what do you call a S1 x S1?

[peps1]

Been making S1 fem seeds with CS for a while now and was just wondering, if i cross strain (X)s1 with plant (Y)s1 to make (XY) dose this become (XY)F1 due to the hybrid nature of the cross and result in possible vigor, or (XY)s2 due to it being progeny of duel s1 parentage (resulting in epic phenotypes ranges and all the joy of bring out unwanted recessive traits).

 

[englishrick]

it would be a fem incross baced on genes from a single mother...i think

there is no "F" terms.......you are not using IBL`s

why are you talking about xy...???...

 

[TheHashAssassin]

probably called a feminised F1. I bet some dutch guys already coined the term....

 

[peps1]

you have to forgive me Im only GCSE level in nomenclature,

Im using X and Y as a substitute for strain names, would it make more seance if i said, "if i cross strain 'C99 s1' with a 'Cheese s1' to make 'C99xCheese' dose this become 'C99xCheese F1' due to the hybrid nature of the cross and result in possible vigor, or 'C99xCheese s2' due to it being progeny of duel s1 parentage (resulting in epic phenotypes ranges and all the joy of bring out unwanted recessive traits)

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

It would be a hybrid...

If the plants being self'd were homozygous(true breeding) then the progeny is a feminised F1 hybrid...

If the parent plants were heterozygous(hybrid) then the progeny will be the f1 generation of a feminised polyhybrid.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I revised my response, which was based on a mis-assumption that you were breeding within one line...

 

[peps1]

thank Grat3fulh3ad (i did word it in a unnecessarily confusing way, but its late here )

once again thanks for your s1(f2)xs1(f2)=f3 explanation too, all useful and much appreciated information.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

No offense man, but if ya gotta ask the question, you prolly shouldn't be doing the work. I had a whole bunch of shit typed here, and it disappeared when I posted. WTF? I'm tired of typing, but I basically said that you could theoretically call it a member of the S2 generation, but that's kind of manipulating terminology to fit the circumstances. Better to call it an S1xS1., I think. More likely, a disaster waiting to happen. It's more than likely going to add more hermie genetics to the gene pool. UNLESS this ain't your first time at the rodeo, and you have specific methodology and numbers to ensure you're not just breeding shemales.

None of the above is to say that it hasn't been/can't/wont be done. I'm not even saying that someone couldn't do it and get a variety of great phenos from the effort. IMHO, that's difficult work best left to an experienced breeder. (Quite a few Vendors here, who shall remain nameless, and whose jobs are theoretically 'breeding' cannabis, don't make my cut of people who should be doing it.) If this isn't your 50th grow, I'd say you'd do better to buy a couple of packs of beans. If you love the S1's themselves, and want to cross them, cross them with a male plant from said beans. Just know beforehand what traits you're looking for.

I believe the keys to truly 'breeding' are having a clear goal of what you are ultimately looking for, having the space and security to run BIG numbers of plants, and having the head to keep it all straight/together. After that, there's a certain 'x-factor', kinda like how you either have a green thumb or you don't. Just because you can grow it, DOES NOT mean you can breed it. That said, ya gotta start somewhere. It just ain't here, as I see it. My $2.93.

HuffAndPuff

ps- http://www.biology.arizona.edu/vocabulary/mendelian_genetics/mendelian_genetics.html

Here's a good basic list of terms. If you wanna breed the weed, you gotta read about the seed, my friend. Read this, learn this, love this. Then find more. Always more reading.



[EDIT: WHILE I WAS BUSY RANTING, AND LOSING MY POST, HEAD WAS GIVING YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER.]

 

[peps1]

No offense man,

that's up there with "im not racist, but.".........cue the inevitable!

but if ya gotta ask the question, you prolly shouldn't be doing the work.

Im just asking, there is no work, just fun here for me. I am relatively new to this (as you can tell) and thought asking questions was a good idea, my teachers always said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" - guess they never posted on ICMag! :wink:

Iv only done about 25 grows and a few breading projects, the foundation level IBL action etc. thought id ask some questions about subjects that were outside of my comfort zone or experience level in an attempt at education as recently iv obtained some lovely s1 Land-race seeds from Chitral in Pakistan and fancied doing some work with her.

thank you for you link about terminology and sage advice sincerly appreciated

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

As far as botanists are concerned, there is nothing different about using pollen from one plant to pollenate itself... There is no S1 designation... S1's are really f2s.

In fact, when botanists speak of self pollination, they are speaking of any sibling from the same generation pollenating any other sibling...

Calling a plant an S1 is useful to the breeder in their breeding program for isolating traits, but is an informal designation for tracking projects not a formal designation like one would use if writing a scientific paper on the project.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

Head- Bingo. That's what I was saying about manipulating the terminology to fit the circumstances.

Peps1- haha, too funny man. I swear the first version I wrote was kinder/gentler, and I was hoping you wouldn't take it that way! Sorry, bro. You're absolutely right about there being no stupid questions at all. In fact, this was a good one. I was merely trying to point out that there may be easier breeding projects to undertake, for someone new to that aspect of growing. I hope my response doesn't discourage you from asking any more questions you might have, and I'm sorry again if I came off condescending. It truly wasn't my intention. Good luck with it, man.

HuffAndPuff

 

[peps1]

Hey HuffAndPuff, no need to say sorry as i totally understand. After typing out a long post and losing it, you just want to put the main points back in, easy to leave out social graces.

Relly don't want you to think i was ungrateful for your comments and was purely "braking your ball" is I believe the expression?

and believe me, i will be looking to both you and Grat3fulh3ad in the very near future with a whole range of other question.

once agia, thank your for taking the time to awser my question.