New issues with new strain.. Time for new food?
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oh yea.. I am ocd on the ph and ppm... 5.7 ph and it was 1000ppm but i droped down to about 800ppm and in 2 days it has gotten worse. I am about to switch over to Canna or maybe House and Garden...
I am using the same feeding that I have for very grow I am using floranova with hygrozyme and hydroguard . I am running it on a 50/50 tap ro ... I dont measure floranov i just add it until i get to the ppm i want.
I am using the same feeding that I have for very grow I am using floranova with hygrozyme and hydroguard . I am running it on a 50/50 tap ro ... I dont measure floranov i just add it until i get to the ppm i want.
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what were you currently feeding them and in what kind of hydro setup? Top drip feed?
ps...what seems to be the symptom, maybe its my monitor but I don't see anything other than a very slight clawing probably from that aggressive 1000ppm of whatever you're feeding?
I'd be shooting at @ 300 ppm to 500 max right now if it were like gh flora series
ps...what seems to be the symptom, maybe its my monitor but I don't see anything other than a very slight clawing probably from that aggressive 1000ppm of whatever you're feeding?
I'd be shooting at @ 300 ppm to 500 max right now if it were like gh flora series
Can you fill out some more questions? more the better, the ones you answered already you don't need to answer them again...... we defiantly need more information though...... I agree with 10k that is ah igh dosage for that size of plant, you have leaf curling and some burn lower the ppm first.....
HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics
How long has this problem been going on?
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics
How long has this problem been going on?
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
Is that hydroton used?
If used, how did you clean and prep it for use?
If new, did you pre-soak it down to pH 6 before rinsing and using?
The slight upcurl and scorching of the leaf margins are an issue. It could be the feed strength, or a problem with your media.
If used, how did you clean and prep it for use?
If new, did you pre-soak it down to pH 6 before rinsing and using?
The slight upcurl and scorching of the leaf margins are an issue. It could be the feed strength, or a problem with your media.
How long has this problem been going on? 1 week sence flower started.
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...) Top Feed.
What STRAIN are you growing? OG Kush
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?) Clone
What is the age of your plants? 5 weeks from roots
How tall are the plants? 2 feet
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? Flower
What Technique are you using? ????
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.) Hydroton with 3x4 rockwool cubes
What is the Water temperature? 68-73 f
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy? REALY WHITE.
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple? FloraNova With Cal Mag
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using? 500 On a hanna metter
What is the pH of the "Tank"? 5.6
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? YES Very Much SO
When was your last watering?I water 1 minute every hour when lights are on.
What is your water temps? Dident you already ask this?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional) Every day. I run to waist. right now
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients? daily sence this issue.
What size bulb are you using? 600watt
What is the distance to the canopy? 3 feet
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)? 30-56%
What is the canopy temperature? No clue
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range) 65 night and it flux in the day 73-80
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) Sealed co2 with 1500 ppm
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? No.. its not
Is your water HARD or SOFT? I little hard but i use ro?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? RO
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched? No i havent trimed these at all
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When? No chemicals have been sprayed.
Are plant's infected with pest's. No thers no bugs
Any one try using canna?
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...) Top Feed.
What STRAIN are you growing? OG Kush
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?) Clone
What is the age of your plants? 5 weeks from roots
How tall are the plants? 2 feet
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? Flower
What Technique are you using? ????
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.) Hydroton with 3x4 rockwool cubes
What is the Water temperature? 68-73 f
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy? REALY WHITE.
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple? FloraNova With Cal Mag
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using? 500 On a hanna metter
What is the pH of the "Tank"? 5.6
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? YES Very Much SO
When was your last watering?I water 1 minute every hour when lights are on.
What is your water temps? Dident you already ask this?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional) Every day. I run to waist. right now
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients? daily sence this issue.
What size bulb are you using? 600watt
What is the distance to the canopy? 3 feet
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)? 30-56%
What is the canopy temperature? No clue
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range) 65 night and it flux in the day 73-80
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) Sealed co2 with 1500 ppm
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? No.. its not
Is your water HARD or SOFT? I little hard but i use ro?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? RO
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched? No i havent trimed these at all
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When? No chemicals have been sprayed.
Are plant's infected with pest's. No thers no bugs
Any one try using canna?
Yes, I love me some canna in my hydroton based system.
Please answer the question I posed earlier in the thread.
Please answer the question I posed earlier in the thread.
I clean it just like the books say. I use a 55 gallon trash can with holes in the bottum. i put it on the ground fill it with some bleach and water and use a paddle and stur it up. I lift it onto 2x4's it drains. I do it agian with bio green clean... then 2 more times with pure watter and i leav a hose ontop for like 3 hours. Then i let them dry all the way then rinse 1 last time.
