Is low potency a recessive trait?

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I feel like we're arguing about creation vs evolution here.

Like I said earlier... Fact will never win over faith because faith does not have to be rational only believed.

This feels like a waste of time but I think you're doing damage with this BS you're posting!

Right there with ya on that one... Only reason I bother to respond to Bubbl3r's posts is to (once again) point out the impossibility of his imaginings (on the basis of observable and known facts and mechanics).

 

[RockyMountainHi]

Like I said earlier... Fact will never win over faith because faith does not have to be rational only believed.
Right there with ya on that one... Only reason I bother to respond to Bubbl3r's posts is to (once again) point out the impossibility of his imaginings (on the basis of observable and known facts and mechanics).

I have been told that everyone has a contribution to make, and free speech is for everyone. With that comes Bubb3's wankerness; and it is the price we pay. Every time I look for the positive in the posts, - the BS piles up too fast. prolly uncool, but it's easier than the other options.



Not all evolution is due to stress - life in a tropical environment leads to bigger, stronger, top of the food chain natural selection. And man has been raising cannabis since he learned to farm. And am I wrong or did hemp grow better in harsh zones wheras HQ cannabis is largely temperate/sub tropical. Don't forget - for hundreds of years - hemp was THE choice for strong, long lasting rope. And what's a good hemp farmer going to work on in his spare time? I suspect it was a natural "Evolution" influenced by mans desire to "Improve" everything. (sarcasm)

Presidents, Washington, Jefferson and Adams all raised "Hemp" and if I'm not mistaken - have traces pf resin in their smoking pipes.

I believe recent generations perceptions of cannabis in general are nothing like the views in historical terms. Remember - the walls of ancient temples have high concentrations of cannabis residue - there was a reason they called the leaders "High Priest"

It's like "feed corn" and "Sweet corn" bred and specialized for different markets. Then there is popcorn!

gotta run, just thinkin some.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

What if PERFECTION is recessive?
Does that mean that low potency is dominate?
And if low potency is dominate does that mean that man by breeding highly potent Cannabis is actually screwing Cannabis up?
I want to start a, "Campaign To Return Cannabis To The Way It Used To Be, Perfect".
"CTRCTTWIUTBF" for short.
Anyone here want to join the "CTRCTTWIUTBF" we will have a meeting as soon as we decide the perfect time, and perfect place.
WoW, this will be PERFECT.....

-SamS

 

[Pops]

Sorry,Sam, but if I join,your club will no longer be perfect. Best make it a one-man club!

 

[bubbl3r]

16 genes? You really are crazy? Where did you get this data?

Thanks Suzy, at least someone is actually reading quite carefully. Of course I meant' to type chromosomes, and I said "if it's true", because I was quoting Grat3fulh3ad.

I believe at the moment, no one actually knows how many genes cannabis has, and the real figure for chromosomes is 20.

If the virus was made by man in a lab I wouldn't call it a natural occurrence. Even if this did happen though it doesn't support your points about 1 perfect plant. I feel like we're arguing about creation vs evolution here. Just because some alleles (that are invisible to the seed maker, unless they are in the presence of said virus) for resistance to a virus have been lost to modern seed making doesn't mean it is an unnatural occurrence. Cannabis can lose alleles in the wild just like it does in the closet.

There are many strains of virus out there, which often mutate over the ages, and their effects are varied. From my observations of nature, I would say "Viruses" are the most unnatural occurance in nature. Their presence is suspicious, in both design and function. There's no doubt, that they have caused havok, with the worlds population of all living organisms.

Harsh environments is what makes populations change and evolve. Since we're all aware of evolution I don't think any of us believe this is the case.

Yes, the responses are natural, as far as evolution is concerned, but the occurances of harsh environments aren't necessarily.

How do you come to this conclusion? This is proof that you have no idea how linkage even occurs. Linkage is a normal part of meiosis! This really sounds like creationism!

LOL, your still not getting it Suzy. Just because it exists, and is frequently observed, doen't make it "normal or natural".

What is "creationism" by the way, and can someone tell me what's this "intelligent design" that all the american school kids are being taught?

We don't have it here in UK, I don't think, but we will probably get it eventually, like most trends in the USA.

The reason that some linked traits have what you call "variable recombination" is because of the distance that they are from each other on a chromosome. Genes that all occur on the same chromosome will experience some linkage and the closer they are to each other on the chromosome the more likely they are to travel together. The further they are apart the more likely that a "cross over" will occur between them and that they will be inherited separately.

