Looking for those special medical strains

[K.J]

So I'm going to be starting my medical garden in the near future and I'm on the hunt for just the right strains. After much research on my own, I've narrowed the selection down to a few dozen strains that seem like they will meet the needs of mine and my lady's medical conditions.

Some info on the conditions being treated: first up is chronic lower back and nerve pain extending down the leg and into the feet (diagnosed as neuralgia). Next up is chronic migraines and muscle spasms/tightness in the upper back/neck due to scoliosis.

Info on the grow: this is our first ever grow and we will be growing in a modified NGB style cab (about 3'x4' of space in the flowering room) under a 125 watt CFL for veg and a 250 watt HPS for flowering. Planning on doing about 6 plants in flower at any one time in an LST style (will be flowering the plants when they reach 6-10" in height).

Ideal components of the perfect strains: Obviously looking for painkilling properties in addition to side effects of depression/anxiety killing. I tend to get anxious on many strains, so an anti-anxiety strain is highly desired. In addition to medical properties, I also care very much about aroma and taste as well as aesthetic appeal. I really don't want to medicate every day on an ugly, unpleasantly pungent, shitty tasting cannabis.

So, I know this is a tall order, but if any of you have experience with the strains below and could provide feedback on whether or not they meet our needs, it would be much appreciated. Or, if you know of other strains not listed that might meet our needs, that would be cool too.

Keep in mind that we'd like to grow out about 3 different strains per cycle until we hit upon the ones that work well for us.

Now the list (in no particular order):

Canna BioGen:

Sandstorm

Chimera Seeds:

Schnazzleberry #2
Mental Floss

Cannacopia:

Cinderella 99 x Deep Chunk

DJ Short:

VanilLuna
Blueberry
Grape Krush

Dutch Passion:

Skunk #1
Strawberry Cough

Flying Dutchman:

The Pure

Federation:

Cotton Candy

KC Brains:

Mango

Mr. Nice:

Black Widow
Spice
Shark Shock

Nirvana:

Blue Mystic
Bubbleicious
Papaya
Pure Power Plant
Snow White
White Rhino

Paradise Seeds:

White Berry
Jacky White
Ice Cream
Opium

Reserva Privada:

Purple Wreck
Sweet Timer

Reeferman Seeds:

Grapefruit RM

Sagarmatha:

Wonderberry

Sensi Seeds:

Jack Flash #5
Jack Flash
Silver Pearl

Soma Seeds:

White Willow
White Light

TGA:

Querkle
Astro Queen

 

[K.J]

Oops, I forgot one. The one at the top of my list actually. I guess I forgot it mostly because I think it's about impossible to find unless you run in the right circles, and I don't obviously.



Here goes anyhow:

BOG:

Lifesaver

 

[Iron_Lion]

3x4 is pretty big for just 250W that doesnt give many watts psf. Im a 250 user and i'd say you'd have best a space about 16"x24", maybe a little larger. Also, multiple strains at once can make things very difficult, different strains sometimes require different pH and nute levels. Almost forgot, topping done in conjunction with LST will improve results.

 

[KAMy]

u described needing all indica dominant strains (like ma self).. i wouldnt go with strawberry cough if your worried about anxiaty that stuff is strong like trainwreck and can deff put you in a down spin at the right dose it looks to me your putting all your ANGST and stress in to what strain you want i would go with pot of gold aka golden skush , shark shock is great , i think you need skunk and more skunk and less worries about what your actually gonna medicate on besides it giving you anxiaty and tasting bad go with Cannacopia:

Cinderella 99 x Deep Chunk*

DJ Short:

VanilLuna
Blueberry*
Grape Krush*
HOW YOU DRY EVERYTHING WILL BE THE OUTCOME OF THE SMOKE
c99 has never tasted good to me blueberry and skunk #1 i like alot grape krush is prob awsome

125watts for veg sounds pretty scary to me and your plants prob wont have many nodes i might just veg with the hps or can u upgrade to a 150mh security light or something lol the mh really helps... i hate floro's fyi so my opinion might not matter to you

 

[alphacat]

Romulan is another good strain for pain, plus it's a hardy, fast-finishing mofo that doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist to grow it. It's a body high that's not so couchlock-y, at least for me.

 

[Pops]

KJ, I am going to give you the bad news right off the bat. None of the strains you are trying to grow will do all you want. THC is good for minor pain, is an antiemetic(for nausea) ,an antioxidant, a neoroprotector and kills some types of cancer cells. CBD(cannabidiol) is a neuroprotector, an antiemetic, anti-anxiety,anti-psychotic, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory,anti-convulsive or antispasmodic, relaxes the long muscles of the body and keeps cancer cell from reproducing. As you can see, what you are looking for is an equal combination of THC and CBD. It does not exist yet, as all drug breeders breed out the CBD from their strains. Hawaiian Snow and White Widow from Greenhouse seeds are listed as having about 1% CBd at that is some of the highest I have seen.

