MOD BX VERTICAL COCO TREES

[Pythagllio]

I use those mosquito bits that have a predatory bacteria in them. They keep the fungus gnats away for sure. I use soil so they might not work as well in coco. They make a liquid form which works better/costs more called Gnatrol. same bacteria.

You might like to recalculate. Gnatrol is much less expensive on a gram for gram basis of the active ingredient.

BTI at Lowe's in the form of mosquito dunks @ about 10% BTI = .275 ounces of BTI per package at ~$10 = $36.30 per ounce.

I purchased a 2.5 gallon of Gnatrol for a little less than $150 delivered. It's about 6%, giving you 19.2 ounces of BTI @ $7.81 per ounce.

quick pop quiz: which weighs more, a fluid ounce or a dry ounce. Ring the game show buzzer if you think they weigh the same.

Gnatrol is much much cheaper by weight than mosquito dunks.

 

[Guest]

You might like to recalculate. Gnatrol is much less expensive on a gram for gram basis of the active ingredient.

BTI at Lowe's in the form of mosquito dunks @ about 10% BTI = .275 ounces of BTI per package at ~$10 = $36.30 per ounce.

I purchased a 2.5 gallon of Gnatrol for a little less than $150 delivered. It's about 6%, giving you 19.2 ounces of BTI @ $7.81 per ounce.

quick pop quiz: which weighs more, a fluid ounce or a dry ounce. Ring the game show buzzer if you think they weigh the same.

Gnatrol is much much cheaper by weight than mosquito dunks.

Thanks for doing the math P. Do you know what the shelf life of Gnatrol is?

Just so nobody gets confused on the matter; fluid ounces are a measure of volume and ounces are a measure of weight.

 

[Pythagllio]

Sorry I don't know the shelf life. It is now a regular additive to my solution as I seem to have a spawning place for fungus gnats near enough that I can't get rid of them. Anyone that thinks the little devils left alone are just a nuisance either has predators or has been lucky so far. I left my eight week girls for fourteen weeks, they never finished, and when I pulled them up they had maybe two long stringy roots left. Once the gnats damage the root structure they'll never recover in flower IMO. Anyway, I likely went way overboard and bought too much but I was into carpet bombing the little fuckers when I bought. If it lasts it lasts but it did the job whereas the dunks did not. I think it's because the dunks are time released not because they're less efective. Gnatrol is available by the quart. Well supposedly. One minor reason why I went with 2.5 gallons is it seemed sold out at lesser quantities when I was shopping and I wanted it yesterday. Perhaps at that quantity it is slightly more expensive than dunks, I haven't done the math there.

It's been an effed up year here for bugs. No sooner had I gotten the gnats under control when I noticed some webbing and realized I had spider mites. But at least I know how to deal with them quickly. Gosh, i think it's been 10 years since I had any bugs at all. It's been a rotten year for me on the hobby front.

 

[Guest]

Yeah buddy. Besides eating the roots, they create openings for all kinds of malevolent microbes.

My googling shows that the consensus seems to be a shelf life of about 1 year. Also, results are saying Gnatrol in its liquid form has been discontinued and it's powdered replacement isn't yet widely available. Get it while you can!

 

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[Guest]

CNS-17

CNS-17

I was waiting to finish off a bottle of PBP Bloom before I cracked my gallon o' CNS-17 Bloom. This stuff is already on point. 1cc per gallon RO = 100 microsiemens, so that can't get any easier. The ph is perfect and I'm not having to use any + or -. This stuff smells like a fresh swimming pool, summer breeze type shit. The kicker, $25 per gallon. Oh yeah!

This stuff kinda has me excited about coco again. I'm thinking I should setup a dripper system for my next run. I don't see how anything could be easier than run-to-waste with a setup like that.

So this has been a shout-out to the peeps behind CNS-17. I'm thinking I may have found my groove......... good times.

BTW I'm running @ 8ccs/gallon and loving it. Let's see what these chelates can do.

 

[DEDHEDFRED]

Hey Even.....I just wrote this in the thrip thread but If all ya`ll coco growers would get some SM-90 for your mixes , you`ll not haveta worry bout bugs ever again cuz the shit won`t allow the lil bastards ta colonize........I`ve had it in my rez`s for yrs to prevent root rot but it also keeps bug infestations from ever getting a foothold in your rootzones.......If yas keep yer coco wet as a hydro medium instead of letting it dry out between feeds like a soil grow, then a moist hot environment is perfect for fungas gnats , thrips, spidermites, whiteflys ........You name it........Coco`s easily treated with gnatrol and the spinosad sprays , but why haveta use em at all ?......Go read up on it.....Supposed ta be an excellent foliar to kill existing bugs as well although I`ve not used it as such......Does do the whammy to beneficial bacteria but hey I use GH 3 part........4hydroponics.com in the growroom category............Ya`ll take care.........DHF...... .........