No Suzy, that is not the reason, that is merely an observation.

There are forces occuring internally within the cells at the time of seperation, that is why scientists at NASA, have taken dna testing into space, so the effects of gravity for instance, can be eliminated from the equation.

This feels like a waste of time but I think you're doing damage with this BS you're posting!

Suzy, this is a discussion about low potency in cannabis, and whether it is, as a result of a recessive trait or combination of traits.

It is not a study or scientific paper, although it's ok to refer to a few, and all views and opions are worth consideration.

"There is more value, in a conclusion that is dead wrong, than a conclusion that is half right!"



Bubbl3r

 

[bubbl3r]

I have been told that everyone has a contribution to make, and free speech is for everyone. With that comes Bubb3's wankerness; and it is the price we pay. Every time I look for the positive in the posts, - the BS piles up too fast. prolly uncool, but it's easier than the other options.

Wow, another new word "wankerness"...thanks for that!...I will put it in the book with Grat3fulh3ads "intersexedness"

RockyMountainHi, what is astonishing here is that almost all your points, are reinforcing my position. Unfortunately, you couldn't possibly be my star witness thou, as Grat3fulh3ad has reserved that position, as his complete lack of perspective, and unguided direction is unrivaled.





Bubbl3r

 

[bubbl3r]

I want to start a, "Campaign To Return Cannabis To The Way It Used To Be, Perfect".
"CTRCTTWIUTBF" for short.
Anyone here want to join the "CTRCTTWIUTBF" we will have a meeting as soon as we decide the perfect time, and perfect place.
WoW, this will be PERFECT.....

-SamS

Congratulations Sam!!....I think that automatically qualifies you as chairman...lol

Only people who have a positive attitude towards cannabis perfection can join, and there will of course be a simple written test.

Unfortunately, if your name starts with Grat3fulh3ad, then you will be automatically excluded. Other than that, there are no restraints, and all members are welcome.



Bubbl3r

 

[hoosierdaddy]

No responses for my posts, bubbs?

Or do you simply ignore the ones that have you hung up?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

You weren't quoting me, bubbl3r... You are so full of shit...
You may have been quoting one of the sources I quoted... But not me... Why don't you post up the quote, eh?
You can't even get the simplest of concepts right... You have absoluely no perspective on reality... I may be the star witness here, but EVERY single thing I have posted has exposed your utter stupidity completely...

That's why you have such a hard on for me now, and can't stop posting about me...
Get over your 'breeder crush' you're never going to get the kind of attention from me you wish you could have... and even if you could, it won't make up for your parent's lack of loving you...

Your ideas are absolutely the opposite of provable reality, just like your opinions of me... I'm done with your little primary school educated ass (you would be able to carry on an intelligent conversation, maybe if you had stuck with it... Too bad learning is nowhere near as important to you as arguing your religion.

I say religion because there is absolutely NO science that will back up your irrational faith...

You believe things which occur in nature without interference from man are somehow not natural... idiocy!

You nitpick people's words and try to "lawyer" science... too fuckin' funny...

Insult me all you want to, kiddie...

Your complete ignorance of the facts and complete lack of a realistic perspective are plainly evident... This thread has become a big fucking joke, with you Bubbl3r as the butt of it...

Good luck with that... Enjoy your cult...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

No responses for my posts, bubbs?

Or do you simply ignore the ones that have you hung up?

Just like anyone who's belief is based on imagination rather that fact.
Reread the thread... There are about a dozen different points Bubbl3r has been completely unable to address with anything even resembling an intelligent reply.
He's been debunked so hard, it made his ass hurt...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Summary of this thread using metaphor...

Bubbl3r: Does 2+2+7?

Educated responder: no

Bubbl3r: Does 2+2+7?

Educated responder: no, 2+2=4... see?

Bubbl3r: I see you said "2+2="... You must be agreeing with me.

Educated responder: No 2+2=4... Look ££+££=££££

Bubbl3r: Yes, like I said, I beleive 2+2=7

educated responder: It is not possible for 2+2 to equal 7. (provides even simpler explanation)

Bubbl3r: what is a 2?

Educated responders: (explains concept of "2")

Bubbl3r: What does '+' mean?

Educated responder: (explains concept of addition)

Bubbl3r: But, can't you imagine how 2+2 could = 7?

