How "safe" is it to smoke non-organic?

[OZZ]

I have had some mother plants I put in MG time released soil. My only goal was to get seeds, however there is a decent amount of bud on them. I almost feel guilty letting that go to waste. The problem is, they havent even been flushed and they are ready. I never thought there would be any decent amount on these particular plants, but surprise.. im dry, and somewhat desperate. Does anyone have any opinion as to how dangerous smoking this especially without any sort of flush would be. Obviously organic is optimal, and thats what I always do.. but this is a special circumstance. I am not desperate enough if its a horrible thing to do, but if it just isnt "optimal", I'm fine with it.

 

[FreezerBoy]

Not familiar with MG but, if only for peace of mind, may I suggest a water cure? Soak for 7 days. Change water every day. Use distilled/RO water the last two days. Dry with fans in one day.

It will remove nearly all flavor and taste (That's not a bug it's a feature) as well as ...



Who want's to smoke that? not me.

Note the grating to force buds underwater. They'll try to float the first 4-5 days. The bucket on the right is the pour off. The foam head is several inches thick. Proteins, sugars, chlorophyll, who knows what. I only know it's not in the weed anymore.

 

[b8man]

Personally, I'd smoke it without any worries about the safety. Especially if you've ever smoked any weed from almost any dealer in the world - because that's almost certainly worse for you (and don't even get me started on soapbar). So smoke a bud or two and see if it's rough or strange - it won't do any permanent damage.

Water curing is a last resort. If when you burn it the weed crackles - then water cure it. But a lot of people find the taste of water-cured bud to be pretty nasty.

 

[FreezerBoy]

But a lot of people find the taste of water-cured bud to be pretty nasty.

That taste was in the seed not the cure. Without the water it would've tasted 90% nastier. Water removes taste, it doesn't add it.

 

[Mr Stinkweed]

Water cured weed is nasty because its lifeless and dead.....

If the weed smells ok smoke it...

otherwise trun it over to freezerboy to turn into ghost weed....

 

[TGT]

Organic or chemical, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the buds are leached properly. At least that's what I have come to believe from all that I have read over the years and from the tiny bit of scientific background I have. Also, sometimes when people can say they can taste chemical in the bud this is true, but most the time what they are tasting is just the left over chloraphil that did not break down from a fast dry. If chemical is to be tasted in the bud it has to be loaded to the max to be noticable. Just my 2 cents.

TGT

 

[bounty29]

Water cured isn't nasty, it's different. It has a place, and this is an ideal situation for it. Maybe you should do it right next time.

 

[FreezerBoy]

Water cured weed is nasty because its lifeless and dead.....

If you prefer the taste of a canker ridden whore who douses in foul perfume rather than bathe, go for it. I prefer the fresh taste of a Nebraska farmgirl straight from the shower.

Gee, making up nonsense unrelated to the topic is fun.

 

[OZZ]

If the comment "do it right next time" was aimed at me, perhaps you should read my initial post. There is no reason not to read it in its entirety, its a few sentences long. I "do it right" all the time, as I said I was making seeds with one specific plant and used time release MG to make it a care free seed run. I was surprised to see the amount of finished bud amongst seeds when I seperated everything and see no reason to waste it. Water cure it is.

 

[smokey117]

hey i know i dont have alot of posts ive been a looong time lurker of this site and i thought id add 2 2 cents mg is some strong stuff but ive grown 4 crops with just mg thru veg and flower with a week of flushing and i havent had any ill effects all you taste is chlorophyl i personally think if you grow it its 10x's better then any weed you've bought i doubt commercial growers grow organic lol hope this helps

*smokey*

 

[bounty29]

"Do it right next time" was aimed at the people talking shit about water curing, I see nothing wrong with your situation and I think a water cure would be a great solution! Good luck

 

[OZZ]

Thanks! I appreciate everyone pointing it out. I really don't mind it being "tasteless". This for me is just bonus smoke.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

If you prefer the taste of a canker ridden whore who douses in foul perfume rather than bathe, go for it. I prefer the fresh taste of a Nebraska farmgirl straight from the shower.

LOL...dirty douche whores need lovin too! But, I find it hard to get past the canker sores.

 

[C21H30O2]

i smoke a lot of different strains simply because of the cali med scene but i also did a lil outdoor this year... my outdoor was fully organic... all the stuff was in the soil and they received ewc teas... thats it. I have never smoked anything so clean that leaves so little residue in your piece. In the last month ive probably had 8 - 10 different med grade strains... none compare or burn as clean as my organic. people say there is no diff. between the two but everything i have experienced speaks to the contrary. I dont want to attach the chem guys but its seems that they claim that there smoke is just as good as organic simply because they don't want to give up yield or admit to a having an inferior product. chem is easy, you measure it out and dose. organic is a bit more difficult (not by much) and you end up with a more flavorful cleaner burning product... i say this from DIRECT experience. if you can't tell the difference that may just be you (no offense) i def can tell the diff and many of my fellow smokers can too. think about organic produce. it contains more nutrients, usually is smaller but is far better for you and taste amazing. same thing occurs with bud whether people want to believe it or not. cannabis evolved in an environment that provided humus and organic material not chemicals. just as humans evolved to eat organic fruits veggies and a relatively small amount of protein and not big macs and hot pockets. that reminds me... off to the farmers market and co-op.

