GH nutes

[DazhyDro]

Hey whats up everyone, Im going to start growing in soil in couple weeks, and all I have is the general hydroponics 3 part nutes. Can you use these in a soil grow? I thought I heard you could I just want to make sure. And has anyone used these in soil with good results? Thanks y'all

 

[DazhyDro]

anyone?

 

[boudinboy]

I have used the general hydro grow micro bloom in soil (promix) plenty of times it works great

 

[trichomeT]

Have you considered going with a soilless mix? Your GH nutes would work as designed going soilless.

 

[DazhyDro]

Yeah I used to grow hydro, but Im just trying to set up a little soil grow and was wondering if I could use these nutes

 

[Charg5152]

What kind of soil (growing medium) are you planning on using. I use a peat based soiless medium and use GH's flora nova bloom at 2 tsp per gallon as my base nute. It will work just fine, but you should take into consideration what nutrients are present in your soil mix. Depending on your soil's nutrient content you will want to decrease the nutrient dose.

 

[DazhyDro]

I was thinking of picking some fox farm ocean forest up this week.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

You can use the Lucas Formula in soil, no problem.

The options are either water every time with 1/3rd str nutes (which requires pH up or down depending)

or you can water full str every 3rd watering (which is what I do).

It works great!

 

[BigWillyDee]

You can use the Lucas Formula in soil, no problem.

The options are either water every time with 1/3rd str nutes (which requires pH up or down depending)

or you can water full str every 3rd watering (which is what I do).

It works great!

i heard gh nutes were made to be fed every watering.....

 

[MysteryMachine]

I have used An's 3 part which I have heard is the same as GH 3 part. I Feed evey other watering in soil. I would be afraid that feeding every watering with out ever flushing, would cause a salt build up in the soil.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

i heard gh nutes were made to be fed every watering.....

I believe you missed the reference to the Lucas Formula.

Given the choice between who to believe Lucas or General Hydroponics, I'll take Lucas (and his mentor pH) over GH any day.

GH nutes are formulated to work well for a more general purpose application while also allowing fine tuning by varying the amounts of each part you mix.

pH and Lucas spent years testing and working with GH nutes to come up with the 0-8-16 formula (Both veg and bloom). As it turns out the Grow portion is never needed unless you want to duplicate the FloraNova Grow formula.

That one is 15-10-5 for veg. Don't use this formula in low height situations as this will grow trees with big hollow stems.

 

[DeebeeAhhSee]

I use GH three part nutes for my soil medium. No problems whatsoever. No need to go soiless. The cool thing is you can really find what works best for you strain by simply altering amounts of the 3. Just make sure u use the brown 1st and then add the other 2 (orange,green) the brown is the base (basically).
I also use floralicious. A bit more expensive but a little goes a long way.

 

[BigWillyDee]

what i heard came from rez not lucas or GH...it was said (as far as multiple waterings) to think ebb and flow... i just recently started using GH micro/bloom @ 6ml/9ml respectively..i also ended up needing/using 5ml calmag plus although all i really need is the mag,,,,,i feed every watering in promix bx and things seem to be going good....things may be different in soil????i don't know.....just wanted to give another opinion......



also if GH recommends a 3-2-1 veg ratio of G,M,B.. the values of which are:

grow 2-1-6
micro 5-0-1
bloom 0-5-4

doesn't that come out to 16-8-24 which would be a 2-1-3 ratio??????

I believe you missed the reference to the Lucas Formula.

Given the choice between who to believe Lucas or General Hydroponics, I'll take Lucas (and his mentor pH) over GH any day.

GH nutes are formulated to work well for a more general purpose application while also allowing fine tuning by varying the amounts of each part you mix.

pH and Lucas spent years testing and working with GH nutes to come up with the 0-8-16 formula (Both veg and bloom). As it turns out the Grow portion is never needed unless you want to duplicate the FloraNova Grow formula.

That one is 15-10-5 for veg. Don't use this formula in low height situations as this will grow trees with big hollow stems.

 

[Indonesia]

DahzydDro: with ocean forest u wont have to use nutrients for a couple weeks. It can also burn seedling sometimes ime if not mixed down with perlite or promix. hope everything works out

Hydro-Soil: I am wondering what formula you would use for low height situation? I am currently using Rez's Recipe 6/9 micro/bloom in promix hp and coco and can get 3 ft max from soil line and have been flowering at 8-12 inches.

 

[BigWillyDee]

Hydro-Soil: I am wondering what formula you would use for low height situation? I am currently using Rez's Recipe 6/9 micro/bloom in promix hp and coco and can get 3 ft max from soil line and have been flowering at 8-12 inches.

i'm not Hydro-Soil...... but i would switch to flower earlier or maybe use a more indica dom strain... if using clones why not just skip vegging?

