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Maculele

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Let's say there are a couple dozen Pot of Gold clones under a digital 600w that are 3 days into flowering. They range in height from 4"-6". Would it be realistic to expect these plants to be between 14"-16" by the time flowering is up? Now I know that this a fairly strain specific issue, but would it really make sense to expect a tripling of height when they started out so small?
I've watched POG grow before under the same light setup, with 2 sq. ft. more area to cover, and the plants were vegged 3 weeks (while the ones I'm talking about are barely vegged). These def. tripled in height, honestly, maybe more. POG has a longish flowering period, about 10 wks, so maybe this could contribute to the height explosion. However with so little growth and a fewer number of nodes on the clone...
Just starting a thread for curiosity's sake.
 
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Also, this thread's name wasn't even addressed in the thread itself.
What final height do all of you shoot for when you SOG?
Under what wattage?
What style of grow (NFT, E&F, DWC, Aero, Hybrid)?
What clone size allows you to achieve this end height?
What strain?
Enclosure type?

Thanks as usual for the input. Let's see what people are doing...
 
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Maculele said:
They range in height from 4"-6". Would it be realistic to expect these plants to be between 14"-16" by the time flowering is up?
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Quite possible. Sounds like your first crack at this. Keep the emphasis on learning and whatever yield you get is pure gravy. Better to err on the side of caution and go bigger next time.
 
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Maculele

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Definitely the first time in SOG. I did a DWC setup with the same strain and lighting a bit ago. It was my first grow and I pulled 350 gr, which I was very happy with. I'm trying organics now, which is a change, and am running into yellowing issues, but that's about it. I just haven't done this growing style before so I don't know what to expect. Been working in the great outdoors the last couple yrs with minis. They're what's up if you've got some of the more important variables worked out. Thanks for tips
Later
 
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yamaha_1fan

I have 2 strains that are mostly Indica and if they go in at 6" they can get to almost 36". Not all but they all hit 24". Now if they go in at 8-12" they still seem to stop at the 24-36" mark.
 
SoSincere

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stretch depends on ur cab temps and strain. Ive seen a sativa pheno double in size at 70 degree canopy temp, then quadruple in size at 90 canopy temp. All the stretching takes place in the first month of bloom. I keep temp at 80 and they go from 12" to 36" for SOG
 
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Maculele

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Cab temps are fairly high. It gets down to 72 at "night" and up to 88-92 "day" now. This is with pretty hot temps where I'm located right now, hopefully things will get better when outside temps go down in the next few weeks. At least I've got it down from 100 in the tent! I can't air cool my lamp due to space constriction, but may have to work something out as far as that goes. We shall see.
How hot is too hot? (without CO2 supplementation)
 
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SoSincere said:
All the stretching takes place in the first month of bloom.
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This is also strain dependent. After 23 weeks of flower, my Thunks are still stretching.
 
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Weedman Herb

High temps might be part of your yellowing issues. Some nutes are locked out when temps are too high or low.
 
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Maculele

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Ah I shall keep that in mind about the temps... Cab temps don't get about 86 now and the yellowing seems to be halted. Do you consider that to be particularly high? I cut off the leaves that were most affected and we'll see if any more of them get bad. I have been adding pretty small amounts of PBP grow into the res about every day for "top ups" (not that they need topping, they've not gotten big enough to drink deeply yet) They're still growing mighty well, I'd say.
This is always a fun, if not somewhat stressful, process
 
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my 480-plant SOG is just about to finish up, the girls range in height from 12-18 inches. this was with one week of veg time for most of them, and they are on day 40 of flowering. they were about 2 inches when clones were planted, and about 6 inches when flowering started.

there are 120 plants that i vegged for 3 weeks, and they are finishing at about 24 inches or 2 feet. they were about 1 foot when flowering started.


basically, they stretched about 1 foot after switched to 12/12
 
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Maculele

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Nice, good luck with your large harvest.
My girls have gone from 3-6" each to 6-9" each at this point. They have been flowering for about 5-7 days now, so I'm expecting a pretty serious amount of stretch. Luckily I have the height necessary, and would be happy with some 18-24" plants filling out the space...
However, the amount of bushing out that I'm seeing already is a cause for some concern. I don't want overcrowding. I have 24 girls in a 2'x2' tray, so it's a little tight. I imagine things will work out fine.
Here's a question that's pretty unrelated to the initial topic...
What happens if I have to take a couple of these flowering girls out of the 2'x2' and place them into soil due to crowding? They are in rockwool cubes right now, and I imagine if I leave them in those and plant the cubes in soil, as long as I keep the nutes coming, they'll get used to their new situation and continue flowering. Is that a good assumption?
I figure there will be some stress due to the move, but that it would work out, maybe taking a little more flowering time?
As a side note, use BioBizz RootJuice if you want really explosive root growth. It's simply astounding. I'm using LK as well, and this combo has proven successful, if not unnecessary, for getting their feet in the ground.
 
bounty29

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Keeping records is a necessity.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99879

You can see in the first post how he knows how much each of his strains stretch, and can plan accordingly. Put them all in at different heights, end up with a nice even canopy. When you have just one strain, it's even easier.
 
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I realized early that the amount of roots a plant has will determine somewhat how much they'll stretch, or just how big they'll get.

If you throw your clones in flower when they have the first signs of rooting (rapid rooter showing roots through side, aerocloner showing 1 fishbone), it wont stretch at all, maybe an inch.

But when you throw them into flower with a series of nice roots a few inches long, it'll stretch much further.

-- steve
 
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Trimming roots of fresh clone to the same length before planting will help in the uniformity of growth and stretch as well.

stevewinthrop - Do you think there's no stretch because of stunted growth due to insufficient root development, and instead of stretching during that time the plant is working on building a root system?
 
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stevewinthrop

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i dont think they focus on root growth at all, the roots also stay small, theyll grow maybe an inch... i think its caused by the simple fact that less roots is less nutes. or that a plant knows how large it can get and still stan upright.

but who really knows. i just know that small roots equals small plants

-steve
 
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