Variegated Vanilluna
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Cannacopia
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I'll take that bet. Seems to me she's from seed since Afghanica kept clone from her that wasn't varigated. If he wanted to keep the varigation he would have had to keep a cut from the varigated branch. Hopefully she's going to be revegetated and the varigation will show in a reveg branch.
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dude you have really got something there, haven't seen anything like it!!! Just gorgeous!
Kinderfeld
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First of all afhganica that plant is so pretty...it makes a nice desktop and I submitted to photo of month. k+++
Couple questions CC, fan of your icmag and other reports by the way. No chlorophyll sounds just awsome and your somewhat half albino plant tooks aweseom too. I want to know if this is a trait you can breed for....or what exactly causes it. I know a lot of DJ's plants will pop out one after another. I hear that if you keep cloning the plant eventually some pigment loses out, any truth to that?
It would seem if you could somewhat breed for something like that breed it. You could also breed it and kick out of of the crap veg or unwanted mutation as well. I dunno just thinking could be way off....but can you imagine buying a bag of albino buds with perfect taste...well if I bought buds that looked fully albino I would question smoking it...lol
thanks bro
kindr
Crazy Composer said:Lovely colorations! I like the green, purple AND white in the Vanilluna. Loverly stuff.
To answer you, bacchus, the white portions of the bud taste GREAT!!!!!! No chlorophyll in it anywhere! Chlorophyll isn't exactly a smoker's best friend as far as taste is concerned, so smoking a bud without it is truly an interesting experience.
I smoked the totally white portion of the above buds with a friend, Stinkymutt, about a year ago. We both were totally lambasted and surprised at how tasty the bud was. The lack of chlorophyll really made it taste extra primo.
On the bad side of the argument, variegated plants aren't as strong physically as normal plants. This is true even in landscape shrubs.
Hope you don't mind these pics in your thread.
Couple questions CC, fan of your icmag and other reports by the way. No chlorophyll sounds just awsome and your somewhat half albino plant tooks aweseom too. I want to know if this is a trait you can breed for....or what exactly causes it. I know a lot of DJ's plants will pop out one after another. I hear that if you keep cloning the plant eventually some pigment loses out, any truth to that?
It would seem if you could somewhat breed for something like that breed it. You could also breed it and kick out of of the crap veg or unwanted mutation as well. I dunno just thinking could be way off....but can you imagine buying a bag of albino buds with perfect taste...well if I bought buds that looked fully albino I would question smoking it...lol
thanks bro
kindr
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Puff Puff pass, I guess you win some and loose some, that's the fun of the bet.
I still think it's even more interesting to hear it's from seed, would it be possible for it to pass the coloring to progeny? If a cut starts to show this pigment loss would that be possible to pass to progeny? What about selfing plants with this type of coloring what might one expect from that?
A quick burst of questions from the peanut gallery, lol.
I still think it's even more interesting to hear it's from seed, would it be possible for it to pass the coloring to progeny? If a cut starts to show this pigment loss would that be possible to pass to progeny? What about selfing plants with this type of coloring what might one expect from that?
A quick burst of questions from the peanut gallery, lol.
Cannacopia
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Whoohooo 
Where do I pick up my blunt prize?
Varigation is a form of cytoplasmic inheritance. http://www.clivias.com/Articles/Article016.htm
Some of the cells only have non-functioning chloroplasts that produce no chlorophyll which is what is green in plants (it is needed for photosysnthesis).
All cells have chloroplasts, but some of the chloroplasts don't produce chlorophyll because of a defective gene. Any cell containing only dysfunctional chloroplasts, and all of the cells that decent from that cell directly, will be white. These cells don't photosynthesize so they don't produce glucose- they rely on energy from other nearby cells. This is also why varigated plants grow more slowly, because the "albino" parts of the plant don't produce energy.
They do grow some albino plants on an agar medium containing glucose and essentially bypass photosynthesis.
Because the trait is inherited from the cytoplasm only some of the plants with the varigated plant as mother will produce the trait. If the father is varigated, the trait won't be inherited. They also call this maternal inheritance.
Even in the plants that come from a varigated mother, only when a cell divides and ends up with only non-functioning chloroplast DNA will the trait be seen. Since many chloroplasts are in every cell, it is rare to end up with cells contaning only non-funtional chloroplasts.
I think that might be what is happening here.
Cannacopia
Where do I pick up my blunt prize?
Varigation is a form of cytoplasmic inheritance. http://www.clivias.com/Articles/Article016.htm
Some of the cells only have non-functioning chloroplasts that produce no chlorophyll which is what is green in plants (it is needed for photosysnthesis).
All cells have chloroplasts, but some of the chloroplasts don't produce chlorophyll because of a defective gene. Any cell containing only dysfunctional chloroplasts, and all of the cells that decent from that cell directly, will be white. These cells don't photosynthesize so they don't produce glucose- they rely on energy from other nearby cells. This is also why varigated plants grow more slowly, because the "albino" parts of the plant don't produce energy.
They do grow some albino plants on an agar medium containing glucose and essentially bypass photosynthesis.
Because the trait is inherited from the cytoplasm only some of the plants with the varigated plant as mother will produce the trait. If the father is varigated, the trait won't be inherited. They also call this maternal inheritance.
