them is lot safer than getting smack from some dude on the street.

What we need is a face, to get this movement going. When I hit the megamillions jackpot tomorrow full steam ahead.

If you haven't done so get over to Change.gov and vote for this question

“Will you consider legalizing marijuana so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it, and create millions of new jobs and create a billion dollar industry right here in the U.S.?”

We need more votes
 
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Great, it looks like the question about Mary Jane is going to be number one for the Open forum on Change.gov. It currently has the highest number of votes and the highest percentage for Yes (82%). I won't get my hopes up until I hear what the response is from the transition team. Thanks for voting :rasta:
 

peacenik

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I don't pay sales taxes on any of my other prescription drugs so why should I pay it on medical cannabis? Let's try to move past these "sin taxes" (alcohol, cigarettes, etc) by not supporting more taxes.
What about stopping corporate subsidies & other corruption instead of making us poor folks pay? Haven't patients been punished enough already? It almost borders on extortion when you're paying your government to leave you alone, which is what you're basically doing.
 
^^dude are you kidding? id rather have weed be legal and taxed than illegal.. you can still grow your own free of taxes only jobs and stuff wont be able to piss test you for weed anymore because its a legal substance... i agree taxes suck but if thats what it takes to be legal. even with taxes it would still be cheaper than the blackmarket taxes...an ounce of plant matter cost more than an ounce of gold thats ridiculous.. also is that change.org site an official obama site like the other one that was posted? if it is than there is no way he is going to be able to ignore it #1!!!!!!...
 
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pimpjuice

pretty interesting seeing how many questions out of the top 30 deal with marijuana legalization. Hopefully the transition team will actually broach the issue and not ignore it.
 

Deft

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I bet they say its just Internet spam and ignore it.. Just like the ron paul polls.
 
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pimpjuice

Deft said:
I bet they say its just Internet spam and ignore it.. Just like the ron paul polls.

unfortunately I think you'll probably be right.
 

I2KanGrow

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Well, Obama's reply to the change.gov question has been posted: disappointing, yet really not too surprising. Check it out HERE! .

Here's a copy/paste of the question and answer:

Q: "Will you consider legalizing marijuana so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it, and create millions of new jobs and create a billion dollar industry right here in the U.S.?" S. Man, Denton

A: President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana.

So, the next logical question to the future Mr. President needs to be "Would you be willing to allow the American people to decide this personal issue, during the next election cycle, in the form of a referendum?"

It would be a smart move for Obama to consider Americas' voice in this matter, we'll see how this shakes-out!
 

Charg5152

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I have truly grown to hate, and I mean hate, my country's politicians. The little faith that I have in our system is slowly turning into anger at their ignorance, and the common man's lack of any opinion/ power at all. Land of the free...ha!
 

VirginHarvester

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There's a difference between state and federal laws though. If a state allows private use, x number of plants, or a set amount to be in your possession I expect the Fed Gov to accept that and not interfere, except to the extent MJ is not found or contributory to larger federal issues in a case. If a house is full of MJ plants, gobs of money, and whatever else during a federal investigation MJ probably becomes part of their crime, and it probably should be.

Ultimately, I think it's going to become a state issue. But even if your state legalizes or decriminalizes it there are still going to be issues like driving under the influence etc.

I suspect what Obama is saying is that he has much bigger fish to fry and has no intention of legalizing it on a federal/national level. But I seriously doubt he's going to interfere with state's rights to decide.

Charg5152, I read a report that says our current government is attempting to get state support to have a Constitutional convention to alter the country as we know it. Given some of Obama's twisted views of what's wrong with the Constitution that just flat out floors me. I can only imagine what some of our loony officials really want to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

These people, this government we have, just don't understand how much they have already done wrong. That they are trying to create a welfare state and have such twisted views of the government's role in business affairs(private sector) is beyond belief. I see bad bad things in the future if Obama Reid and Pelosi truly have their way. Hard to believe Republicans might end up not looking all that bad in about four years.
 
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