Highest yielding grow Style/method?

[Vantranist]

I was wondering what the best growing style is for growing in coco (Pump watered, not by hand) For getting maximum yield, keeping in mind grow time.

Bassicly the maximum amount of weed overall.

Would this be SOG? Scrog? normal grow, LST?

How would i go about doing it? For SOG veg for a week, 2 weeks maybe 3?

Also how much should i expect off whatever the best method is compared to others?

I haven't started my grow yet but wanted to get a good idea of the highest yielding method in a reasonable amount of time.

I will be using 2KWS, pure coco probably in pots, watered by a pump.

I am also a bit confused on the pot sized i should be getting. Obvously this depends on ur veg time and grow style though, which i have yet to determine because i have not chooses one yet hence the thread.

But to get a plant 2 yield about 2 ounces what sized pots (on average) should be used? Or is a faster veg time SOG style grow the way to go for optimal bud output?

Thanks!

 

[C21H30O2]

drip to waste -- air pots -- amended with ewc -- feed with organic teas -- vertical screen of green with dual 600s and CO2. That's the setup I'm building now anyway.

 

[Vantranist]

I was under the impression chemical ferts gave higher yields than organic, just not the taste.

 

[C21H30O2]

I was under the impression chemical ferts gave higher yields than organic, just not the taste.

i think it could be argued that it is easier but i believe as do many on this board that a competent organic grower can achieve the same or greater yields. There are a couple other reasons to go organic including taste and health. people will tell you that with a flush chem buds taste just as good as organic but i live in Cali and can easily smoke 10 different strains in a day if im visiting clubs or friends and time after time i have noticed that my fully organic buds burn so clean and so smooth leaving only a small pile of small white ash in the bowl after smoking, where as chem buds even though flushed leave a dark carcinogenic mass in the bowl. Hell i hardly ever have to clean my pieces. this is without a cure even. if your gunna sell then your buyers would come back to you over and over with bud this sweet and this smooth. if its for your head... you deserve only the best. take a lil time learn how the plant evolved to function and you will be rewarded for it. growing organic buds got me switching over to organic produce.

 

[metamorf]

I'm constantly amused by people claiming organic fame. Organic schmorganic, there's no difference between synths and organics, only the packaging of the elements (as in N P K and what they're combined with in your nute) differ.

The ferts that work best for you is the ferts that will give you the best yield. As for what method works best I'd be tempted to say ebb and flood. Easy to set up, easy to run.

 

[Greyskull]

I get pretty solid results from my ebb n flow with coco. With the MTF I get get 600g per 1k with only 12 plants... having the right genetics helps. I just changed reflectors and am now running 16 per 4x4 and am aiming for 750g...

I like the 8" pots, filled 2" with hydroton, then all 100% coco. 400mh veg 24/7. I have a 1000hps over each 4x4. I am doing a traditional SOG (1 plant per sq ft) grow. I veg the ladies 3-4 weeks depending on the cut. I was staking but have moved onto tomato cages and think I am like it better - less work and same/better results thus far.

C21H30O2 has a nice opinion on organics, but not everyone here shares it. I use Canna. I'll take the pepsi challenge anytime. I have many repeat customers and get top dollar every harvest(of course strain helps here, too!). Canna is good, easy to use, and grows killer plants.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

I have no experience in coco but I have heard many growers state SOG is the highest yielding method.

 

[Vantranist]

Thanks for the replys!

Might i ask what ebb n flow is?

How much dryed/cured weight do u think a grower can pull off, on average, per 1000w?

 

[Silas]

In coco I recommended SoG without veg & Hardcore LST + max 2 weeks of vegetation. Pots max 2 liters and productive indica plants.

 

[confedrate69]

vantrqanist
im asuming you are new to this by the last question.

ebb and flow is just that the filling and draining of a table with your pots on it.

avg per 1000w is a number that cannot be quoted it varies to much that being said 1 pound per 1kw or im hanging it up .

as far as the highest yeilding methoid there are 2 many factors that play in every grower has to find there nitch and roll with it. i found lst to be very effective in my soil gardens and a sog in my hydro gardens works best.here are 2 tables running a coco drip on both one with screen and one with out



do not know witch will yeild better but its fun playing!!! check out the grow hilbilly coco thread in my sig if u want spasifics on the runs


for nutes take the time and do a search on the lucas formula its using 2 parts of the 3 part genral hydro nutes, bloom would be 8 ml micro and 16 ml of bloom per gallon. its what i know worked for my first hydro run and every one scince then its cheap and effective, compost teas are ok if u know how to work them and have had a year or better to feed and work your compost over i reckon. as far as a taste differance there will be differance for shure, but is it worth the extra work to me?NO! but there are no problems getting rid of my "chem weed"for that top dollar

 

[Vantranist]

Very nice...

