NEED ADVICE FROM GENERATOR EXPERTS((AND USERS))

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

ok,,,i will be first to say,, THIS IS NOT MY EXPERTISE.


i have worked around generators,,but beyond that ,, dont know much

about them,,, i have been speaking with a few other users,, telling me

i could squash alot of these hefty energy prices with switching over

to generators and running them on my own mixed fuel. i only run between

3k-5k,,,but with the ever rising energy price,,, it is killing me.. but i also

have to take a look at rise of gas>>>is it worth it to make the switch?

can some people give info on how much gas i will consume with a 4k setup?

i fuckn hate our electric company,,,they are fuckn theifs and keep jumpn

prices on us and im tired of it,,, cant do solar,,and we dont got enough

wind for windpower>>>so im trying to figure some better soultions..


however i also have to consider the noise that is created,, and will it be

possible to build a noise suffocation box to cut down on the noise

i have alot of questions. and i know it is much. but your help is much

appreciated.. thank you.. and keep it ez. --BhT

 

[Pandemic]

Research Lister clone 6/1 or 12/2 (H.P./Cylinder)

Bio-fuel: 0.125 gal/KWH
or
$1.50 per 12 hour shift on a 1K

$45 bucks a month.

Times five you say? add another 1K just to cover the inefficiencies so 6x ...

$270 per month at $0.125





More numbers:

Refined diesel expect $0.1125gal/KWH
- $1.35 - $40.50 - $243

Poor numbers $0.169 (worst you should expect)
- $2.02 - $60.60 - $363.60

Source www.utterpower.com

Real nice if your have some mechanical know-how. It is a must though. They are slow turning (650 RPM) which afford the good gal/KWH. Lister diesels also accept a wide variety of fuels such as the WVO and even used motor oil, again due to their slow RPM and thus longer burn.

$3500.00 to the door (US)


All numbers are approximate and off the high hip.


Pandemic

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Research Lister clone 6/1 or 12/2 (H.P./Cylinder)

im a bit lost here,,, you want me to buy a diesel generator made in india??
http://www.truveo.com/Lister-clone/id/1239251603

^^^that seems like a hell of a lot of work,,,,?

Bio-fuel: 0.125 gal/KWH
or
$1.50 per 12 hour shift on a 1K

$45 bucks a month.

can you tell me more about bio fuel,,, i live in city::: is it avialble in

non-rural areas??? where is a normal place to find it??

Times five you say? add another 1K just to cover the inefficiencies so 6x ...

$270 per month at $0.125

right now im paying almost $0.46 kwh,,,so a single 1k cost me almost

$190 to run per month,,if i can pull 5k @ 270,,i will be living made in the shade

 

[Pandemic]

^^^that seems like a hell of a lot of work,,,,?

Real nice if your have some mechanical know-how. It is a must though.

Umm, yeah.





Yeah an engine made in India. Have you called for customer service lately? It's Indian too.

I'm gowning genetics from there, it's just good karma.




Bio-fuel.... I don't mean to sound insulting but where ya been man? Bio-Willie, Bio-Diesel, processed WVO or Waste Vegetable Oil.


Maybe you're not ready for a generator.


These are the kind of questions you would know how to research if you were serious.



P

 

[Pandemic]

Maybe just holler at a Kubota RV Diesel. Google that. They have an 8KW model that could be yours for under 7K. 63 DBa and gets close on the consumption.

There are plenty of Chinese models out there on ebay if you want to hear about them.

P

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

yea but dont willie have his own bio fuel plant???

caus ther aint none around him???

see its got to be logical to make the change

im not a research scientist with phd in mechanics

im a musician who lieks to grow weed,,, please keep

that in mind,,,and use lamens terms,, much appreciation.--BhT

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Herb, the generators that will burn gasoline are not going to be what you want. They are great, but they are not really built for a 100% duty cycle.
Same with (most) that burn NG or LPG.

A diesel is what you want, and bio diesel is going to be the most economical.
There are outfits selling filtration units that allow you to make your own fuel in the privacy of your own back yard. All you do is collect oil from somewhere. Most that have these will frequent fast food restaurants and collect their used cooking oil, which the rest. just dumps in a drum for waste collection.

It may sound like a lot of trouble to pack a drum around to fast food places and suck that nasty used oil up, but in the long run you will save THOUSANDS of dollars a year.

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

And I am not so sure about the big units, but I have seen guys put large auto mufflers on the exhausts of a small cheap gas gen and run the pipe in the air about 10 ft. and you can barely even hear it run.

 

[ninfan77]

You "live in the city" and want to run a generator for a 3-5kw grow... and know nothing about bio fuel/diesel or noise muffling. Why do i have the feeling you're going down?

Suck it up, pay the bills.

 

[Pandemic]

OK

The generators you see in the home improvement stores will not work for you as stated above.

