Is low potency a recessive trait?
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Hal
First off....what is your hypothesis? What leads you to ask this question? What makes you think that low potency might be a recessive trait?
No.
Low potency is the lack of the plant to produce large amounts of THC & the terpenoids.
This can be because the plant has few sites of resin production, trichomes. Or it can be because the Cannabinoids produced are not THC, or the terpenoids are not the ones you enjoy. Maybe a lack of the THC synthase BT.
-SamS
Low potency is the lack of the plant to produce large amounts of THC & the terpenoids.
This can be because the plant has few sites of resin production, trichomes. Or it can be because the Cannabinoids produced are not THC, or the terpenoids are not the ones you enjoy. Maybe a lack of the THC synthase BT.
-SamS
To follow up on Sam's post (difficult to follow Sam the Skunkman but i will try)....
Many plant characteristics are controlled by a number of different genes at different positions on the genome.....in fact, researchers currently think that plant sex is governed by up to a dozen different genes.....so, it is really not accurate to say that THC levels are determined by one single gene which happens to be either dominant or recessive......
We know much less about plant genetics than we do about animal genetics......even less about the cannabis plant since the FDA prohibits academic researchers from studying this important plant.....
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Many plant characteristics are controlled by a number of different genes at different positions on the genome.....in fact, researchers currently think that plant sex is governed by up to a dozen different genes.....so, it is really not accurate to say that THC levels are determined by one single gene which happens to be either dominant or recessive......
We know much less about plant genetics than we do about animal genetics......even less about the cannabis plant since the FDA prohibits academic researchers from studying this important plant.....
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going on wut ive read i think the fact that mj will revert back to hemp isa big clue to finding the answer to this. mankinds intervention has improved on the drug qualities thru selection over lotsa years im thinking. if mjs momentum is towards hemp im thinking dominance would lay on the hemp qualities ruther than the sport cut only elites?
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poorwhite farmer.
while what you are saying may have some basis, I believe you need to take other factors into consideration.
my apologies if this information lacks accuracy, as it is just what I have taken from reading and I am not an academic or scientist by any means.
Hemp seems to be the product of tougher climate conditions. You will notice that, where hemp originated, is generally northern latitudes.
while cannabis is in its ideal environment, plants can breed to produce offspring that are less hardy and more focused on other qualities like potency. However, as the cannabis genetics move further from the equator, there is a noticeable decline in potency, as hardiness is naturally selected. This is, from what I understand, due to the nature of plants surviving. In rougher climates, further from the equator, the plants that can survive long enough to produce viable seed are the ones that survive, and many potent examples may be lost along the way due to nutrient senesitivity, late flowering, and a variety of other factors. In milder, and more ideal climates, cannabis of a less hardy nature often has the ability to mature and produce offspring.
SOmetimes plants such as true kushes develop, over periods of time, the ability to produce viable offspring and have great potency. with these plants, what is given up is the yield, as the plants produce much less, but maintain a high quality, while often maturing quite earlier and developing higher photosensitivity in terms of dark hours needed to flower, than other cannabis plants.
while what you are saying may have some basis, I believe you need to take other factors into consideration.
my apologies if this information lacks accuracy, as it is just what I have taken from reading and I am not an academic or scientist by any means.
Hemp seems to be the product of tougher climate conditions. You will notice that, where hemp originated, is generally northern latitudes.
while cannabis is in its ideal environment, plants can breed to produce offspring that are less hardy and more focused on other qualities like potency. However, as the cannabis genetics move further from the equator, there is a noticeable decline in potency, as hardiness is naturally selected. This is, from what I understand, due to the nature of plants surviving. In rougher climates, further from the equator, the plants that can survive long enough to produce viable seed are the ones that survive, and many potent examples may be lost along the way due to nutrient senesitivity, late flowering, and a variety of other factors. In milder, and more ideal climates, cannabis of a less hardy nature often has the ability to mature and produce offspring.
SOmetimes plants such as true kushes develop, over periods of time, the ability to produce viable offspring and have great potency. with these plants, what is given up is the yield, as the plants produce much less, but maintain a high quality, while often maturing quite earlier and developing higher photosensitivity in terms of dark hours needed to flower, than other cannabis plants.
bubbl3r
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Hal - Yes or No please, and your reasons, then I will explain.
Sam the Skunkman - thank you for your input!
I think you've given us some ways to determine or measure whether a plant is low in potency, but arent "all other things being equal", the characteristics you've described, genetically inherited. If so, then can you consider low potency to be inherited?
If you can, then at this stage in the evolution of cannabis growing and breeding, can low potency be considered to be a recessive trait?
I'm sure when your breeding, that you are actively selecting "desired traits" and neglecting "undesired traits".
An exmaple of desired traits might be colour, smell, taste, structure, and even by your own definition, density of trichomes.
