Sensi`s.....NL x NL = Crap....WHY..??

[englishrick]

A friend of mine has open polinated Sensi`s NL x NL

so he cacked a load of NL incross seeds and flowered the females

they turned out to be total crap

Sensi`s NL = NL#5 x NL#2

WHY was the incross total crap....??...no yeald, no potency, no flava

whats the deal???

 

[Guest]

he should have crossed it to a different breeders northern light. like DR.ATOMIC northern lights. then he would have maybe found a rare gem.

 

[englishrick]

what is the problem with incrossing sensi`s NL ???

NL#5 x NL#2 = SensiNL

SensiNL x SensiNL = junk!!!.....why???

 

[Raco]

Ask Sensi...
I´m sure Dronkers is happy... lol

 

[englishrick]

Ask Sensi...
I´m sure Dronkers is happy... lol

im not happy....lol...is Dronkers sendin out NL that peeps cant incross and get good results ??

Raco..... do you think this might be a comon thing for NL F2 ??

are NL#5 and NL#2 that closley related,so when incrossed beyond F1 the plants look,yeald,taste like crap..???

whats the deal ???......i wanted to use a NL F2 male.... but it looks like that idea is out the window

 

[Hazeseeker]

A friend of mine has open polinated Sensi`s NL x NL

so he cacked a load of NL incross seeds and flowered the females

they turned out to be total crap

Sensi`s NL = NL#5 x NL#2

WHY was the incross total crap....??...no yeald, no potency, no flava

whats the deal???

Hi Rick,
how many males and females did your mate use in the open pollination and how many females did he flower out from the seeds he made?,
sounds like he just got really unlucky dude,
maybe the males he used weren't up to scratch?,
i don't know anyone who's done NLxNL but i do know of another grower who crossed the same NL to Original Haze with awesome results (better than both parents) shown in the offspring,
so this tells me there's alot of potential in the NL your talking about for breeding with,
but maybe your right about it being a bad choice for going down the F#'s route?

peace

 

[englishrick]

it was all totaly random....

he grew a 2 packs of Sensi`s NL but didnt take the males out in flower....by the time he noticed the males,, the damage was done...

i think there was 3 males and and 6 females "i think"...he had a real bad germination rate...realy bad....he wanted a refund from Sensi...lol...i told him he should not be germinating them in the uk....cheeky!.....i told him to use the F2 they should be DA BOMB..even better than F1 for finding a mother.....how wrong i was!!

the F2 seeds were all mixed when i saw them...so there is no chance sorting them acording to males or females...

maybe there is a trick to incrossing Sensi`s NL.....it seem NL is NOT as easy to incross as other seedlines

i realy wanted to use a select NL F2 male...i realy liked the idea...and the seeds are free too

 

[Hazeseeker]

he had a real bad germination rate...realy bad....he wanted a refund from Sensi...lol...i told him he should not be germinating them in the uk....cheeky!

yeah i had probs trying to germ a pack of NL#5xHaze back in January as well,
managed to get 3 to germ,
2 of those grew twisted and were stunted,
eventually stopped growing,
thank god the 1 that was left turned out female,
gave me some great smoke at the end,
but the pack i germed a couple of Months ago (recieved from Sensi) was alot better,
got 9/10 to germinate

 

[englishrick]

ive heard from loads of peeps that Sensi NL has bad germ results, some are sayin 0%.

 

[deathtosoapbar]

englishrick..im sure there is something seriously wrong at sensi seeds...the quality seems to of plummeted ..i rercently tried to germ a new pack of ed rosenthal super bud and hashplant zero germ total waste of 200 quid..btw all other strains thatw erent sensi germed

 

[deathtosoapbar]

if all the resulting plants of NL were crap its gotta be bad genes at sensi cant be the same as the old NL from sensi .. i heard they lost a lot of their parent stock ..dont know wether its true though...but for example in a previous pack of hashplant a few germed and i had a hashplant with zero thc or resin on it that was sativa in nature

 

[indifferent]

The current Sensi NL is not the same as they used to sell, it is many gens on as they have lost various parents over the years and have had to recreate the line from seeds.

