KC Brains Original Northern Lights Scrog technique/strain help

[Peeping Tom]

Hey guys first like to say been searching this forum for about a year and growing for about 2, finally forced to make a post!


MY SETUP
250w hps, 2fx2ft wide 3ft tall (hieght from floor to light) box, air flow is perfect, temps a little high (85) but going down as winter sets in, finishing in 5gal pot with fox farm ocean forest nutes, with scrog screen, total hieght of screen and pot is a about 1.6ft, however at the moment they r in my veg "box" in about a 1.5gal pot (finishing up 2 months veg from seed) with heavy lst (kept about 4in tall) sorry to be so brief kind of crunched for time so feel free to ask any questions

Questions
1. first off i know nothing and could find nothing about KC Brains Original northern lights and would really like to know anything i can about it it's suppose to be very short and compact and (not sure but i believe) a fast finisher so anything on that would be great
2. next never tried scrog only lst before and would like to know how exactly i am suppose to do this i mean i know the basics and have read multiple diy on it but still some things im confused about like:
A.) when do i cut all the growth from under the screen, do i wait until early flower, do i do it right before the switch, do i do it right when things hit the screen
B.) is it even ok to scrog an already heavily lsted plant
C.) how much of the screen should i fill up, ive heard some say 50% and others say 70-80% its suppose to be short and compact so i want to go with 70-80% but ive never grown this strain before
D.) how far along into the stretch do i want to keep scrogging
E.) Is it ok to scrog to a point and let them stretch to as close to the light as they will go or do i want them to stay within inches of the screen


Comments
My basic goal is to have every hole of the screen filled and have buds from the screen to around 2in from the light which would be about 1ft buds , going for mainly yield here, not commercial or anything just sick of buying unflushed garbage from the streets, hoping to hit at least 4oz,

Known "Facts" of strain (directly from site i bought them)
Original northern lights

The Strongest variety in the world with a nice sweet taste. This strain is short and compact making it a lucrative plant for indoor growing.

Breeder: KC Brains
Origin: USA / Holland
Indoor / Outdoor / GH
Flowering: 50-70 days

any questions, comments, critiques, maybe some links to other scrogs that maybe benecicial, i looked pretty hard but sure i could have missed some, anything really would be awesome, not really sure what to expect and go for here.


THANKS FOR ANY HELP IN ADVANCE!

 

[limey]

Hey guys first like to say been searching this forum for about a year and growing for about 2, finally forced to make a post!


MY SETUP
250w hps, 2fx2ft wide 3ft tall (hieght from floor to light) box, air flow is perfect, temps a little high (85) but going down as winter sets in, finishing in 5gal pot with fox farm ocean forest nutes, with scrog screen, total hieght of screen and pot is a about 1.6ft, however at the moment they r in my veg "box" in about a 1.5gal pot (finishing up 2 months veg from seed) with heavy lst (kept about 4in tall) sorry to be so brief kind of crunched for time so feel free to ask any questions

Questions
1. first off i know nothing and could find nothing about KC Brains Original northern lights and would really like to know anything i can about it it's suppose to be very short and compact and (not sure but i believe) a fast finisher so anything on that would be great
2. next never tried scrog only lst before and would like to know how exactly i am suppose to do this i mean i know the basics and have read multiple diy on it but still some things im confused about like:
A.) when do i cut all the growth from under the screen, do i wait until early flower, do i do it right before the switch, do i do it right when things hit the screen
B.) is it even ok to scrog an already heavily lsted plant
C.) how much of the screen should i fill up, ive heard some say 50% and others say 70-80% its suppose to be short and compact so i want to go with 70-80% but ive never grown this strain before
D.) how far along into the stretch do i want to keep scrogging
E.) Is it ok to scrog to a point and let them stretch to as close to the light as they will go or do i want them to stay within inches of the screen


Comments
My basic goal is to have every hole of the screen filled and have buds from the screen to around 2in from the light which would be about 1ft buds , going for mainly yield here, not commercial or anything just sick of buying unflushed garbage from the streets, hoping to hit at least 4oz,

Known "Facts" of strain (directly from site i bought them)
Original northern lights

The Strongest variety in the world with a nice sweet taste. This strain is short and compact making it a lucrative plant for indoor growing.