 

[dontstepongrass]

i think they (researchers) proved that organic food wasn't any more nutritious. organic food does taste better tho, and that's what translates...

 

[C21H30O2]

i think they (researchers) proved that organic food wasn't any more nutritious. organic food does taste better tho, and that's what translates...

its known that food today is less nutritious than food grown a 100 years ago do to changes in agricultural practices and continued use of farm land (you cant continually take out nutrients from a area of land and expect it to produce the same). organic produce tends to be... but not always smaller than chemically grown produce and is more nutritious. ive seen quite a bit of research that refutes your claim to "think" they have proved that organic food is less nutritious. not to attack you but that flies in the face of everything of read on the topic and i've spent quite a bit of time reading as i plan to grow the majority of my food.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

I have had some mother plants I put in MG time released soil. My only goal was to get seeds, however there is a decent amount of bud on them. I almost feel guilty letting that go to waste. The problem is, they havent even been flushed and they are ready. I never thought there would be any decent amount on these particular plants, but surprise.. im dry, and somewhat desperate. Does anyone have any opinion as to how dangerous smoking this especially without any sort of flush would be. Obviously organic is optimal, and thats what I always do.. but this is a special circumstance. I am not desperate enough if its a horrible thing to do, but if it just isnt "optimal", I'm fine with it.

A little MG won't kill you.
I use all organics and hate a chem grow myself, but I will smoke it when I am out of organic..

 

[dontstepongrass]

C21 - apparently it's an ongoing debate? i linked the story i read.


this is what i read...

 

[Truthman]

Organic foods have more antioxidants which is what gives some food it's flavors and in the case of cannabis it's the terpenoids and other essential oils.

Here you go:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/oct/29/organics.sciencenews


Organic food is healthier: study

* Ian Sample, science correspondent
* The Guardian,
* Monday October 29 2007
* Article history

Some organic foods, including fruit, vegetables and milk, may be more nutritious than non-organic produce, according to an investigation by British scientists.

Early results from a £12m study showed that organic fruit and vegetables contained up to 40% more antioxidants than non-organic varieties, according to Professor Carlo Leifert at Newcastle University, who leads the EU-funded Quality Low Input Food project.

Larger differences were found in milk, with organic varieties containing more than 60% more antioxidants and healthy fatty acids, he said.

Antioxidant-rich food is often promoted as healthier because in lab tests the compounds neutralise free radicals that are thought to contribute to ageing.

The findings contradict advice from the Food Standards Agency, which maintains there is no scientific evidence to suggest organic food is healthier.

During the four-year project, Prof Leifert's team, which is based at the university's Tesco centre for organic agriculture, reared cattle and grew fruit and vegetables on adjacent organic and non-organic sites across Europe, including a 725-acre farm attached to the university. The full results of the study will be released in full over the next 12 months.

"What we're really interested in is finding out why there is so much variability ... What in the agricultural system gives a higher nutritional content and less of the baddies in the food?" Prof Leifert said.

 

[Truthman]

Here's another one but it was a 10 year study:

http://environment.newscientist.com...-organic-tomatoes-have-more-antioxidants.html

Organic tomatoes have more antioxidants

* 05 July 2007
* NewScientist.com news service
* Duncan Graham-Rowe



s organic food healthier for you, after all? A 10-year study comparing organic tomatoes with those grown conventionally suggests that it may be. It's the kind of evidence that pro-organic groups have been desperate to dig up, as most studies have suggested otherwise.

According to the new findings, levels of the flavonoids quercetin and kaempferol were found to be on average 79 and 97 per cent higher, respectively, in organic tomatoes. Flavonoids such as these are known antioxidants and have been linked to reduced rates of cardiovascular disease, some forms of cancer and dementia, says Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist who led the research at the University of California, Davis.

Differences in soil quality, irrigation practices and the handling of harvested produce have made direct comparisons difficult in the past, says Mitchell. So in this study, due to be published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, the researchers used data from a long-term project in which standardised farming techniques are used to reveal trends in crop productivity.

Mitchell's team say the finding can be explained by the availability of nitrogen. Flavonoids are produced as a defence mechanism that can be triggered by nutrient deficiency. The inorganic nitrogen in conventional fertiliser is easily available to plants and so, the team suggests, the lower levels of flavonoids are probably caused by overfertilisation.

Previous research has found no differences between organic and conventional crops such as wheat or carrots. Meanwhile a study proclaiming that organic milk had higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids failed to convince the UK's Food Standards Agency (FSA), which pointed out that these short-chained fatty acids do not have the health-promoting benefits offered by long-chained omega-3 oils.

This latest study does not prove that a healthy diet must be organic. The evidence of health benefits for flavonoids is conflicting, says Peter Bramley at Royal Holloway, University of London. And even if such benefits exist, higher flavonoid levels do not necessarily make organic food healthier, says John Krebs, former chair of the FSA and now at the University of Oxford. "This depends on the relevance of the differences to the human body," he says. "Tomato ketchup has higher levels of lycopene than either organic or conventional tomatoes. So if you wanted lots of lycopene you should eat ketchup."

From issue 2611 of New Scientist magazine, 05 July 2007, page 16