Most breeders breed strains that have less than .1% CBD. Land race hash strains often contain 50%THc and 50%CBD. I am working on a couple Afghan hash strains now, trying to breed exactly what you are looking for. Unfortunately, it will take a while. I am breeding for my son, a motor neuron patient(ALS) and my daughters(Fibromyalgia/anxiety).

For now, you might try Med Man from Shantibaba. (Mr. Nice seeds). You should be growing indicas for your need.

 

[KAMy]

go get your self some G13 thats all u need..... it does everything i want.... if its really g13 the smoke is like a sativa but it hits hard like an indica ``sensi star might help u i think sensi star would be a good strain to have at least one of

 

[K.J]

KJ, I am going to give you the bad news right off the bat. None of the strains you are trying to grow will do all you want. THC is good for minor pain, is an antiemetic(for nausea) ,an antioxidant, a neoroprotector and kills some types of cancer cells. CBD(cannabidiol) is a neuroprotector, an antiemetic, anti-anxiety,anti-psychotic, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory,anti-convulsive or antispasmodic, relaxes the long muscles of the body and keeps cancer cell from reproducing. As you can see, what you are looking for is an equal combination of THC and CBD. It does not exist yet, as all drug breeders breed out the CBD from their strains. Hawaiian Snow and White Widow from Greenhouse seeds are listed as having about 1% CBd at that is some of the highest I have seen.

Most breeders breed strains that have less than .1% CBD. Land race hash strains often contain 50%THc and 50%CBD. I am working on a couple Afghan hash strains now, trying to breed exactly what you are looking for. Unfortunately, it will take a while. I am breeding for my son, a motor neuron patient(ALS) and my daughters(Fibromyalgia/anxiety).

For now, you might try Med Man from Shantibaba. (Mr. Nice seeds). You should be growing indicas for your need.

You're right, what I need and desire in a medicine is a tall order indeed. My research indicates exactly what you've said above, that CBD is bred out by most breeders, yet a higher CBD content is exactly what I need. Unfortunately most breeders don't test/report on CBD content and focus solely on THC.

I'm very interested in your breeding project. Do you have a dedicated thread here reporting on it?

 

[K.J]

3x4 is pretty big for just 250W that doesnt give many watts psf. Im a 250 user and i'd say you'd have best a space about 16"x24", maybe a little larger. Also, multiple strains at once can make things very difficult, different strains sometimes require different pH and nute levels. Almost forgot, topping done in conjunction with LST will improve results.

The 250 will be air cooled and set very close to the tops of the plants, so although my total space might not equal 50/sq. foot, it will be effectively fairly close considering the distance from the plants. I will also be keeping the plants as small as possible so as to get better light penetration.

I'm growing organic in soil (or a near soil-less mix), so I'm not too concerned about the varying nute needs of different strains. Each plant will be in its own pot and will therefore be pretty easy to give individual attention to as needed.

 

[southwind]

Over all pain reduction

Over all pain reduction

Greetings;

I hope you are well and I am sorry you have pain.

I agree with all POPS said...it is harder to find commercial plants with the CBD that you want...but hemp raised for fiber has quite a bit I believe.

For pain killing properties which I do breed for as I have chronic kidney stones
I grow Lifesaver and Sour Bubble.

Other than opiate drups [Dilaudid, Oxycodone, Methadone etc] these 2 strains are the best I have tried so far.

But there are many fine Indica offering out there.

I am concentrating on BOG seeds myself by doing a preservation project and so have alot of experience with these hybrids.

 

[K.J]

KAMy: Thanks for the strain recommends. Sad to hear that SC might not be good for me as it's always been high on my list for potential strains to grow out. As for the veg not being enough, it'll work in my setup considering that most plants will veg for less than 2 weeks. I've seen some pretty impressive veg grows using only CFL's.

alphacat: thanks for the recommend!



Anyone else?

 

[Pops]

No. I have a friend in Israel who worked in the lab of Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, the man who discovered THC. He is feeding me info from Dr. Mechoulam and we are sharing genetics. Most hash strains that come from Morocco, Afghanistan and the Middle east(Except Egypt) have a lot of CBD.

On the B locus of a chromosome, you have 2 alleles, the Bt,which produces THC from CBG, and Bd, which produces CBD from CBG. Many plants in the wild, have a genotype of BtBd and contain both. When you breed them, you wind up with 25% BtBT, which only has THC, 50% BtBd, which has both, and 25% BdBd, which has primarily CBD(like Hemp). Professional breeders get rid of the BtBd and BdBd genotypes, so as to have more THC.

Dr. Mechoulam states that drug strains that have primarily THC, are not as effective as medicine as we once thought. He believes that a medical strain should have 3x CBD to 1x THC. That is almost impossible to breed. You would have to grow a BtBd strain and a BdBd strain and mix the 2. The hard part is trying ti identify a BtBd strain,as most of us do not have a GC/MS sitting around in our garage.