Educated responder: NO, it can't work like that. (provides even more simple explanation along with physical proof)

Bubbl3r: I hate grat3fulh3ad

Educated responder: (cracks joke and laughs out loud)

Observant responder: (laughs at joke about bubbl3r) (makes additional bubbl3r joke)

Bubbl3r: But I think 2+2=7, and I hate grat3fulh3ad.

All responders: (sigh of exasperation... followed with more jokes at bubbl3r's expense)

Bubbl3r: I have a hard on for grat3fulh3ad. btw... 2+2=7.

Grat3fulh3ad: LMAO @ bubbler. (and stops responding to bubbl3r's idiocy.)

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

BTW, Sam... I'm smoking some of your Thai Haze Skunk right now, that flowered for 130 days... heady stuff... absolutely nothing stoned about it, just pure high...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Yeah, but the high is 100% recessive though, if you know what I mean?
Enjoy,
-SamS

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

It seems to have reached into the recesses of my mind... if that's what you mean.
This stuff have a ceiling? that second joint has me fairly soaring...

 

[bubbl3r]

....But if we apply the term perfect, as we know it to be, to the very first cannabis genome, then there would have been no other genes available to use for manipulating the perfect species. How could there be variations of perfection? This alone disproves your so called "theory".

Hoosierdaddy, what you are saying is absolutely correct, it's just the conclusion I don't agree with.

If you were to take a snapshot on that early day, then I agree, that there were no other variations. Mutations, viruses, the various hostile environments and of course man, have all had their part to play, in the sorry state of the cannabis genome, as it appears today. Like man, its regression has a definite timeline, and while some will say all this process is some kind of progression, I disagree.

They think that they are creating something new, reinventing the wheel, by blending the various strains and desired traits, but the wheel has been broke for a very long time now. That just the way it is, and no amount of postive attitude is going change it, with the current direction towards breeding and more importantly conservation.




Bubbl3r

 

[Pops]

Bubbl3r, you have been insulting to many of the posters here, some of them excellent breeders, and you have put out your whacked out theory and provided absolutely no proof. So, what exactly is the purpose of this thread? Just to piss people off? To show your infinite wisdom? Has it been a slow day at school? Did the other kids on the short bus give you a hard time?

You have made a statement on your theory that has no proof. You won't ,despite many requests, even define what you mean by potency. Without any proof to back this alleged theory, it is no better than some of the crap posted in the Tokers Den about 2012 and the aliens coming to get us. Seems to me that you are just another troll, albeit a very stubborn one.

 

[bubbl3r]

Summary of this thread using metaphor...



Quote:
Bubbl3r: Does 2+2+7?

Educated responder: no

Bubbl3r: Does 2+2+7?

Educated responder: no, 2+2=4... see?

Bubbl3r: I see you said "2+2="... You must be agreeing with me.

Educated responder: No 2+2=4... Look ££+££=££££

Bubbl3r: Yes, like I said, I beleive 2+2=7

educated responder: It is not possible for 2+2 to equal 7. (provides even simpler explanation)

Bubbl3r: But, can't you imagine how 2+2 could = 7?

Educated responder: NO, it can't work like that. (provides even more simple explanation along with physical proof)

Bubbl3r: I hate grat3fulh3ad

Educated responder: (cracks joke and laughs out loud)

Observant responder: (laughs at joke about bubbl3r) (makes additional bubbl3r joke)

Bubbl3r: But I think 2+2=7, and I hate grat3fulh3ad.

All responders: (sigh of exasperation... followed with more jokes at bubbl3r's expense)

Bubbl3r: I have a hard on for grat3fulh3ad. btw... 2+2=7.

Grat3fulh3ad: LMAO @ bubbler. (and stops responding to bubbl3r's idiocy.)

Firstly, I would like to say that this quote, is quite entertaining, but not even close to being accurate.

What you have emitted, along with the truth of course, is your trolling, and personal insulting attacks, both here and in private messaging.

Grat3fulh3ad, you may well have influence here, in getting my membership banned, and your right I don't know who you are, but let me tell you, that I'm not intimidated personally by your threats. My patience towards bullies like you, is only equalled by my ability to put pricks like you down, in the blink of an eye. So let me tell you, it's you, that needs to watch yourself....f*cking idiot!!

You've been all over this thread like a rash, so much so I'm think of changing the title to...."I'm Grat3fulh3ad, come see me flame and troll"....twat.

Why don't you take your talk of hard on's somewhere else, and see if you can make someone else's experience, as pleasant as mine.






