I want to grow a never-ending tree;

[medicine farmer]

that was a rhetorical question to make a point.....where i live i could start a plant in march and it would be huge right now....annual plants outdoors dont "reveg." revegging takes 18 and sometimes as much as 24 hrs of light (strain dependent).

you say "I will let them go as long as they can and
then reveg them and they get huge" but what does that really mean? you let the buds go until the trichs are 100% amber? why would you do that? how would cutting the buds off at the peak of ripeness/potency change the "revegging" youre talking about? this really makes no sense becuase the light cycle to induce budding and mature the buds WILL NOT revegg the plant. also why did you initally say it was people you know then claim you do it yourself when i began to doubt the claim? seems fishy to me.....

 

[fishheadbob]

Buddy of mine lived near the equator where the days are pretty much 12/12 . He tried doing a perennial weed plant which did give a decent yield of quality bud. Then it died, probably of old age. Mj is an annual, not a perennial.

 

[Pseudo]

yeah, and theres a million different kinds of it too, some autoflowers, some is photosensitive, some takes 6 weeks, some takes 20, 3 feet to 30 feet,and a hundered other characteristics, so unless youve grown all 1 million strains, how can you say FOR SURE that this will not work?

 

[medicine farmer]

perrenial cannabis doesnt exist. its like looking for an annual oak tree. its not in the genetics of the plant....there are a million different kinds of dragon flies but even if they are in perfect conditions, they arent perrenial. There are a million different kinds of corn, but once again, its genetics are not designed for perrenial life. if you are talking about planting a seed in the ground outside and it staying there and living for more than a year without any kind of manipulation of light cycles...youre wrong. in thailand and panama, etc this would be the normal method of growing weed if it worked....again i will say this really makes no sense becuase the light cycle to induce budding and mature the buds WILL NOT revegg the plant. try to think logically...think like a scientist....if this works why isnt it done on a large scale? its just like those weight loss pills advertised on TV....that shit wont work or EVERYONE would do it....if it was as easy as an over-the-counter pill no one would be fat. if it was as easy as just letting it revegg right there in the ground then everyone in tropical climates would do it. with the thousands of documented grows on overgrow.com, icmag.com, cannabisworld, treatingyourself, etc there has never been one single confirmed report of a perrenial cannabis plant. through the last 25 or 30 years of commercial cannabis hybridization and seed making there have been autoflowers, webbed leaf plants, stinky plants, low odor plants, purple plants, etc....no one has ever discovered or even claimed to have discovered a perrenial plant. this doesnt strike anyone as odd? can someone PLEASE post the pictures of these perrenial cannabis plants they claim to grow?

 

[Toad]

The only possibility would be to find the gene that is responsible for perennials and add it to the annuals genome. I'm sure it will be done at some point in the future but for now we have to plant these things each year - just like the legal farmers. If you could just grow a tomato down south and it would come back every year don't you think all farmers would do that?

 

[Toad]

Pseudo,
no offense but your logic is flawed. You can't prove a negative.

from wikipedia:
Negative proof, the fallacy of appealing to lack of proof of the negative, is a logical fallacy of the following form:

"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."

It is asserted that a proposition is true, only because it has not been proven false. The negative proof fallacy often occurs in the debate of the existence of supernatural phenomena, in the following form:

"A supernatural force must exist, because there is no proof that it does not exist".

However, the fallacy can also occur when the predicate of a subject is denied:

"A supernatural force must not exist, because there is no proof that it does exist."

"Scientists don't know for sure what natural forces caused the first single-cell life, so it must be intelligent design."

 

[medicine farmer]

hip hip hooray for logic

 

[JuniorBalls]

On re-vegging, a friend had a medium sized plant growing outside last summer in the UK. He harvested around October (ish) and literally left a stump in a pot.

This spring, it started somng back to life and is now far bigger than it was last year, and it's looking rather happy indeed.

To repeat, a wooden stump was left, the plant was cut in one snip leaving around an inch of stem at the bottom, and shoots came stright out of the stem.

The strange thing was it was left outside all winter, and we've had cold snaps and even some snow

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

On re-vegging, a friend had a medium sized plant growing outside last summer in the UK. He harvested around October (ish) and literally left a stump in a pot.

This spring, it started somng back to life and is now far bigger than it was last year, and it's looking rather happy indeed.

To repeat, a wooden stump was left, the plant was cut in one snip leaving around an inch of stem at the bottom, and shoots came stright out of the stem.

The strange thing was it was left outside all winter, and we've had cold snaps and even some snow

Yes, I just did this myself with my Spring plant......doing this overwinter is a real achievement !

I grew her from Christmas, taking her indoors at night to fake long day.... planted out in March, harvested around May, I left some fluffybollocks around the bottom that revegged, this is now bigger than her spring showing and starting flowering for the second time this year, only 50cm high, but 4m wide.......

2 months ago .....

 

[osirica420]

Yes, I just did this myself with my Spring plant......doing this overwinter is a real achievement !