When considering your definition of low potency, with regards to breeding, I'm pretty certain you wouldn't be selecting a "low density of trichomes", as a criteria, or a desired trait in your plants.
So the question is, at what stage down the hypothetical breeding or inbreeding line, can we consider low potency to become a recessive trait?
Guineapig - how very nice to see you, and as usual thanks for the quality input!
Yes, I have to agree that the keys to understanding the complex processes involved in cannabis genetics, have yet to be discovered. Lets just hope when they do discover them, they have the conviction to share the discovery with us all.
If I accept, that there maybe more than one gene controlling or determining high or low potency, will you accept my alteration and re-phrasing..... "Is low potency a recessive trait, or possibly a combination of recessive traits".
poorwhitefarmer - very interesting perspective!
Answer me this, which came first the chicken or the egg....lol
Was the first ever cannabis plant hemp?....and, did it evolve through evolution to become the high potency plant it is today?....or alternatively, was the first ever example of cannabis, an ultra super mega potent plant, and what has evolved today, is just a combination of climatised and recessive low potency genetics.
FirstTracks - nice expansion on the topic!
You suggest that there maybe a link between potency, the time restraints and ability to reproduce, and the yield.
I wonder if you could now speculate for me, on how cannabis could evolve genetically in potency, appearence, and interestingly on what the ideal growing and flowering cycle times could be, if all the conditions were maintained perfectly over time.
Bubbl3r
Sam the Skunkman - thank you for your input!
I think you've given us some ways to determine or measure whether a plant is low in potency, but arent "all other things being equal", the characteristics you've described, genetically inherited. If so, then can you consider low potency to be inherited?
If you can, then at this stage in the evolution of cannabis growing and breeding, can low potency be considered to be a recessive trait?
I'm sure when your breeding, that you are actively selecting "desired traits" and neglecting "undesired traits".
An exmaple of desired traits might be colour, smell, taste, structure, and even by your own definition, density of trichomes.
When considering your definition of low potency, with regards to breeding, I'm pretty certain you wouldn't be selecting a "low density of trichomes", as a criteria, or a desired trait in your plants.
So the question is, at what stage down the hypothetical breeding or inbreeding line, can we consider low potency to become a recessive trait?
Guineapig - how very nice to see you, and as usual thanks for the quality input!
Yes, I have to agree that the keys to understanding the complex processes involved in cannabis genetics, have yet to be discovered. Lets just hope when they do discover them, they have the conviction to share the discovery with us all.
If I accept, that there maybe more than one gene controlling or determining high or low potency, will you accept my alteration and re-phrasing..... "Is low potency a recessive trait, or possibly a combination of recessive traits".
poorwhitefarmer - very interesting perspective!
Answer me this, which came first the chicken or the egg....lol
Was the first ever cannabis plant hemp?....and, did it evolve through evolution to become the high potency plant it is today?....or alternatively, was the first ever example of cannabis, an ultra super mega potent plant, and what has evolved today, is just a combination of climatised and recessive low potency genetics.
FirstTracks - nice expansion on the topic!
You suggest that there maybe a link between potency, the time restraints and ability to reproduce, and the yield.
I wonder if you could now speculate for me, on how cannabis could evolve genetically in potency, appearence, and interestingly on what the ideal growing and flowering cycle times could be, if all the conditions were maintained perfectly over time.
Bubbl3r
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bubbl3r,
Do you understand the difference between a dominate trait and a recessive one? If you want to say that low potency is recessive regardless if one trait or many recessive traits. Then I do not agree because it is not recessive traits it is the lack of the traits that are needed to produce potent plants, that make low potency. They are not the same at all.
poorwhitefarmer&FirstTracks,
Also I do not believe that Drug varieties will devolve into hemp, both Drug varieties and Hemp have been created by man, either one will not be right without the hand of man to maintain them, one for drug one for hemp. It is true without the hand of man that drug varieties will lose their high THC levels, but they do not turn into good hemp varieties, they just lose their high THC levels. I can easily make high THC varieties that can be grown outdoors in the far north. And very low THC varieties that are for hemp to be grown on the Equator. It is the hand of man not the environment.
-SamS
Do you understand the difference between a dominate trait and a recessive one? If you want to say that low potency is recessive regardless if one trait or many recessive traits. Then I do not agree because it is not recessive traits it is the lack of the traits that are needed to produce potent plants, that make low potency. They are not the same at all.
poorwhitefarmer&FirstTracks,
Also I do not believe that Drug varieties will devolve into hemp, both Drug varieties and Hemp have been created by man, either one will not be right without the hand of man to maintain them, one for drug one for hemp. It is true without the hand of man that drug varieties will lose their high THC levels, but they do not turn into good hemp varieties, they just lose their high THC levels. I can easily make high THC varieties that can be grown outdoors in the far north. And very low THC varieties that are for hemp to be grown on the Equator. It is the hand of man not the environment.