 

[Indonesia]

BigWillyDee- Yeah the veg time has big effect, I do just that. I run under 50 wpsf flouro and then 80 wpsf HPS in flowering. Soon as they hit the flowering chamber they take off quick so I gotta restrict them in veg. I recently pulled around 2 oz from a 2 ft purple buddha plant that was pruned and trained. I am wondering more about the subtle tweaks that can be made to the lucas or rez formula to control height because I am going to be running Nebula, Bubbleicious, Ak-48, and Afghani-Trainwreck cuts which all are a bit stretchy. I don't want to have to do any bending or tying this time so I think I want to go with 6-8 in cuts and cut any branches down 2 one tallest lead and use branches for cuts.

I have been using the GH in soil for a little while now my suggestion is to make sure you get runoff..this hurt me in the beginning not gettting enough runoff. Using RO instead of 500 ppm ph 8.4 tap water helps too. I used hardwater micro b4 i switched to RO. I had 70 ppm calcium and 40 magnesium in my starting tap water plus a lot of buffer- hard to work around. I am looking to get more flavor by trying to simplify what I feed by using RO and only GH 3part for nutes. I think it is easier to not get burned plants when we fert once a week in the peat based soilless and get those 2 other waterings with plain water. I think that in order to be able to feed and water at this frequency it is important to have smaller pots so the roots will dry out the soil in a few days(instead of a week in a big pot) even after giving all that water and runoff every watering. This is where I went wrong at first, I used 5 gal pots to grow 2 ft 2oz plants and the pots couldn't dry fast enough after putting that much water through in order to get runoff. The soil around the rootball probably accumulated salts. I have also found(used crappy regular cheap soilless once) that this lucas/rez formula works better in better draining substrates(15gal promix to 3-4 gal chunky perlite or better) or coco coir.

 

[chubbynugs]

Yes of course you can use GH nutes. They are just the main supplier for NPK in your plants. If you are gonna just use the three part i would recommend using their additives as well.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Hydro-Soil: I am wondering what formula you would use for low height situation? I am currently using Rez's Recipe 6/9 micro/bloom in promix hp and coco and can get 3 ft max from soil line and have been flowering at 8-12 inches.

I personally don't know anything about Rez's formula as I've never read it or used it.

What I DO know is that the Lucas formulation works like magic and is what I recommend for any newbie to growing MJ.

*Edit* More specifically I've used it to great success in micro grow environments. Just use the 0-8-16 formula for both veg and flower.
If you're having difficulty with your plants growing too tall you'll need to start with shorter clones.
You'll really need to work with each strain for a few cycles to find the best height for flowering. Do a run of each strain using different height clones and keep track of which one finishes out at the height you want.
There's your winning clone height.

Other solution would be to scrog. I'm looking myself for a modular scrog that's E&F compatible for small spaces.

As for the Lucas Formula it's so easy that even someone like myself can do it properly. Hence the reason I recommend it so highly.

With the Flora series, using RO water, you add 8ml of micro to each gallon of water.
Mix Well.
Add in 16ml of Bloom per gallon.
Mix Well.
Bubble 24hrs and use on your plants.

If you're in soil you'll water the next two times with RO water.

If you're running hydro you'll add back RO water until you've added back the same number of gallons you started with.
Mix a new batch and then swap what's in your reservoir with it. (Don't forget to bubble 24 hours)

If you want even more simplicity GH makes the LF in one bottle. They call it Flora Nova Bloom. Just use 8ml per gallon of RO water during the bloom cycle. (or veg cycle as well it's fine)

The floranova grow is the GH 10-15-5 formula in one bottle. Approx 8ml/gal of RO water is what Lucas recommends for getting great growth and hollow stems. (this is for growing trees, not micro grows)

The beauty of the LF is that you can, in a pinch, run it without doing any checking of pH or tds or EC or anything. I know because I don't have anything to check it with and have some seriously happy plants in DWC right now.
The only thing I do is let the water level get down a wee bit for a day and then every few days top it off just a wee bit higher than normal. A nice pH swing keeps the growth nice and quick and the colors deliciously green and healthy.

So if you want total simplicity I highly recommend the Lucas Formula.

Sorry about rambling on about that but I'm just totally jazzed that I can do this without all the extra fussing with pH, tds and EC. Wish I could post pics
***EDIT*** At about 6 gallons of RO add-back on a 9 gallon res the pH is destabilizing and I'm going to change out the res. I'd like to try this again someday with FloraNova Bloom and see if it lasts longer *** EDIT ***

 

[maryj315]

I have a question?

Are the nitrogen levels of micro too high to use all the way through flower?

Mj

 

[afroman25]

What are the ratios for the lucas formula? so you only use micro & bloom for veg & flower how much do i add for veg? 8ml micro& 3ml of bloom? and for flower how much do i add? if go at full strength every 3rd watering. BTW i'm growing in Black gold organic with perlite & dolomite lime added