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the heads up DHF. I've been using neem, but if I can use SM-90 in my res and pay less for an all-around better performer, I'll be all over that. K+

 

[00420]

Hey Even.....I just wrote this in the thrip thread but If all ya`ll coco growers would get some SM-90 for your mixes , you`ll not haveta worry bout bugs ever again cuz the shit won`t allow the lil bastards ta colonize........I`ve had it in my rez`s for yrs to prevent root rot but it also keeps bug infestations from ever getting a foothold in your rootzones.......If yas keep yer coco wet as a hydro medium instead of letting it dry out between feeds like a soil grow, then a moist hot environment is perfect for fungas gnats , thrips, spidermites, whiteflys ........You name it........Coco`s easily treated with gnatrol and the spinosad sprays , but why haveta use em at all ?......Go read up on it.....Supposed ta be an excellent foliar to kill existing bugs as well although I`ve not used it as such......Does do the whammy to beneficial bacteria but hey I use GH 3 part........4hydroponics.com in the growroom category............Ya`ll take care.........DHF...... .........

all 2nd this...........sm-90 is the bomb gnats dont have a chance ....btw it smells good to good looking grow ES how you liking that Sunleaves Piece Coir i been thinking of trying some

 

[Guest]

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all 2nd this...........sm-90 is the bomb gnats dont have a chance ....btw it smells good to good looking grow ES how you liking that Sunleaves Piece Coir i been thinking of trying some

Hiya 00420.

The Piece Coir turned out decent. I'm thinking I could have gotten away with just the one soaking to break up the brick, but if that's not your speed, they do have prepped bags of the loose stuff. Can't go wrong with Sunleaves coir.

It's a PITA to hand-water though. I'm still trying to figure out to how keep runoff to a minimum. Unless I get some automation kicking, I'm switching to the classic. I'm having to water 2x/day in my veg tent, but it does get rather warmish in there with temps in the 90's. :::shrugs::: It's good stuff.

Don't be a stranger.

 

[00420]

Hiya 00420.

The Piece Coir turned out decent. I'm thinking I could have gotten away with just the one soaking to break up the brick, but if that's not your speed, they do have prepped bags of the loose stuff. Can't go wrong with Sunleaves coir.

It's a PITA to hand-water though. I'm still trying to figure out to how keep runoff to a minimum. Unless I get some automation kicking, I'm switching to the classic. I'm having to water 2x/day in my veg tent, but it does get rather warmish in there with temps in the 90's. :::shrugs::: It's good stuff.

Don't be a stranger.

thx for the info
i been kicking the coco idea around for some time now and i belive its time i have been really happy with chunky perlite i think all be doing a few test with coco n a mix with perlite....

for automation man that is a must it can be done very cheap ( as little as $7 a plant)
i get the buckets at the dolla tree 1 gallon (they have 2 gallon ones to )
2 buckets= $2
3/4 grommet = $1
3/4 tee/elbow=$1
3/4 hose=$1/foot
1/2 hose=$.75/foot
1/4 hose=$5.99/50feet
1/4 barb's=$.25 each or 15-20 for 3.99 (? something close to that)
185gph pump 12.99
i kicked the hydroton and went back to 100%perlite

 

[Guest]

I tried pressure compensating drippers once and they clogged the first time I turned them off. Now I have R/O and I'm looking into stake drippers so it almost seems like I'd be a sucker not to try it.

Man, it would be sweet to have the ability to go a week+/long time without having to check on them; and I thought E&F was easy. Yeah, I gotta get this DTW happening real soon.

 

[DEDHEDFRED]

Open ended 1/4" drip tubing run ta waste is babyshit ta set up w/coco Even........When I set my feed system up for my vertical racks I did`nt have the gutters and downspouts put in so instead I wrapped and covered all the shelf racks with pondliner rubber membrane and hadta do some dry runs with the system to see how long it took to saturate my smartpots but with minimal runoff cuz I had nowhere for it ta go ya know ?........After checkin shit out for a few days I found out how long it took for total saturation and very lil runoff , so I put all the pre-vegged cuts in the room and set the timer for once a day feed to saturate and never looked back.......You will haveta run r/o water through the plants every week to take care of residual salt buildup but once you get shit dialed the system runs itself........Once a day feed all the way through 2 weeks or so of flower w/grow nutes , flushed the shit outta the plants and then shoved bloom nutes up their ass and then once they started drinkin more I upped it to twice a day till The last week or so and then r/o water ta wash the rest of the nutes out of the medium till choptime........Babyshit Bro.......Try it you`ll be amazed how easy it is once you know the magic numbers of your own system.......I found out usin chunks mixed with the fiber makes for way better aeration while allowing em ta dry out faster to keep chances of overwatering and boggin down from happenin.....Take care ES......Oh......btw.....I only go to my rooms once a week with no problems whatsoever....Just takes watchin em for a while and then yer golden........DHF....... ..........

 

[Guest]

Yeah, open lines sound promising. I'm wondering how many it would take to evenly cover a 5-gallon bag. Fertigation around here acts a lot like a waterfall; no sooner do I tip the pitcher than water comes pouring out the bottom. I'm wondering if open lines might act in the same manner.

 

[00420]

I don't dtw I reuse that shit just make sure u have a filter and a topoff
y waste nute's I think 1 dripper for a 5 gal will do

 

[tricky]

nice too see ur around 00420 jah bless tricky

 

[Guest]

I don't dtw I reuse that shit just make sure u have a filter and a topoff
y waste nute's

You gotta dump that res sometime.

 

[Guest]

nice too see ur around 00420 jah bless tricky

Yo 00420....... is there room on your nuts for one more?

 

[DEDHEDFRED]

I use 1 tube per 5 gal. smartpot ES...Coco will absorb and wick the full bag once you know how much time it takes your pump for the juice it takes for total saturation in each container on a as needed basis.........Like I said earlier......You`ll haveta monitor and dial the as you call it fertigation from a drip tube top fed system for enough time till you`re confident of the amount of solution you`ll be using every time the pump comes on for your plants needs........Take care.......DHF........... ........