pure blend organic?

[barneyfife]

i no that the pure blend pro isnt 100% organic.

but what about the orignal pure blend grow and bloom along with the cal/mag would that be organic?
cuz i thought that it was.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Ingredients:
Seabird guano, earthworm castings, fish meal, sea
kelp (ascophyllum nodosum), humic acid, and silica clay extract.

The silica clay extract is the only thing that makes it iffy for me (mostly the extract part).

Cal/Mag will not be organic. Simply amend your soil with Dolomite lime.

 

[Sir_Stickybuds]

it claims to be but it really isn't strong enough alone imo

 

[bounty29]

Orange juice is extract from oranges. Does that have any impact on whether it's organic or not? What is your definition of organic Mr Celsius, I admit mine is a little fuzzy but I'm just curious what your restrictions are.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Being an organic farmer, who actually produces that produce that you buy in the store with the little "Organic" sticker on it. The NOP, USDA and OMRI have a big impact on what I call organic.

Considering that the original definition of organic used to allow genetically modified organisms (otherwise known as GMO's), we can see that certain things some people call organic, are not actually organic.

If you want to make your own mixture of whatever, in your own backyard and call it organic, I'm not going to debate it with you. However, when a VERY large, multi-million dollar company claims to be organic, yet doesn't go through the simple process of getting OMRI listed, then it simply is not organic and they're hiding something. Not to mention, they've been calling PBP organic the whole time and people were agreeing with them, then making excuses like "they don't need to be OMRI certified", yet American Agritech (Botanicares parent company) has released 'Organicare' and it IS OMRI listed.

Heres a quote from Botanicares website:


Q: What should my ppm read during each phase of growth?
A: It is hard to get true reading when using organic nutrients. When using inorganic salts this is a general ppm guideline:

Seedlings 500 ppm
Mid Size 900 ppm
Mature 1300 ppm
Fruiting/Flowering 1500 ppm
Aggressive 1800 ppm
Super Aggressive 2400 ppm

Q: Which American Agritech products are completely organic?
A: Liquid Karma, Pureblend, Pureblend Pro, Clearex, and Activit are each completely organic.

Obvious bullshit

Organic salts do not measure on a TDS/EC/PPM meter accurately. Look at Meta Naturals website and you'll see a nice article on it.

Quit trying to argue with science. Its fine that you like it and its fine that you use it, I've used it. Just don't call it organic, I don't.

 

[BurnOne]

Organic means "it lived".
Perlite, dolomite, Epsom salts and vermiculite never lived. They are "natural" and fine to use in an organic grow.
Burn1

 

[Mr Celsius]

Another possible reason some companies, especially smaller companies, resist OMRI is they simply don't feel paying the fee is worth it. I don't know that for a fact though.

And Mr Celsius has not yet defined what he calls "organic" or what his own criteria are. Inquiring minds would like to know

Already answered:

The NOP, USDA and OMRI have a big impact on what I call organic.

Getting an OMRI label actually opens up a huge amount of revenue for companies. Think about it, a company produces a great product but only produces a smaller amount of the product. Then someone like Seeds of Change approaches them and wants a mass quantity of the product... wouldn't it be good to be OMRI listed?

As for how OMRI feels as to what is organic or not, I cannot tell you... you'll have to contact them about that.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Organic means "it lived".
Perlite, dolomite, Epsom salts and vermiculite never lived. They are "natural" and fine to use in an organic grow.
Burn1

All the ingredients in General Hydroponics 3 part nutrients are natural. We will both agree that they will harm soil biology. I've toured GH's facilities, they explain where there nutrients come from and how its natural.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the perlite, dolomite, epsom salts (in small amounts and preferred foliar feeding) and vermiculite. These are fine to use, but obviously you'll agree that others are not... you can get into a slippery slope here.

 

[BurnOne]

These are fine to use, but obviously you'll agree that others are not... you can get into a slippery slope here.

Exactly Mr. C-
Arsenic is natural, but I wouldn't want it in my grow. I was just giving the definition of "organic".
Burn1

 

[Mr Celsius]

Exactly Mr. C-
Arsenic is natural, but I wouldn't want it in my grow. I was just giving the definition of "organic".
Burn1

As the more experienced members of this forum, we have a responsibility to explain what things actually are, whats harmful and not harmful, what is actually organic and what is not.

People can make their decisions from there.

 

[BurnOne]

Some grow 100% organic. Some grow organic vegan. Some grow organic based.
I don't care... JUST GROW!
Burn1

 

[CT Guy]

I can tell you from a company perspective that we would qualify for OMRI approval on our composts and foods, but the costs associated with it don't make it worth it for us to apply. I think there's got to be a better way of evaluating a product and its contents.

 

[Mr Celsius]

I can tell you from a company perspective that we would qualify for OMRI approval on our composts and foods, but the costs associated with it don't make it worth it for us to apply. I think there's got to be a better way of evaluating a product and its contents.

I fully agree with you. I imagine your company is on a smaller scale and your customer base don't need proof that your products are OMRI listed. Also food? Are you talking about being certified by someone like CCOF?

However, if American Agritech can certify one product, they should be able to certify others. If a smaller company like Hygrozyme's can get OMRI certified, surely the giant American Agritech can be. So its obviously not organic. Potassium Sulfate is OMRI listed... its just not organic, obviously. Why people can see that, I don't know.

 

[barneyfife]

i went with pureblend pro thanks for the replys

 

[BurnOne]

Be sure to get the Pure Blend Pro "1.5-4-5 Soil" formula for flowering.
Burn1

 

[Mr Celsius]

Be sure to get the Pure Blend Pro "1.5-4-5 Soil" formula for flowering.
Burn1

What he said ^^

If you're using RO water or your well water doesn't have any calcium then I suggest using the Cal Mag. The soil formula is a little low on nitrogen (depending on strain) and the Cal Mag has nitrogen in it.

Another option (recommended) is to amend your soil with dolomite lime. For proper amendments of multiple dry ferts/additives, please read 'Organics for Beginners' in my signature or at the top of the Organic section.