I don't know how well they really end up getting rinsed but I'm going to suggest a change in your prep technique.
First, eliminate the bleach. You may or may not be adding sodium residue. It's unclear. But the pics look to me like your medium is the culprit.
Instead, let the medium dry out pretty well, completely undisturbed, in your pots before dumping them and try to get the root ball out in one piece, gently shaking it to free pebbles. A healthy root ball will leave a VERY clean hydroton behind, and you will be surprised at how little additional trouble it is to clean the stuff.
Next, soak your HT for a few days in a tub of water at pH 6 with cannazym and an air stone to mix and aerate the soup. Skim out any remaining chunks of plant matter, of course. Drain and rinse it with tap water, and then return it to the tub and soak it in plain water at pH 6 until the pH is stabilized- just like you did when you first bought it.
I do not use any type of disinfectant like bleach or even peroxide on mine. If you DO want to disinfect it, add a soak after the cannazyme but before the final pH setting soak that includes a high level of peroxide in the water.
Finally, I suggest running cannazyme in the res to help keep any bits of organic matter from building up and becoming a problem over time. This will also prevent pathogens that multiply in dead plant material to take hold.
For regular maintenance, JUST before you change your res, take a watering can of clean pH 6 water and rinse down any salty buildup on the pebbles into the res, whcih you are about to dump out anyway. I do see some salting on your HT surface in at least one of the pics, and that is also what the leaf damage hints at to me.
Anyway.... that's not the ONLY way to skin a cat, but it's the way that I have found to lead to the fewest hassles getting your HT cleaned up and ready for re-use.
This is what works for me. Hope it helps a bit.
First, eliminate the bleach. You may or may not be adding sodium residue. It's unclear. But the pics look to me like your medium is the culprit.
Instead, let the medium dry out pretty well, completely undisturbed, in your pots before dumping them and try to get the root ball out in one piece, gently shaking it to free pebbles. A healthy root ball will leave a VERY clean hydroton behind, and you will be surprised at how little additional trouble it is to clean the stuff.
Next, soak your HT for a few days in a tub of water at pH 6 with cannazym and an air stone to mix and aerate the soup. Skim out any remaining chunks of plant matter, of course. Drain and rinse it with tap water, and then return it to the tub and soak it in plain water at pH 6 until the pH is stabilized- just like you did when you first bought it.
I do not use any type of disinfectant like bleach or even peroxide on mine. If you DO want to disinfect it, add a soak after the cannazyme but before the final pH setting soak that includes a high level of peroxide in the water.
Finally, I suggest running cannazyme in the res to help keep any bits of organic matter from building up and becoming a problem over time. This will also prevent pathogens that multiply in dead plant material to take hold.
For regular maintenance, JUST before you change your res, take a watering can of clean pH 6 water and rinse down any salty buildup on the pebbles into the res, whcih you are about to dump out anyway. I do see some salting on your HT surface in at least one of the pics, and that is also what the leaf damage hints at to me.
Anyway.... that's not the ONLY way to skin a cat, but it's the way that I have found to lead to the fewest hassles getting your HT cleaned up and ready for re-use.
This is what works for me. Hope it helps a bit.
you can use bleach to clean your res and all that. the thing is bleach is really strong you only need like a capfull per 10 gallons of water to disinfect. you prolly overdid it if the problems are caused by bleach residue. you dont need to make the water 50% bleach. just like 1-5%.
If you are basing your pictures on the damage, you can't do that... what I mean to say is when you have nute burn, damaged growth will not recover it will stay like that and turn brown necrotic like it is now, that tan brown you are seeing is due to tissue that died a long time ago, this tells me the damage is not spreading and it takes a little time for it to recover, when you are in hydro when you nute burn your plants you want to drop your ppms lower just a little lower to allow roots to heal from the burn then put it back up slowly to where they are happy and show no signs of stress in semi old to newer growth...... you go by the size of the plant unless you are using a cannabis based nutrient, then you go by the directions on the nute that is cannabis based.
I noticed my ph will raise A HOLE BUNCH every time i feed. Witch is 5 minutes every hour. My res drops about half way and it takes about another 5 minutes for all the water to return. It go's up at 5.4 and returns at 5.6 it rises .2 every hour because thats how much i feed. Are they hungry? I added some cal mag =./ I hate new strains
Canna is cannabis based nutrients.
Are you sure your water is RO water?
Your ph should not rise by adding nutrients.... if it does then that means your ppm's are too low and what is left is the water pH..... because it's removing nutrients from the water......
What ppm did you have it at before?
Are you sure your water is RO water?
Your ph should not rise by adding nutrients.... if it does then that means your ppm's are too low and what is left is the water pH..... because it's removing nutrients from the water......
What ppm did you have it at before?
