Radical idea. Arrest the feds?

[guest]

Can federal law enforcement violate state law just because they are feds?

Just which state laws are they allowed to violate?

Forcefully removing marijuana from a med patient in a med state ..

They are in posesition of a controlled substance.
They are in violation of diversion laws.
They are guilty of theft.

Who would be willing to preform a citizens arrest?

Is it possible for a federal law enforcement officer to violate state laws? Clearly yes.

If each federal law enforcement officer could go to jail, how many would be willing to risk it?

 

[guest]

Does a badge give you the right to break the law?

 

[Tony Aroma]

I've wondered about this too. For example, if the feds are raiding a dispensary why can't the dispensary owner call the local cops and have them arrested? After all, they are in violation of state law, which makes them just a bunch of thieves and thugs with guns. How is the feds walking in and taking medicine at gun point any different than a guy with a gun robbing a convenience store? Aren't state and local law enforcement officials required to uphold the laws of their state? Maybe the recent case that was not heard by the US Supreme Court will make this sort of thing possible.

 

[Green Wizard]

I would most definitely attempt to perform a citizens arrest. Just for the principle and the entertainment of the idea.

 

[guest]

After all, they are in violation of state law, which makes them just a bunch of thieves and thugs with guns. How is the feds walking in and taking medicine at gun point any different than a guy with a gun robbing a convenience store?

Exactly.

The feds are forcing federal law onto CA citizens at gunpoint.

In violation of CA law.

Why do they get to break marijuana laws in CA?

 

[rootfingers]

Although I wish it weren't so, federal law trumps state,municipal,county all of it.

 

[kmk420kali]

Although I wish it weren't so, federal law trumps state,municipal,county all of it.

Sorry, but that is not true-- If that was true, then all State, County, and Municipal Laws and Codes would be effectively nullified--
The United States Supreme Court just the other day said that it is not the job of Local Police to uphold Federal Law...and is forcing Garden Grove to give back Medicine that was illegally taken--
In light of that, this could be a possible issue, that Feds have no right to violate local laws...This is a fight between the State and the Feds...Citizens who are in compliance with State Laws should be represented by their State AG Office--

 

[guest]

In light of that, this could be a possible issue, that Feds have no right to violate local laws...This is a fight between the State and the Feds...Citizens who are in compliance with State Laws should be represented by their State AG Office--

Again. If fed leo's were being arrested wouldn't they stop?

 

[Cascadia]

The feds enforce federal law, the state enforces state law, if you are busted by state/county/city police you have protection in a state(or lower court) court. If you are busted by a Federal agent you go to a federal court, where you have no protection.

The medical Marijuana laws only protect you from state and lower powers, Federal agents opperate under Federal law and do not reconize state laws that conflict with federal law.

In essence, state laws that conflict with federal laws can exist, and be enforced by the state, if you are wrongfully charged by a state or lower law enforcement, you can beat it in state or lower court, but the state courts and law have no power over federal agents, you will have no defence in a federal court.

 

[Cascadia]

So in short.......trying to preform a citizens arrest on a DEA agent will get you any combonation of the following:

1.Your ass arrested(likely)
2. Your ass shot
3. Your ass Tazed
4. Your ass in a federal pen for X number of years

 

[guest]

So you are saying that a badge is a blank check to break the law?

 

[Micro420]

I would most definitely attempt to perform a citizens arrest. Just for the principle and the entertainment of the idea.

Go right ahead. We'll see you on national news. They would spray you with lead and their cause "assualt on federal official".

 

[Guest]

So you are saying that a badge is a blank check to break the law?

Yeah that pretty much describes America..... at least during my lifetime.