I grew her from Christmas, taking her indoors at night to fake long day.... planted out in March, harvested around May, I left some fluffybollocks around the bottom that revegged, this is now bigger than her spring showing and starting flowering for the second time this year, only 50cm high, but 4m wide.......

2 months ago .....

see..

its just got to be done correctly with the right strains.. as chaos as done..

 

[medicine farmer]

dude osirica....thats not what we are talking about.....ChaosCatalunya manipulated the light cycles artificially....CC created an artificial "summer" from christmas til this spring to veg his plant...in the earliest part of spring the days are short and will induce flowering.......there is a whole thread about how to prevent shocking clones into flower b/c of this.....CC vegged his plant under his "artificial" summer then put it out to flower in the spring. after harvesting in say may or maybe as late as early june the plant is seeing the days getting longer and is approaching the longest day of the year so it will re-vegg and then flower again in the fall....it will not, however, overwinter, and bloom again in the spring.. By artificially manipulating the light cycles you can keep a plant for like 10 years....this is not the same thing as a perrennial outdoor cannabis tree... im sure this thread is making me look like an asshole but misinformation shouldnt be spread....i have a few questions i will ask again

1. you say "I will let them go as long as they can and
then reveg them and they get huge" but what does that really mean?

1a. you let the buds go until the trichs are 100% amber?
1b. why would you do that?
1c. how would cutting the buds off at the peak of ripeness/potency change the "revegging" youre talking about?

2. also why did you initally say it was people you know then claim you do it yourself when i began to doubt the claim?
2a. where are the pics you were gonna get

 

[ithruxix]

Ok, evidently you missed the first post:

"Or, do I just let it do it's thing, then strip all of them buds off, leaving the maristem and a couple of buds? Once that is done, do I throw a makeshift greenhouse over it to help it survive the winter?"

Which means, do I harvest the plant of all of its buds, however leaving as much stem as possible. Once harvested, do I let the plant go dormant, or do I put a makeshift greenhouse over it and start revegging?

What I am trying to do, is force a plant to survive the winter. If a cannabis plant fruits more than once, then could it become a perrenial?

Also, how can you explain junior balls post? seeing as how C is a annual, why did it come back, and grow? Re-veg? So it is possible, even if not of the most perfect conditions?

All speculation now of course, and no you are not making yourself look an asshole, you are merely debating. Thanks!

 

[ithruxix]

one last thing:

MJs closest relative, the hops plant is a perrenial. Possibly at one time, it too was an annual. Until, dun duh dun, it evolved. I want to do that to the mj plant.

 

[medicine farmer]

what you describe with the greenhouse etc would, in theory, work...lemme know how it goes

 

[osirica420]

dude osirica....thats not what we are talking about.....ChaosCatalunya manipulated the light cycles artificially....CC created an artificial "summer" from christmas til this spring to veg his plant...in the earliest part of spring the days are short and will induce flowering.......there is a whole thread about how to prevent shocking clones into flower b/c of this.....CC vegged his plant under his "artificial" summer then put it out to flower in the spring. after harvesting in say may or maybe as late as early june the plant is seeing the days getting longer and is approaching the longest day of the year so it will re-vegg and then flower again in the fall....it will not, however, overwinter, and bloom again in the spring.. By artificially manipulating the light cycles you can keep a plant for like 10 years....this is not the same thing as a perrennial outdoor cannabis tree... im sure this thread is making me look like an asshole but misinformation shouldnt be spread....i have a few questions i will ask again

1. you say "I will let them go as long as they can and
then reveg them and they get huge" but what does that really mean?

1a. you let the buds go until the trichs are 100% amber?
1b. why would you do that?
1c. how would cutting the buds off at the peak of ripeness/potency change the "revegging" youre talking about?

2. also why did you initally say it was people you know then claim you do it yourself when i began to doubt the claim?
2a. where are the pics you were gonna get

Please don't put words in my mouth..

1a. you let the buds go until the trichs are 100% amber?

LOL No

1b. why would you do that?

LOL

1c. how would cutting the buds off at the peak of ripeness/potency change the "revegging" youre talking about?

Revegging happens when the sun tells it so...God knows how long some sativas take to flower completely to til death. I want mine to go as long as it can to its real ripeness. I have grown this strain indoors at 12 weeks there was no sign of amber....

2. also why did you initally say it was people you know then claim you do it yourself when i began to doubt the claim?

people i know in hawaii have done this before and taught me how..
i am currently doing it now but i have not gone thru the revegging stage i was just stating that i am currently doin it..

2a. where are the pics you were gonna get?

i will get them when my boy comes online next time...

 

[medicine farmer]

how did i put words in your mouth? i posted a quote directly from you.....you typed those words exactly as i quoted....then i used my own thoughts and ideas to formulate questions....where am i putting words in your mouth?

you accuse me of putting words in your mouth even though i used a direct quote then to answer my first question you just laugh at me and simply say no rather than explaining "what that really means." awesome....

 

[medicine farmer]

Im doen with this thread, sorry for hijacking your thread ithruxix, good luck with your removable greenhouse, etc. and PLEASE do make a detailed, photo filled post if you pull it off