-SamS
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bubbl3r
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Sam Skunkman, let me see if I understand you correctly.
Are you saying that its when there's a lack of "high potency traits", that a low potency is realized, and not that low potency is in itself a "trait" persay....interesting perspective if its that what your saying...thank you!
Btw, I'm not sure if its safe to say that hemp, and the cannabis we know today was created by man. Maybe the last couple of hundred years, there's been some manipulation...lol
Bubbl3r
Are you saying that its when there's a lack of "high potency traits", that a low potency is realized, and not that low potency is in itself a "trait" persay....interesting perspective if its that what your saying...thank you!
Btw, I'm not sure if its safe to say that hemp, and the cannabis we know today was created by man. Maybe the last couple of hundred years, there's been some manipulation...lol
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I am saying that Cannabis is not naturally high in THC, or naturally a good hemp variety, these were created by man. Of course Cannabis itself was not created by man, everyone knows it was brought to earth by the Space Bros. and a lot longer ago then the last couple of hundred years.
-SamS
-SamS
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Sam Skunkman, if that is true, that cannabis is losing alleles and traits, then can I float the idea that, at some stage, there must have been one "GOD" plant, that was supremely potent, and had all the alleles, and every high potency trait you refer too.
LOL....the space bros.
I think when they decifer the genetic codes, they will find it spells out, "What do you think of our reefer ay"...
Bubbl3r
LOL....the space bros.
I think when they decifer the genetic codes, they will find it spells out, "What do you think of our reefer ay"...
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Or people that collected/grew Cannabis for drug purposes and found wild Cannabis that naturally had moderate to low THC and they grew it and selected out a few BT/BT (by smoking) plants with lots of trichome sites and made seeds from only the best of the best for how ever many generations to help fix the traits. This can all be done by farmers/smokers as seen in Thailand, Afghanistan, Mexico, Columbia, and elsewhere.
-SamS
-SamS
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Sam Skunkman.....I see, so what percentage of the so called high potent strains from those countries, do you think have been purposely bred by farmers over the years?.....and do you think they are stronger than the naturally grown wild landraces?
I'm curious as to how good you think those farmers efforts have been, compared to say your own as a breeder.
Bubbl3r
I'm curious as to how good you think those farmers efforts have been, compared to say your own as a breeder.
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Drug strains of cannabis have a generous layer of trichomes, but I think this is not a stable trait, I believe it is more an "artificial" result of intensive breeding, so scaped drug strains would quickly become bland because a heavy coat of resin is not their main goal.
Blandness is cannabis natural state, potency is the result of conscious breeding
Blandness is cannabis natural state, potency is the result of conscious breeding
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Id say yes and no because some plants have a point of THC production when thats where it stays at, and some you can improve with your controls humidity,PH,Additives,Nutrients,Lights,Space.. you can always improve it..
Sorry if that wasnt you asked.. but thats my point of view of it.
Sorry if that wasnt you asked.. but thats my point of view of it.
but trichs don't nesscerly mean potent right? i know that its a good indication,but not always,from what i understand,
or is it since it has alot of trichs,it has the potential,to be potent,in terms of breeding?
like,i've seen pics of hemp coverd in trichs....now,would that strain of hemp,be more prone to produce a potent hybred if you breed it to a higher potency drug strain?
i don't know if that makes sense
or is it since it has alot of trichs,it has the potential,to be potent,in terms of breeding?
like,i've seen pics of hemp coverd in trichs....now,would that strain of hemp,be more prone to produce a potent hybred if you breed it to a higher potency drug strain?
i don't know if that makes sense
bubbl3r
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killa-bud said:but trichs don't nesscerly mean potent right? i know that its a good indication,but not always,from what i understand,
or is it since it has alot of trichs,it has the potential,to be potent,in terms of breeding?
like,i've seen pics of hemp coverd in trichs....now,would that strain of hemp,be more prone to produce a potent hybred if you breed it to a higher potency drug strain?
i don't know if that makes sense
Yes it does!
This is about what most breeders are trying to do, in that they are breeding for high potency. You would expect them to start with at least one high potent parent, with the intention of passing on those, genes and dare I say it "traits".
I've heard people say yeah its smokes just like the mum etc.
Well how can the offspring of a parent mum, smoke just like the mum, and have a similar potency profile and intensity, if that isn't hereditary?
If you accept potency could be hereditary, then can you accept no, or low potency could be too?
If its not a trait or combination of traits, then how can the offspring have the same cannbinoid profile?...by chance perhaps.
Bubbl3r
I don't think that any wild landraces are potent, all the potent varieties were made by man.
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