Breeder: KC Brains
Origin: USA / Holland
Indoor / Outdoor / GH
Flowering: 50-70 days

any questions, comments, critiques, maybe some links to other scrogs that maybe benecicial, i looked pretty hard but sure i could have missed some, anything really would be awesome, not really sure what to expect and go for here.


THANKS FOR ANY HELP IN ADVANCE!

Hi man

from your qs:
a - you dont have to do this but it can help with airflow. You may find that alot of what is under the scrog screen yellows and dies back naturally as the plant develops, so all you need to do is keep it clean and tidy up the dying leaves. If you do prune at all, I'd leave it until after the plants have begun to show flowers but others may not agree
b - (if I understand you correctly - not sure what you mean by 'lsted' but...) yes, it's ok but you may have problems in two respects: if the stem is well developed, it is unlikely to be all that flexible, which is what you need for successfully developing your flat screen of green ; you may also have a problem with height but that will depend on your grow space (which seems on the low side, so you should go with the rule of thumb that plants should be only 1/3rd the height of your available growing space - the space between the top of your pot/hydro rig/soil and the safe growing area under your lamp when it is raised to the top of your cab - when you flower them). An alternative compromise is to FIM your plant a week or so before putting it into 12/12 and not using a screen. You will still get a flatter profile up top and you can maximise yeild up there by trimming off the small branches on the lower third of the plant after a week or so into flowering
c - depends mostly on the bushiness of the strain/pheno. 66% (two-thirds) is a good rule of thumb.
d+e - I am confused! You want to be filling the screen as per 'c' above while in the veg stage and then switching to flowering, continuing to tuck the growing tops under the screen during the first week or so of flowering, until such time as you have filled the screen. when the screen is full (and you can no longer therefore tuck the tops) you allow the growth above the screen to continue 'naturally' i.e. no further pruning or bending or tucking. Your tucking up to this point should mean that the growing tops are, more or less, forming a canopy of even height above the screen (the tucking will have encouraged the spread of the growing and flowering hormones evenly(ish) throughout the tops, rather than them concentrating on a cola + top few bud sites). You then, as with any other indoor grow, want to keep the tops as close as possible to the light without them getting scorched (distance depends on the power of your lamp) and where, as far as possible, the light is distributed as evenly as possible across the growing tops.

that's it!

ps. I have nothing against KC brains myself as I have grown some nice KC33 happily. However, alot of other people are less than complimentary about his seeds for poor germination rates (not my experience) and low proportion of females (this was my experience but may be because I kept low N levels at germination and seedling stage).

If you do buy KC brains seeds, I would advise that you buy plenty of them. They are relatively inexpensive seeds so you should be able to buy a load. If you are keen to grow N Lights, personally, I rate the sensi seeds version, which being NL2xNL5 is short and sweet.

Hope that helps.

Peace

 

[jasno]

hey man update us on this grow, i was wondering about that company and the strain myself

peace

 

[Peeping Tom]

Limey: thanks for the reply buisy atm so dont have time to thouroughly read through your post but will very soon, ur reply is GREATLY appreciated

hey man update us on this grow, i was wondering about that company and the strain myself

peace

looking for comments and suggestions right now before the real stuff happens. and never grown anything out from kcbrains, germ rates were 2/4 and 1/2 was female.

 

[Peeping Tom]

LIMEY: been really buisy bro just got to reading your post, think u helped alot and gave some good guidance. seems like its going to be more of a trial and error type thing so we will see.


what i really want are some people with kc brains northern lights experience, ive been to dozens of sites and cant find anything on their specific nl. can i expect them to be like others nl strains ive read up on (pretty much anyone on this site and a few others). or are they different. mainly concerned about 1. how much they will stretch and 2. can i trust kcs site saying its very short and compact. im an extreme micro grower with a big light in a tiny space, so its not cool when i let my stretch get out of control.