Maybe this is a more answerable questions, hopefully.
For a SOG grow in coco, how many plants do you want under 1000w? I was planning on seeing how many possible pots i could fit in a 5X5 space and that would tell me how many plants i can fit... apperently a 1000W is best for covering 5x5 spaces.

Or do u strech it a bit on SOG?

So far i have something like this in mind.

2000w grow
own personal room dedicated too grow
Cool tubes on the lights venting through the roof
actual room vent/ air echange venting through the roof
I am thinking 15-25 plants per 1000W
100% coco medium, possibly with hydrotron at the bottom of bots for draining
Set up on a drip system

 

[king of thorns]

SOG all the way if you want big amounts in shortest time, but you must run for big numbers of clones and the risk of having that much plants. get yourself 6" pots and pack those fuckers as close as possible - 4plants a foot. veg them for top 7days, optimal is to flip to 12/12 as soon as roots start to form into the medium. trim them 1st week and 3rd and expect your harvest in 7-8 weeks. sure it depends on strain how long should it take to cut the fruits down but I have no doubts you're gonna look for a fast one right?

 

[confedrate69]

the pic there of the non screen table is 50 on a 4x7.5 ft table under 2kw in 7" #1 nursery pots. have to say after talking with a lot of folks that a 4x4 or less on a 1000w is the way for the densest buds. if u set up to a 4x4 rember its gonna spread like crazy may end up a 6x6 tangled mess by the time its done if your in the lazy growers group with me.
in a sog the plant #s can really get crazy fast but, the turn is fast and great#s can be pulled in 7-8 weeks with the right strain and good planning
instead of them nasty ol clay balls "hydraton" look at a piece chor to line the pots with its a loose stringy chunky coco that dont seem to want to go through 3/4" holes in the sides of pots.
a auto drip is the only way imo there are several methoids out there that will work im sure u have a fasten all around for cheap gromets and 3/4" pipe and fittins are cheap and blowes even has the 1/4" black poly cheap if u need or want part #s ill be happy to dig em up for the gromets

this is what came up with after some research

 

[newganjaboy]

I was thinking of setting up a very similar grow, was wondering about a constant recirculating drip with lucas GH. Do the nutes have to drain to waist? I have never used coco but am surely willing to try it based on what I have heard. Does the coco ruin the nutes after they have a first pass?

 

[krunchbubble]

im getting 6 + lb's for every 3000 watts doing vertical. my last run was 3 gallon coco pots on a recirculation drip with 14 sweet pink grapefruit, using h@g nutrient. i had room room several more plants, im sure i would of got 7+. vertical hands down, your going to get the best yield.

 

[Teeg420]

Nice krunch bubble, looks good. It reminds me of Green Bastards vertical room.

 

[M Blaze]

I have to keep my plant nubers low so my methods are alot different to SOG. I grow monsters and I only use a single room which yields me over 4.5lbs every 12-14 weeks from only 3 plants. If I setup a veg room aswell then I could yield a minimum of 4.5lbs every 8 weeks but thats gettin too much for me so ill stick with my single room.

 

[cannaboy]

if you veg plants for 4 times the lengh of time they flower for yield is massive

 

[Brazilianfire]

trees trees trees one tree is equal to 50 sog plants atleast one of my trees lol less plant numbers less plants to focus on huge yields c02 and 1000 watters

 

[Lazyman]

trees trees trees one tree is equal to 50 sog plants atleast one of my trees lol less plant numbers less plants to focus on huge yields c02 and 1000 watters

Yeah, but the argument is, trees require veg rooms, extended veg time, and light penetration, which can be hard for even 1000 watt bulbs.

SOG and SCROG (and of course vertical) grows tend to yield more bud because there is less vegetative matter, shorter plants are much easier to light (they get light from top to bottom) and more bud with smaller plants. That coupled with the short or non-existent veg time means all you do is grow bud, not plants. You also harvest a month earlier than the guy growing trees, and start your next round. I don't even have a veg room for mine, all I do is flower.

I used to grow trees and got around .6 to .73 grams per watt, and it seems most guys doing SOG/SCROG get around 1.0 to 1.2 gpw. The vert guys blow us all away, 2 gpw is common, and I've heard of guys nearing 3gpw.