 

[Pops]

K.J., make sure that your 125W CFL is a 6500Kelvin daylight bulb. That is best for veg. I use one myself, as well as 5 80W shop lights with daylight bulbs. You want a minimum of 40WSF for a decent crop. Your 250W can handle about 6sf.

 

[K.J]

Greetings;

I hope you are well and I am sorry you have pain.

I agree with all POPS said...it is harder to find commercial plants with the CBD that you want...but hemp raised for fiber has quite a bit I believe.

For pain killing properties which I do breed for as I have chronic kidney stones
I grow Lifesaver and Sour Bubble.

Other than opiate drups [Dilaudid, Oxycodone, Methadone etc] these 2 strains are the best I have tried so far.

But there are many fine Indica offering out there.

I am concentrating on BOG seeds myself by doing a preservation project and so have alot of experience with these hybrids.

Thanks for the recommend. As I said up above, BOG's Lifesaver is number one on my list, but as far as I can tell it's impossible to purchase seeds or cuttings unless you know the right people. Same with the rest of his strains, many of which seem like they might work well for me. I'm sure glad there are people like you out there preserving his work!

As for the opiates, I'm on them and have been for years and I'm sick of them. This is why I'm moving to a medical cannabis friendly state and getting legal!

 

[CMoon]

a very well detailed question K.J ! hello there

my experience of the med strain you seek deffinatley lies strongly with dj shorts, the papya which as good germination rates is also very lathargic if grown correctly........silver pearl another goodone you mention but couyld be a 10 weeker ime, c99 noted for speed id like to see a nice pheno out that chunk cross do it for you very high med qualities indeed

bests with plans.........cmoon

 

[K.J]

No. I have a friend in Israel who worked in the lab of Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, the man who discovered THC. He is feeding me info from Dr. Mechoulam and we are sharing genetics. Most hash strains that come from Morocco, Afghanistan and the Middle east(Except Egypt) have a lot of CBD.

On the B locus of a chromosome, you have 2 alleles, the Bt,which produces THC from CBG, and Bd, which produces CBD from CBG. Many plants in the wild, have a genotype of BtBd and contain both. When you breed them, you wind up with 25% BtBT, which only has THC, 50% BtBd, which has both, and 25% BdBd, which has primarily CBD(like Hemp). Professional breeders get rid of the BtBd and BdBd genotypes, so as to have more THC.

Dr. Mechoulam states that drug strains that have primarily THC, are not as effective as medicine as we once thought. He believes that a medical strain should have 3x CBD to 1x THC. That is almost impossible to breed. You would have to grow a BtBd strain and a BdBd strain and mix the 2. The hard part is trying ti identify a BtBd strain,as most of us do not have a GC/MS sitting around in our garage.

Absolutely fascinating info. Thanks for the education! I agree with the good doc that the best medical strains (well, depending on the condition they're being used to treat) would be much, much higher in CBD than what is currently available.

 

[K.J]

K.J., make sure that your 125W CFL is a 6500Kelvin daylight bulb. That is best for veg. I use one myself, as well as 5 80W shop lights with daylight bulbs. You want a minimum of 40WSF for a decent crop. Your 250W can handle about 6sf.

Yes, I'll be using a 6500K CFL for veg.

I'll be just a bit over 6sf. if you count the total space, but if you consider only the space under the lamp I'll be at or below that range.

 

[Jim Dunlop]

I have been looking into the same qualities in strains and have found that GreenHouse strains have moderately high THC with high CBD.

Big Bang
Great White Shark
Himalaya Gold

to name a few. I'm currently growing Big Bang and Great White Shark.

 

[K.J]

a very well detailed question K.J ! hello there

my experience of the med strain you seek deffinatley lies strongly with dj shorts, the papya which as good germination rates is also very lathargic if grown correctly........silver pearl another goodone you mention but couyld be a 10 weeker ime, c99 noted for speed id like to see a nice pheno out that chunk cross do it for you very high med qualities indeed

bests with plans.........cmoon

Thanks CMoon! I'm definitely heavily leaning towards DJ Shorts stuff at the moment. His strains seem to meet nearly all of my needs based on what I know of them. If I do go with them, I just hope I don't royally screw his expensive beans my first time out!

 

[CMoon]

Thanks CMoon! I'm definitely heavily leaning towards DJ Shorts stuff at the moment. His strains seem to meet nearly all of my needs based on what I know of them. If I do go with them, I just hope I don't royally screw his expensive beans my first time out!

I hear ya dude, im fortunate to have been gifted a selected cut of shorts work many moons back, but can highly recommend some of the nivani line for your needs....aurora indica is another amazing strain if you like it strong

hope it all works out chap, feel free to pm me if theres anything you think i can help with..........bests cmoon