Why: They are 3600RPM and built for intermittent use. I doubt even a well built one would last a single grow. It's the RPMs that tear it up so fast as well as increase the fuel consumption.

They are loud! I have looked into sound attenuated ones and they are 67 - 63 dBA at 23'. A Hemp Depot Special will probably be around 80 plus.

I couldn't tell you about consumption but I bet you would be approaching $1.00/KWH

I did the actual /KWH consumption on the Kubota and it's $.45/KWH. That Lister is, hands down, the best generator for the job. There are a lot of people using them in cities, although for legal power.

You are a musician so you have been in a recording studio I imagine. Think about building something similar inside your house/garage for the generator. The same principals are at play when reducing the "heard" niose level.


Crank out some power holmes, I wanna hear about it.


P

 

[EuroToker]

I dunno about any of these numbers, gensets arent really cost effective, and running them on some tra-la-la hippy gas isnt really feasible.

Most people who run getsets are commercial growers who have a front business to avoid road tax on their D and also get quantity at a time.
Like a farm with a diesel tank, or a boat yard etc..

I cant think of any scenarios where 3-5kw is cheaper off the grid with a genset than on it and paying 10-20 cents a kwh worst case secnario.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I cant think of any scenarios where 3-5kw is cheaper off the grid with a genset than on it and paying 10-20 cents a kwh worst case secnario.

at $.45 kwh im spending 180 per 1k per month.

that is $900 per month,,,and were not even starting to factor

a/c,,,,blowers,,,fans,,,,dehumifiders,,,,pumps,,,etc..etc..

>>>so there has to be a better way to do this,,,it is at least

worth looking into. please,,this is an advice thread>>so if any of you

DONT have anything positive to contribute,,, i ask you to please

hold your words and move on ,,, and to Pandemic and HoosierDaddy::

THANK YOU for your input,,,your experience is much appreciated.

A diesel is what you want, and bio diesel is going to be the most economical.
There are outfits selling filtration units that allow you to make your own fuel in the privacy of your own back yard. All you do is collect oil from somewhere. Most that have these will frequent fast food restaurants and collect their used cooking oil, which the rest. just dumps in a drum for waste collection.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

And I am not so sure about the big units, but I have seen guys put large auto mufflers on the exhausts of a small cheap gas gen and run the pipe in the air about 10 ft. and you can barely even hear it run.

this is about what your talking about,,yes???

http://www.truveo.com/Lister-clone/id/1239251603

i bookmarked that website,,i will read it when i have a free moment

it looks like a great resource,, im sure i will have more questions

will be back after i have read this (((and finished trimming the last crop)))

have a great weekend>>>



again THANK YOU to Pandemic and HoosierDaddy for your input,,,your experience is much appreciated.


--BhT

 

[EuroToker]

Sorry to sound negative, I didn't realize anybody could pay such an ungodly amount for energy?


Doesn't your electric company have off peak options? .45 per kw is madness


http://www.dieselserviceandsupply.com/Diesel_Fuel_Consumption.aspx
In europe you're looking at around 70 cents usd per kw in D at road taxed prices.

Thats why i was saying, most commercial growers using gensets have a bobcat business or something where they can have their D tanked in for usually around 25%-50% of normal prices

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

well the rate is $.16kwh >>> that is before the taxes,,, the surcharges,,

the destination rate,,, over baseline,,, and because of our location...

so after all is said and done,,,it is in the $.42-.53kwh>>> four years ago

this same setup would have run me about $250-300 PER MONTH,,, i just

dont understand,, how it is LEGAL ,,, to out right RAPE your customers,,,

with how much them charging for electricity,,,

im suprised water isnt $35/gallon >>>

 

[Pandemic]

running them on some tra-la-la hippy gas isnt really feasible.

This is so funny to me, I have been talking about Bio-fuels. By definition I put up to 10% in my car today (ethanol).

My car is so tra-la-la!


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[robbiedublu]

In 8 wks with 1k in lights I can grow about 4k worth of product. So the electricity required costs about $400. Multiply all of that by 5 in your case. What's the problem? I think thats a pretty good return. I doubt if even you can smoke all of that up yourself.

 

[EuroToker]

I know this isn't an option for every person, but I'd personally just move away from an area charging me that much in electricity.

 

[jarff]

The main reason to use a gen.for growing isn,t to save money,but to make your power bill look lower$ if anyone was doing some research on ppl. with big power bills..I run a 6 kw gen that costs me about $1400 for 8 weeks but my grid power bill shows at about $100 a month...nothing for anyone to be suspicious about......It makes my cost about 12% instead of 5% using grid power...I am still way ahead of the game.I live in the country with no neighbours and my genset has been modified to be very quiet in case of visitors........and "Thats the way I see it"..
good luck
jarff