Bubbl3r

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Sam...
I think I've got it...
In the standard model, all life on the planet started from the same source... the same primitive groups of proteins... which over time became more complex in nature, and began to form RNA and DNA chains which could reproduce themselves with fair accuracy. As time passes, and the proteins interact with the various environmental elements... more complexities come to exist (the most beneficial mutations passed along, and the harmful mutations dying off) and populations descended from individuals with advantageous mutations become different from populations descended from other individuals with other beneficial mutations.

The more time passes (barring extinction level catastrophes) the more diverse life becomes... until we eventually arrive at today where there are literally billions of differing varying patterns built from those original chains of primitive proteins.

The basic concept being...
When mutations occur, the stresses in nature insure that detrimental ones fade from the gene pool and beneficial ones eventually come to be prevalent...

Established provable observable mechanics....

The undereducated originator of this thread would have us believe that...

There once existed a cannabis plant which did not come to exist as the product of normal natural selection, and therefore had no genetic variations (and, coincidentally was perfectly suited to man's future idea of perfection)... But once this unique life form was placed into the natural environment, normal processes which cause genetic changes began to occur... Only somehow they worked in reverse!

Instead of the stresses of nature causing beneficial mutations to proliferate and harmful ones to die off, the opposite occured... and the Perfect alleles became overrun with nasty recessive ones and the strong perfect genes have nearly become lost to the world...

Then man began to further muck things up... Not realizing that the forces which drive evolution actually make the cannabis genome "devolve", he selected only the strongest and most potent plants for next year's seed... Obviously this has caused a major decrease in potency over a relatively short (on an evolutionary scale) time period.

It is easy to be confused by the radical theory, until you realize the unique mechanics of cannabis devolution. Once you allow for cannabis to function under a different set of natural laws, it's pretty simple to believe.

I think we should call it "Bubbl3r's Law of Cannabis Devolution" and inform the nobel prize committee... :wink:

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Firstly, I would like to say that this quote, is quite entertaining, but not even close to being accurate.

What you have emitted, along with the truth of course, is your trolling, and personal insulting attacks, both here and in private messaging.

Grat3fulh3ad, you may well have influence here, in getting my membership banned, and your right I don't know who you are, but let me tell you, that I'm not intimidated personally by your threats. My patience towards bullies like you, is only equalled by my ability to put pricks like you down, in the blink of an eye. So let me tell you, it's you, that needs to watch yourself....f*cking idiot!!

You've been all over this thread like a rash, so much so I'm think of changing the title to...."I'm Grat3fulh3ad, come see me flame and troll"....twat.

Why don't you take your talk of hard on's somewhere else, and see if you can make someone else's experience, as pleasant as mine.






Bubbl3r

lol...

Begging you in PM to stop with the bullshit...
Demanding that you stop your post which are solely personal (my posts address facts, the personal remarks are incedental to that)...
OOhhhhh... I'm a big meannie motherfucker, aren't I...

I'll expose your stupidity everywhere you post it... call it trolling if you like, that's about as valid as the rest of your ASSertions...

I never mentioned the word banned, btw... once again your illiteracy is coming back to haunt you...

Believing in Santa Clause and starting a thread about it is opening your self up to have your personal ideas ridiculed. How can you post up such stupidity so many times and expect that none of the posts will question your intellect.

My summary is EXACTLY how this thread has gone.
You are not blind, you simply have your eyes squeezed tightly shut. The only things you'll ever see like that are your own imaginings. Early on in this thread you ridiculed believing in the experiences of experts, and have certainly stood your ground well.

Now, once more...
If you value your membership here and would like to be a contributing part of the community, STFU with bullshit like this thread which can ONLY serve the purpose of potentially confusing noobs, and get an education. This site is Full of people who Know alot more than you on alot of subjects, If you would only keep your mouth shut and your eyes open.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Bubbl3r, you have been insulting to many of the posters here, some of them excellent breeders, and you have put out your whacked out theory and provided absolutely no proof. So, what exactly is the purpose of this thread? Just to piss people off? To show your infinite wisdom? Has it been a slow day at school? Did the other kids on the short bus give you a hard time?

You have made a statement on your theory that has no proof. You won't ,despite many requests, even define what you mean by potency. Without any proof to back this alleged theory, it is no better than some of the crap posted in the Tokers Den about 2012 and the aliens coming to get us. Seems to me that you are just another troll, albeit a very stubborn one.

Pops... he has to only reference my insults... He has no reply to my facts, except to misinterpret them.