Simple really, in 98 the Dutch govt banned seed production which made things very hard for seed producers, some moved operations to Switzerland, but mainly, it drove them underground so that the seed making operations went from large grows where it was possible to have proper breeding practices and grow large numbers for selection to small rooms where many corners had to be cut. The Dutch Police have bust many of these rooms over the years, resulting in the loss of parental stock, in many cases, the original parents to create the seedlines no longer exist so have had to be replaced by inferior plants grown from seed.

If the incrossed NL was crap then the original stock he started from must have been crap too, the fault is Sensi's. It's called inbreeding depression and is the result of the poor breeding practices that have been used since the seed production ban in 98.

Chuck them away and start again with some NL from a different source.

 

[englishrick]

that is exactly what i thought...i didnt know what happend in 98...thats some good info right there...i allways wondered why the line was so blur...and i bet 98 is when everything went to pot...no pun intended

do you think Sensi still has NL#5 ...or...NL#2 ??

it makes me want to find all the worlds best clones landrace and hybrids alike and lock them in an artifical seed .....










HERO:..........save the clone........... save the world

PeterPatrelli:..............Hero..why dont you go back in time...

HERO:...........its too dangerous!!......its up to you to save the clone`s now

 

[NiceShoes]

that is exactly what i thought...i didnt know what happend in 98...thats some good info right there...i allways wondered why the line was so blur...and i bet 98 is when everything went to pot...no pun intended

do you think Sensi still has NL#5 ...or...NL#2 ??

it makes me want to find all the worlds best clones landrace and hybrids alike and lock them in an artifical seed ....


HERO:..........save the clone........... save the world

PeterPatrelli:..............Hero..why dont you go back in time...

HERO:...........its too dangerous!!......its up to you to save the clone`s now

Nice Hero's quote but there is nothing wrong with the Sensi's NL stock bro. About 6 months ago a friend came by me and another med-patient friends house and shared with us some of his Sensi's NL. It was purely amazing stuff. Well. The first friend of mine took the plunge a little over a month ago and ordered herself some (I ordered them, she has no internet). Dropped them in Rapid rooter's (Straight seed, no germ first). 10 out of 10 popped. I read this thread a couple hours ago and gave my other buddy a call and he had 21 seeds (Got an extra somehow, probably not on purpose...) and had 20 pop. So I am not sure if a dealer (Seed Boutique, Rhino or whoever I have not the slightest clue) did not rotate their stock to deliver fresh seeds but I heard this too. And if it was not for my friend I would not have agreed to order them. But we did and mow we got some healthy little plants. Besides some PH issues I guess that I am trying to help figure out. Stems are thick and the plants are just doing great. Effortlessly. Exactly the way we anticipated and my friend said they looked the same as his.

So, get them from Dr. Chronic like we did, I see no reason your results should not be the same

I am sorry, I cannot answer the main question.
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NiceShoes

 

[englishrick]

that sounds like good news

they look abit like Lowrider.....realy shot node spaces built up on that tiny sturdy stem.....

grate pic`s....r.e.s.p.e.c.t .!!


do you think there is any truth to Sensi`s genetics degrading ??.....ive fear this has happend and the old NL is gone......do you think sensi`s NL is still NL5 x NL2 ??

most peeps say the old NL looks and smells like SK1.....id love to understand all the old NL phenos

did they breed out the exessive smell.....im sure NL was never a "low smell" strain

 

[Guest]

There's something wrong with the picture.

There are 2 pheno's to sensi's NL and I found the f2 specimens to mimic the hybrid pheno's, even though they were more extreme. With regaurd to the green, shorter indica pheno ,(which isn't as potent in my view as the taller, thinner, sativaish pheno), the f2's looked very similar, just shorter and denser. The f2 sativa pheno was similar as well, just taller, thinner and looses the purpling that goes with the NL sativa pheno. Neither parental plant was as potent as the hybrid but neiter pheno could be considered a slouch and the hybrid is a classic whoopass..

Generally, Fat, redheaded parents give birth to fat, redheaded babies. Is it realistic to believe or even possible that breeding 2 different, potent and very resinous cannabis plants will result in a circumstance where none of the offspring carry a trait that appears to be so prominent in both parental plants?

It would be my guess that something happened that your friend is unaware of if the results of making sensi Nl f2's werent potent. What, I don't know, but something.

