Breeding with feminised seeds
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The new F1's are quite unstable and often weak in genetic stock.
This doesn't mean it's not possible to produce some nice specimen plants from fem. based parent plants,, but as far as securing genetics for the future is concerned ,, we'd now give it a miss.
White Pearl (fem.) x Sensi Star ,,, aka Marbled White [fritillary]
peace out
n.b. a cross between a fem. line and a non-fem. line ,, is a first generation cross or F1,,, not an F2.
This doesn't mean it's not possible to produce some nice specimen plants from fem. based parent plants,, but as far as securing genetics for the future is concerned ,, we'd now give it a miss.
White Pearl (fem.) x Sensi Star ,,, aka Marbled White [fritillary]
peace out
n.b. a cross between a fem. line and a non-fem. line ,, is a first generation cross or F1,,, not an F2.
Evil 1
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Thanks Docleaf
Theres one variety in particular Opium from paradise which is only available in feminised form, I personally don't know if using a second reverted female would unstabilise the offspring, there is another variable alot of reviews I read on feminised strains is that you still get males, by using one of these males would you still get stable plants or do you think there would be a higher percentage of hermaphrodites never really had a problem with hermies before maybe 5-6 out of 250 seeds I normally start at a time, I'm not trying to produce feminised seeds just don't want a high hermie count and there are alot of nice varieties only available in a feminised form, personally I think it makes life easier for the breeders producing feminised seeds because they dont have to take time consuming steps trying to find the right father.
Theres one variety in particular Opium from paradise which is only available in feminised form, I personally don't know if using a second reverted female would unstabilise the offspring, there is another variable alot of reviews I read on feminised strains is that you still get males, by using one of these males would you still get stable plants or do you think there would be a higher percentage of hermaphrodites never really had a problem with hermies before maybe 5-6 out of 250 seeds I normally start at a time, I'm not trying to produce feminised seeds just don't want a high hermie count and there are alot of nice varieties only available in a feminised form, personally I think it makes life easier for the breeders producing feminised seeds because they dont have to take time consuming steps trying to find the right father.
Charles Xavier
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Greetings Evil 1
I take it by your post count and by the nature of your question that you are new come to this forum or at least new to the arena of breeding. Welcome.
I, myself, am reticent about posting, but since this thread is in its infancy....
The stability of the progeny is almost solely dependent on the stability of the parents. (There is a very small allowance for true phenotypic variation i.e. epigenetic expression, random mutation, translational modification and the like...none of which are truly important at this level of understanding.)
If the parents are not inclined towards expressing intersex traits, then the offspring should likewise be disinclined.
The act, in and of itself, of creating feminized seeds does not increase the frequency of intersex traits in the resulting progeny; poor parental selection is a separate issue.
Yes I, DocLeaf; ease up on the propaganda, nah?
A second 'reverted female' would destabilize the offspring if it recombined 'poorly' with the first specimen. So, we are not so much concerned with the stability of a specimen, as much as we are with its ability and potential to recombine with the other parent in order to produce stable offspring. Stability is case specific, bearing in mind that there is difference between stability and homozygosity.
If you are concerned about "hermaphroditic" specimens, do NOT use 'male' plants discovered in batches of 'feminized' seeds for breeding. They are not 'male' as there were no 'male' chromosomes to begin with in the initial crossing. They are in fact, extreme expressions of the intersex trait and will pass the trait in varying degrees to the progeny. (The alternative: they are the result of an unintentioned 'natural' pairing, but since you can't be certain, discard them to err on the side of caution).
Treat the 'feminized' line like you should any other prospective potential 'female' parent and the resulting seed will perform to expectation.
Sincerely,
Charles.
I take it by your post count and by the nature of your question that you are new come to this forum or at least new to the arena of breeding. Welcome.
I, myself, am reticent about posting, but since this thread is in its infancy....
The stability of the progeny is almost solely dependent on the stability of the parents. (There is a very small allowance for true phenotypic variation i.e. epigenetic expression, random mutation, translational modification and the like...none of which are truly important at this level of understanding.)
If the parents are not inclined towards expressing intersex traits, then the offspring should likewise be disinclined.
The act, in and of itself, of creating feminized seeds does not increase the frequency of intersex traits in the resulting progeny; poor parental selection is a separate issue.
Yes I, DocLeaf; ease up on the propaganda, nah?
A second 'reverted female' would destabilize the offspring if it recombined 'poorly' with the first specimen. So, we are not so much concerned with the stability of a specimen, as much as we are with its ability and potential to recombine with the other parent in order to produce stable offspring. Stability is case specific, bearing in mind that there is difference between stability and homozygosity.
If you are concerned about "hermaphroditic" specimens, do NOT use 'male' plants discovered in batches of 'feminized' seeds for breeding. They are not 'male' as there were no 'male' chromosomes to begin with in the initial crossing. They are in fact, extreme expressions of the intersex trait and will pass the trait in varying degrees to the progeny. (The alternative: they are the result of an unintentioned 'natural' pairing, but since you can't be certain, discard them to err on the side of caution).
Treat the 'feminized' line like you should any other prospective potential 'female' parent and the resulting seed will perform to expectation.
Sincerely,
Charles.
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Im interested in the info in this thread as i was thinking of using a black jack clone from a femmed seed i been running a while as a mother as it starts showing pistils under veg light after 4 or 5 weeks veg and they almost double in amount after just two days on 12/12 and is very nice herb.
I am a total novice at breeding as in i never done it before but instinct tells me this a quality that would be good for breeding , any thoughts from those of you who know?
I am a total novice at breeding as in i never done it before but instinct tells me this a quality that would be good for breeding , any thoughts from those of you who know?
I'm gearing up to hit my Motorbreath (Chem D x SFV fem.) cut with an '88 G13/HP male I've found! My MB cut is super stable, the Ghash male has that musty, oniony teenaged boy underarm funk to it and has passed all my test so far ....my friend grew out my Peyote Purple and found 3 nice females that might get dusted too, for s & g's!
