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SensiBC

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A friend of mine asked me to help figure out what is going on in her garden. In my infirmary thread the general consensus seemed to be that she was overferting them, causing lockout. Pics in my gallery show the carnage, and the infirmary thread has a lot of pertinent info as well about the stats, specs, temps, ferts, monitors, and the like.

She's flushing the system with Florakleen right now, and will probably do so for 2 hours as directed on the bottle unless someone here tells me to tell her otherwise. (2 hours is up in 20 minutes, actually, so, eeek, please help!)

She'll be refilling the res soon and needs advice from the pro's on exactly what to give them and how much of it to get these girls healthy again.

Her res is 15 gallons and they were vegging happily with the following mix:

5ml AN Barricade Potassium Silicate, 40ml Humic Acid, 60ml Pureblend Grow, 6tsp Supernatural Grow. 500PPM

When she switched to 12/12 she flushed the system with Florakleen and mixed the following:

250ml Sensizyme / 6tsp Supernatural Bloom / 60ml Pureblend Bloom / 4ml Silicate / 40ml Humic Acid) 600ppm

Six days later symptoms began to appear as yellowing and necrotic spots on the margins on the largest oldest fan leaves in the middle of the plant.

From there it was 9 days of misdiagnosing and misfeeding, and she now realizes that she needs help, fast.

They're at day 15 of bloom now, and in need of a proper nute solution, so please help me help her get on the right track.

She has the following products available to her:

Supernatural (Dry Ferts, both Grow and Bloom)
Pureblend (Both Grow and Bloom - NOT PRO)
Cal-Mag plus
AN Barricade Potassium Silicate
Humic Acid (Labeled 1ml/L)
Sensizyme
AN PH up and down
(She also has some other stuff like Koolbloom liquid, PK 9/10 or something like that, Tarantula, Green Up, and lots of H202, but doesn't plan on using any of it)

I assume the Humic Acid, Potassium Silicate, and Sensizyme can be administered at full strength... what about the Big Bud? Should she add any Cal-Mag plus? Should she still use the Pureblend Bloom at the supplemental dose, or avoid it altogether? Finally, once she starts adding the Supernatural Bloom, where should I tell her to aim for on ppm? 400, 500, 600,?? Seriously, help would be good here before any further damage is done.

In advance, I thank you, she thanks you, and the girls will certainly thank you.
 
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globel

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I would flush with just enzyme and fluvaic acid.... But you dont use fluv acid maybe golden nectur. its like humic and fluvaic alot less messy and cheap.. so just the enzyme. make sure to ph it. see what the ppm is before and after. then I would do a full reg just at 500 ppm maybe drop cal mag is using tap.. instead of humic switch to golden nectar. And silicate is not very necessary.

Other then that. I suggest this feeding chart by 0420 VERY CHEAP and works just like the feeding she is using . I USE TO USE THE SAME EXACT THINGS. Evean MORE..

00420 said:
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

overdrive @ 5 ml/1gal = 15n 33p 50k 14mg
big bud @ 5 ml/1gal = 0n 10p 43k 12s{Sulfur}
bud blood @ 1gram/1gal = 0n 45p 55k

i found novabloom with budblood bigbud & over drive to be best...

here's what i use 50RO/50 tap{150ppm} ( some strains need cal/mg some don't) nova has lots of cal/mg if i use 100% tap i get a ca/mg loc out if i use 100% R/O i have to use more cal/mg
week 1 = 4ml nova bloom + 1.5g bud blood = 61n 121p 171k 31mg 61ca
week 2 = 3.25ml nova bloom + 3.25ml big bud = 50n 50p 102k 25mg 50ca
week 3-5 6.5ml nova bloom + 6.5ml big bud = 100n 100p 201k 50mg 100ca
week 6 = 3ml nova 3ml big bud 3ml overdrive = 55n 66p 123k 31mg 46ca
week 7 = 5 ml nova bloom + 5ml overdrive = 92n 99p 161k 52mg 77ca
week 8 = flush
i know week 2 & 6 sound weak but i dont dump my rez in between week's and cut it in half for the first dose watching ppm meter...

if you dump rez.....
week 2 = 4.5ml nova bloom + 4.5 big bud 69n 69p 139k 34mg 46s 69ca
week 6 = 6ml nova bloom + 6ml big bud 92n 92p 186k 62mg 46s 92ca

for 9-10 week strains
week 8/9 = 10/6ml overdrive 30/18n 65/39p 99/59k 27/16mg
week 9/10 = flush
 

chubbynugs

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SensiBC said:
Any particular reason, aside from the increase in ph?
Because it will tend to cause lockout by congealing the nutes together. Get nutes wet and let them dry out. You will see they will crystalize and stick together. The same will happen in your res with silica. It is just better to dilute the silica first in the water then add your calmag and then your other additives to up to 39 percent of your max mix ppm. So lets say 400 ppms for additives you would want 800 ppms of your main three part. Being off 50-75 ppms wont hurt too much but it can if your mix is already too strong.
 

Tony Danza

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Sounds like a case of too many additives. Use the Supernatural bloom by itself at around 1000 ppm and you should be fine, I have and it worked decently. With all the crap she's throwing in there, it's impossible to tell what the problem is.

Nutrient manufacturers generally don't worry about whether or not their products are compatible with other brands. Using nutes from 4-5 different product lines is asking for trouble.

If you are going to use multiple nutes, run them through the anglefire calculator first so you know what you are giving your plants.
 

chubbynugs

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Tony Danza said:
Sounds like a case of too many additives. Use the Supernatural bloom by itself at around 1000 ppm and you should be fine, I have and it worked decently. With all the crap she's throwing in there, it's impossible to tell what the problem is.

Nutrient manufacturers generally don't worry about whether or not their products are compatible with other brands. Using nutes from 4-5 different product lines is asking for trouble.

If you are going to use multiple nutes, run them through the anglefire calculator first so you know what you are giving your plants.
Yeah too many additives can be bad but if you use them in the correct ppm range then you can accelerate your plant growth like crazy. It is very hard to dial it in when using too many brands of nutes. Just understand what your additives are used for.
 

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