 

[KindBudKid]

Rick .. There's some good info on MNS forum about NL with Shanti talking about the breeding and seeds that he holds.. He says he has the seeds for NL1 or 5 can't remember but it's over there in print.. If I find time I'll look it up.. I think Hazeseeker and myself were talking about it over there.. Can't remember it was a long time ago...

Man I got 10/10 germ Sensi NL about 3 months ago.. Got 6 fems, 2 phenos, both dank.. I found it to be stable line, all looking very similar from seed.. Low smell?? I got a really nice pine aroma with citrus thc funk undertones.. I made some f2 and crosses for later..

I heard something about Sensi losing some parents but didn't know NL was one of them..

 

[artjom21]

Dutch Passions Oasis ( Northern Lights#2 ) grow by skar.

 

[eyes]

i tried sensi's nl in 98 good yield ok stone.there super skunk hermied and there sensi skunk was decent good yield.the mothers finest was total junk.so,its hit or miss if u ask me with them.not as consistent as they once were.last thing i bought was mli since i heard that was good.but,i wont get anything of theres in the future.too many others that are much better out there.

 

[NiceShoes]

There's something wrong with the picture.

There are 2 pheno's to sensi's NL and I found the f2 specimens to mimic the hybrid pheno's, even though they were more extreme. With regaurd to the green, shorter indica pheno ,(which isn't as potent in my view as the taller, thinner, sativaish pheno), the f2's looked very similar, just shorter and denser. The f2 sativa pheno was similar as well, just taller, thinner and looses the purpling that goes with the NL sativa pheno. Neither parental plant was as potent as the hybrid but neiter pheno could be considered a slouch and the hybrid is a classic whoopass..

Generally, Fat, redheaded parents give birth to fat, redheaded babies. Is it realistic to believe or even possible that breeding 2 different, potent and very resinous cannabis plants will result in a circumstance where none of the offspring carry a trait that appears to be so prominent in both parental plants?

It would be my guess that something happened that your friend is unaware of if the results of making sensi Nl f2's werent potent. What, I don't know, but something.

I don't really know what you are trying to say and honestly it is very premature. A lot goes into breeding such as selecting the male and female parents, even down to seed storage. So many factors that an amateur breeder who just lets his plants grow like weeds and breed then pulls seeds out cannot get to say the original breeders have crap genes. With F2 you can have many different phenotypes and variability. How many did you grow out? All of them? Or 5 of them? If you said that earlier I apologies. But I surly hope you grew a large enough test group to come back and blame all of this on Sensi Seeds. LOL. There are a couple different phenos in the pictures I shown you. You can look back and see it standing up taller than the rest, and then the other two where tied down because they keep hitting the light.

And honestly, who F*ing cares if your F2 did not come out as good as the originals. Is it supposed to happen that way? Do you have Sensi's parents that are probably selecting from a HUGE GENE POOL of the best parents out of hundreds or thousands of them.

There are several different types of NL that all have different odor levels, growth patterns, yadda yadda. There where descriptions by Neville who originated this strain and he described them individually. I do not have this memorized and wished I did but low odor did appear on that list. If I remember correctly Sensi's NL is a cross from NL#1 and NL#5 or possible just NL#1.

Nirvana crosses with a skunk, Sensi Seeds White Label crosses with a Skunk, Why would a huge label such as Sensi Seeds sell hybrids and call them originals? They don't need to. And if you could get pre 98' genes in a compassion center or from a friend in f*ing Nebraska why the f* don't you think they could get it over there? Seriously, there is no conspiracy you paranoid f*kers, lol. It's great genetics, great weed... looks bad from dumb asses who don't know how to germ and make a WAY BIG DEAL about it because they chosen to practice on $150 seeds and failed. And people breed their plants FOR VARIABILITY AND PHENOTYPES and grow a small test groups and get the shit. That is what you can only expect for results WHEN YOU LEAVE MALES IN.

One more questions? How much growing experience do you have? Or whoever grew out the Sensi's NL F2's? Where they finished on time? I mean, seriously guy. The originals are f*ing awesome. If you don't like the F2,s buy the f*ing F1's.

Who would want an F2 of NL anyway unless for some reason someday they did disappear.





Ha ha, I just ranted, no one is really a F*er, lol.

NiceShoes