 

[Peeping Tom]

Bump.... anyone?

 

[limey]

Tom

just to let you know, recently tested our dried, cured KC33 from this year's outdoor grow. Great stuff.

did you go for the NL in the end?

 

[petemoss]

Peeping_Tom,
I've scrogged NL (Sensi) before and consider it an excellent strain for SCROG -very compact and forgiving. From a previous grow, I knew that my NL would stretch for about 21" in three weeks, or about 1" per day. Thereafter, vertical growth would stop and the plants fatten for five weeks. A very predictable pattern. Your 250 watt light should be perfect for the 12" tall buds you want.

What you want to do is to plan to use the total 21" expected stretch to first fill out your screen and then to grow a 12" cola above the screen and then stop and fatten. You do that by vegging and training until your screen is about 3/4 full. Flip the lights to 12/12 to start the stretch. For the next nine days, continue to train, tucking the new shoots under the screen, filling out the screen. Then stop training and let the shoots grow straight up. You should have another 12 days of stretch left to grow a 12" bud. Simple huh?

I should point out that I grew hydro which is very fast. Also my screen was low, about 7" above the soil line. And I didn't LST, just let the plant grow staight up to the screen and tied the stem or topped it and continued to grow under the screen. The link in my sig has pictures of my last SCROG. Hope that helps!

 

[Peeping Tom]

Tom

just to let you know, recently tested our dried, cured KC33 from this year's outdoor grow. Great stuff.

did you go for the NL in the end?

good to hear, ya did go with the nl, seems to be almost no stretch and completly smellless at 3 weeks bloom....









petemoss: very nice to hear appreciate the reply, got a smoke report for me? how was the over all potency/bag appeal/ smell / and taste? u know anything about kcs nl and how similar they would be? never rly grown "name brand" stuff so rly dont know about the differences/similarities from breader to breader

 

[Peeping Tom]

so what can i expect to get yield wise per bud and over all? my screen is completly full which is about 1.5x1.5f, 4in from the pot, im using a 5gal pot, with a 250 hps, buds r dense and very short, only reaching about 3in from the screen, im really clueless on what my yields going to be, my ultimate goal is 6+ oz, but would be dissapointed with less than 5oz, any ideas/guesses???

 

[wayfarer]

Any updates?

 

[jordas]

well.....what happened????
I am also interested in growing Northern Lights so I am curious...

 

[petemoss]

Sorry, PT but I lost track of this thread but I'll try to answer some of your questions. NL is perfect for new growers because it's a very forgiving strain able to grow under a wide variety of conditions. It can take a lot of abuse and survive newbie mistakes. And the smoke is good -on a scale of 1-10, I'd rate it 8 for potency. Yield is above average and the plants have only a slight smell in late flower. My cured buds had very little smell, but that is prolly just me - I get impatient and dry the buds too fast. Now this was for Sensi NL. I also grew NL5 from Emory which was completely different- crappy stretchy plants. Don't know about KC Brains NL personally but I have heard the bad reports about him but that was many years ago. Same with Rez.

You shouldn't aim for any particular yield seeing how this is your first SCROG, because your results will be all over the place if you know what I mean. It takes several grows to "dial in" your strain. But you might get lucky and hit the right combination the first time. hey you might be a great grower and not know it LOL! I made a lot of blunders in my first NL SCROG but got nearly 4 oz per plant. Mostly pine cone sized buds but Lots of them. soory for rambling on, but I'm pooped and wasted from staying up all nite cleaning out a virus Perfect Defender 2009 from my computer. Finally killed the fucker but it took all nite and now I'm able to get high and sleep. NL has a nice high. Balanced between body and head. Smooth and mellow I'd say. gnite all!