Even in the plants that come from a varigated mother, only when a cell divides and ends up with only non-functioning chloroplast DNA will the trait be seen. Since many chloroplasts are in every cell, it is rare to end up with cells contaning only non-funtional chloroplasts.
I think that might be what is happening here.
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Kinderfeld said:
This is what I know about it... A long time ago, in a place far, far away, I was a wholesale nursery supervisor at a major plant nursery. There were many beautiful, variegated plants in our collections, and they were ALL considered fragile compared to their non-variegated counterparts. There were plants like, variegated spirea, which had small, white and green leaves. We also grew the non-variegated variety of spirea. The variegated spirea was always considered slightly less likely to survive in less-than-ideal conditions. The same was true for many of the other variegated varieties of shrubs we cultivated.
As for BREEDING for variegated traits... I'm pretty sure that's not a feasible goal, and this is why I think this... Back at the plant nursery, I was informed that the variegated varieties we grew were all collected as clones from regular plants. In other words,the variegated spirea would have been a normal spirea plant, but one or more branches ended up becoming variegated. THESE variegated branches were cloned. These clones were grown out to see if they would then grow entire plants with TOTAL variegation. Often, they would be only somewhat variegated, and exhibited retarded growth habits, weakness. The true GRAILS of the nursery business were the VERY FEW clones that exhibited a relatively healthy, total variegation. These were the clones that were feasible to cultivate for both their adequate vigor, and their aesthetic values (their cool looks).
That is what I know about this.
If this is right, I'd say that collecting a clone from a fully variegated branch of your Vanilluna COULD, make for another plant with at least as much variegation as what you already see... and if you're lucky... the entire plant COULD look more or less the same as the bud you cloned.
This means sacrificing one of the best buds to make a cutting out of.
but wouldn't it be cool to have a clone of something guaranteed to be variegated? There are so many other varieties of marijuana available in clone form, why not a variegated one??? Peace, good will,
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Very interesting information Cannacopia & Crazy Composer. Crazy C it seems that your experience at the nursery coincides with my limited observations with some older clones. It would be reasonable to suspect that as clones age & multiply the cells chloroplasts would be more likely to become nonfunctional, right?
That's a good read there Cannacopia, clears most of my questions up, thanks.
That's a good read there Cannacopia, clears most of my questions up, thanks.
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JJ-NYC
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My friend's DNL has discolored leafs like this also, but after a while the discolored part of the leaf turns brown and the leaf dies(just the leaf discolors not the bud). This is a genetic diease caused by cloning generation after generation. The strain is from the early 90's and no mother plant has ever been kept. Just clone from clone. The plant is still vigor and produces, but it has some discolored leaves. I also lost the Nigerian Silk to a genetic diease. It was hard to clone and the plant had lost it's vigor.The lower fan leafs and then the branches would just die. Working it's way up the plant until it was dead. I couldn't keep a mother. I gave it to a friend who lost it too.Crazy Composer said:
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One of the best clones in the WORLD has slight variegation. ChemdogD had speckled leaves to it. At least mine does. It's not nearly as severe as what we see in this thread, and it's only on the leaves, but CDD has variegation. It's an old clone, but I'm not really sure just being an old clone is what makes plants variegated.
I think, since taking clones of variegated branches promotes more of the same variegation in further clones, that my clone was taken from a branch that happened to be slightly variegated at some point, and the trait was locked in.
As for age causing this... I'm thinking it's just a matter of time before one of these variegated branches shows up, and if one of these branches is cloned, all clones from that point on will be capable of variegation.
I think, since taking clones of variegated branches promotes more of the same variegation in further clones, that my clone was taken from a branch that happened to be slightly variegated at some point, and the trait was locked in.
As for age causing this... I'm thinking it's just a matter of time before one of these variegated branches shows up, and if one of these branches is cloned, all clones from that point on will be capable of variegation.
mostwanted
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Crazy because ive seen chemdog post that the D has a virus but the one we received from Joe B directly grows TURBO!
My ChemD has the variegation, but is a PHENOMINAL plant nevertheless.
My private photo stash, for example
My private photo stash, for example
None whatsoever.
The sample I smoked with Stinkymutt was 99% white... on purpose. I wanted to know what ONLY the white stuff tasted like in a joint. The sample sat in a glass jar for several months before smoking it.
Here's a special treat. I have been saving these photos for publish in the magazine, for well over a year now. I just can't see how they'd be used in a story, so I'll use them here. They'd be cool to see in the magazine, but in what context can they really be presented??? So here's my private stash of variegated Sharon photography.
peace, good will,
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My private photo stash, for example
Bacchus said:
None whatsoever.
The sample I smoked with Stinkymutt was 99% white... on purpose. I wanted to know what ONLY the white stuff tasted like in a joint. The sample sat in a glass jar for several months before smoking it.
Here's a special treat.
I have been saving these photos for publish in the magazine, for well over a year now. I just can't see how they'd be used in a story, so I'll use them here. They'd be cool to see in the magazine, but in what context can they really be presented??? So here's my private stash of variegated Sharon photography. peace, good will,
cc
Kinderfeld
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Thats what im talking about CC lol....nice bright yellow buds you got there...shit looks so cool...thanks for the info everyone.