 

[ureapwhatusow]

I have stated the options before but they were dismissed

you cant arrest the DEA the Feds but you sure as shti can challenge them every step of the way with law

Most big corporations pay interest groups (very proficient lawyers) to champion a cause (i.e. create enough legal hell to cripple any effective challenge your cause)

its not impossible to bury leo in lawsuits and for the supposed billions in taxes there are to be made taxing weed it would be smarter if the community came up with a way to fund a legal spearhead against the actions of the FEDs

this is not how NORML or other orginizations work

but its certainly legal, but i doubt that the community has that type of resolve

 

[cktRAVEl]

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[Haps]

It is the guns that make it difficult. Any large group of motivated individuals can overpower and arrest cops, but they tend to shoot if ya give them a chance. It is possible for the people to rise up and take control, but not for any long term of time.

Here, they kill at will, and the courts cover it up. The world ain't fair bud. Cops are cops cause they want to break the law, they are above it, part of the thrill.
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[Flasht2]

Not if there are enough armed citizens and witnesses ready to back you up.
The feds entrap all the time. Maybe its time to trap the feds in a reverse citizens arrest sting. Prepare a legal grow, call it in (this would require inside info to know as to when they were coming. Have the whole thing documented on video and audio devices (just like they do...sneaks). During raid one or two people take the initial arrest(or no one). Wait thirty minutes until the LEO adrenaline (most dangerous drug there is) has gone down and guns are holstered and they are cutting plants. Then swoop in with at least a 5-1 ratio of armed citizens to raiding party traitors and then "We the people" fulfill our constitutional duty to nullify and end their unlawful actions.

Look up Bo Gritz (citizens arrest) and how he helped with the Randy Weaver, Ruby Ridge disaster. As well as Gerry Spence who defended Randy Weaver. These guys are the last American heroes.

I was just reading this thread and all the while thinking "Yes, they obviously are breaking the law, they know it, good luck doing anything about it, especially when there are SO many other laws..scratch that.. Constitutional Rights being disregarded/trampled.."

But then I saw this post. I like it. It's just about crazy enough to work, PLUS, it would seem that it would be the ONLY way to get it to work. Of course there'd still be hell to pay... but ONE act like what you've described would potentially spark a wildfire of similar actions. Of course then you must consider the ramafications... the DEA backlash would be substantial and they'd probably beef up their numbers for the next raids... but I think the point would actually be made.

Then again you'd have to hope that the media would actually pick up the story and run with it. If it got silenced then it would have to break out through YouT00b or something.

I don't know, but that idea just caught me right. You'd have to know what numbers would be coming to arrange any kind of ratio, let-alone a specific 5:1.. but then again if your community is all up for it then I doubt they'd be bringing enough to outdo your community.

The concept isn't novel, but applying it particularly to this situation would be fantastic to see. It only takes one time for the schoolyard bully to get his face kicked in for the rest of the school to realize their combined strength.

I'm sure it's a bit more noble than reality would permit but just imagine our country catching the spark from one singular incident like this. It could cross many boundaries. There would just have to be enough of the citizenry interested to actually start making the changes and reclaiming our country.

That is the area that concerns me the most though. I don't think the majority is ready to take back our country. I think most are settled into this newer governMENTAL society we've all grown up in. (assuming noone over 100 years old is reading this, if so, way to go! hang in there)

Back to the main point... I'd love to see this happen. Even if they aren't arrested, just stopped in their tracks and denied. I wouldn't count on local officers to assist you as they are also "officers" and definitely stand up for each other, but IF you could get your local citizenry to get on board that would be fantastic.

Don't forget our country is already set up for State's rights but obviously you see how that is going. If the state authorities were going to be concerned with preserving the state's rights this wouldn't even be a thread right now. Alas the states have succomb to the same temptations as the general populous of taking federal monetary handouts. Hence our more centralized federal government and extreme lack of state's rights. I'd love to see this reclaimed by We the People.

 

[cktRAVEl]

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[rootfingers]

Barry Cooper is doing something like this for a television show. Not the feds though just crooked cops local i think. He video tapes operations set up to catch the officers breaking the law.

 

[guest]

I was thinking about the arrest of an fed officer after their testimony in federal court. That would provide all the documentation required for the agents own trial in state court and keep everyone out of a lead storm.