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ilife

ilife

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Does anybody remember The Motorized Master Sifter presented by CJ Enterprises that was Awarded Grand Prize at the 1st Annual 1988 "Harvest Festival" in Amsterdam Holland????

The Motorized Master Sifter
Turn Your Trash To Stash

Don't discard those valuable leaves before removing the bare essence of your growing efforts. The Motorized Master Sifter seperates the glands without using your hands. Glands are sifted through a stainless steel filter and collected on a gathering tray. Electronic vibration does the work. Hand crafted mahogany with polyurethane finish for long life.
Deluxe model with timer & light. $199.95
From Rockford, IL.

From Sinsemilla Tips magazine 1988.

iLiFE
 
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DogBoy

I dont remember that one but i remember the Pollinator company had something similar a few years back which was for the same purpose. If you fail to find that one maybe you can look them up. The lady who runs it was very cool when i phoned for help with a problem i had a while back.
 
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ilife

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Motorized Master Sifter

So nobody can remember the Motorized Master Sifter?? Or any others like this that came out before the Pollinator?? Not even ONE of the three people that were actually at the 88' Amsterdam Harvest Festival??

iLiFE
 
ilife

ilife

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The "Motorized Master Sifter" Was invented by the late John Gallardi in 1987. It was the first commercial resin collecting machine. He was also the first person to make a rolling tray/sifter with a stainless steel mesh surface and a sliding glass resin collector. Kinda like the bubble box now....

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Chamba

vibration works with a 100, 110 or 125 meshes, but not with fine meshes like a 190, 200 or 220 LPI (lines per inch) ......personally I feel that drills, mixers, vibrators and other electic apparatus used for extracting trichomes is much like riding a noisy motorbike in a beautiful natural setting...sure, it gets you there fast, but you miss out on so much compared to walking along the trail checking out the smells, sounds and sights.........it's also the same as kneading your own dough or buying it ready to bake....the former is more satisfying, the latter is only faster

better quality ice hash can be made by stirring with a wooden stick, it's not faster, but just better in every way..sieving dry material is the same, of course you can use an electric tumbler or a vibration unit to help extract the trichomes, but using your arms and hands is a far more satisfying way of doing it...well, for me anyway

and btw ....generally speaking, vibration or tumblers alone will not produce the absolute best quality, mainly because you need several meshes to produce quality dry sift (unless you are only interested in the first 10% of resin that drops)...

i don't think anyone has an electric dual or triple screen tumbler on the market yet.....actually, it would be quite easy to produce..I've already got plans drawn up in my head, but the market for something like a triple or quattro screen tumbler that produces melt dry sift is probably so tiny, it's not worth it...let's face it, for every dry sifter who wants full melt, there are 300 or 400 people who are extremely happy with the quality (and the quality) they get from a single screen tumbler or flat screen.

and vibration alone doesn't work on the fine meshes as the resin and contaminants (mostly) just dances and pools on the mesh..what you also need to do is card the material back and forth on a 70 micron/200 LPI mesh (along with vibration if you like it) to purify it...this is why dropping a kilo of bud and bud leadf on a stack of 5 or 6 different meshes and flicking a switch won't always/usually produce melty dry sift (as there will always be debris the same size as the trichomes trapped inbetween each layer) ...but carding with electric vibration works as it forces the crap through the holes while the resin heads stay above, but I find carding on a vibrating mesh is unpleasant after about 2 minutes......

more and more people now understand the concept that by using dual or triple screens you will produce a much purer dry sifted resin..perhaps in a few years time there will be a market for a fully automated multi screen dry sifting unit that produces the same quality as the Bubble Box?
 
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Chiefsmokingbud

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Funny you mention that I at one time was thinking about a tumbler that would have like 3 drums in one. You would put the material in the center drum and there would be like 2 outer drums around the center but with different meshes. As you tumblered it would go from the center drum and filter through he outer drums. Problem I saw was collecting the kief from betwwen the drums would probably be a pain.
 
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Chamba

you're right, it would have problems ....but nothing that's impossible to make work....

I think Okief should bring out a dual tumbler using the same mesh sizes as Gypsy's dual screen stash box (check out seedbay.com or seedboutique.com ..on special right now for $75)....any dual combination of mesh sizes ranging between 100 lpi (approx 160 micron) and 130 lpi (approx 120 micron) should work fine....I'm not sure if the inner or outer cylinder should be geared separately so it rotates faster or slower or doesn't matter...testing will tell!

but a tumbler with 3 or more meshes rotating inside each other would probably run into contaminant/quality problems....that concept probably won't work, but's it's not mission impossible ..here's a hint, try not using a design that has rotating mesh cylinders inside mesh cylinders ... but even with a different design that works in theory, to produce a reliable, fully automated, commercial dry sifting unit that's affordable for the market would require some clever engineering and design work...

and anyway.....I haven't looked, but I'm sure there are existing machines used in the farming, scent, food, mining etc industries and the concept could be adapted for an automated resin extraction machine
 
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AmsterdamnesiA

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Both of those are great ideas, I thought about getting one of those paint mixing machines and instead of clamping the paint can and vibrating the ass off it, why not put a in bubblebox instead of a paint can.

sprayquicksystems.co.uk/Collomix.html this is the kind of machine I think would work.
 
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fumancu

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Yep I had one.Its long gone now.Found the motor was a pain.I just took screen out and used for a tray.Made a home made press that I still use.I guess I bought mine in the late 80's.
 
Chiefsmokingbud

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Actually what i was talking about was the drums all moving together at the same time not moving seperately from each other.They would all be connected to each other like a drum inside a drum inside a drum. It would be pretty simple to do but collecting kief from inside the twon outer drums will take some imagination. This would give you 3 grades and the last grade would be collected inside the tumbler.
 
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Chamba

thanks hachis......I like the idea of the springs. I can't see from the photo and the article wasn't clear about it, was it a single or dual screen machine?
 
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Lava Surfer

Looks nice and rustic, but maybe the pictures in the article is just bad cos they don't really look that great to me. Like there is alot of other stuff then trichomes in the sift, but again it might just been bad pictures or my bad eyes!

Anyway IMO there have been made new and better alternatives to the old vibrating sifters, the thumblers work awsome and they are just as easy to use if not easyer.

I have read that people claim you can't make full melt with a thumbler, well try again or get a different screen for your thumble. I have no problem makeing full melt with a 110 mu Screen, just don't spin it for very long!
 
ft100

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what tumbler are you using lava surfer? i am definitely going to try and make my own. It just cannot be that hard to construct. For the price of the 300 or 500 gram models im sure I could make one for cheaper. great pics
 
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