he said she said whats the truth?

[autoflower]

i do my homework before i start a new thread and in this case i couldnt find any relevant info here. my prob is that there seems to be a lot of "know it alls" on the forums that discourage me when im looking for a new strain and what i mean is when i try to find true and accurate info about a strain i always find a post like this "WELL IT IS A GOOD STRAIN IF YOU GET THE PRE- 1995 VERSION". what the hell does that mean? that makes no sense. i dont know alot about breeding but i know that parent plants cannot be kept alive forever so does this mean that a strain that was available in 1987 will not be the same if ordered today. for example northern lights or shiva skunk or early girl or skunk no.1 or what about newer strains such as mikado? soooo what is the truth? could someone with real knowledge on this subject please chime in. thank you all.

 

[Wooden Eye]

Little know it all.

Little know it all.

AUTO More Home work required! If you wanna pass. Pre1995 strains were the old school stuff when t0kers were out to help each other and now we got huge organised Houses turning out beasters without a care for Quality.Profits before people.No one cares for the poor.Go smoke Soap.Be cool fool.

 

[bounty29]

...i dont know alot about breeding but i know that parent plants cannot be kept alive forever...

Why can't they?

 

[marijuanamat]

Mamas and papas can be kept alive indefinatly if there maintained properly,i've got plants over 5 years old,but your right about old varieties not being the same as they originally were.Take skunk#1,that use to be a mostly sativa but now most seed companys skunk#1 has been indicafide,there are a few with the original's like FDM the pure and seedsmans which is old FDM stock which originates from sam.

 

[autoflower]

marijuanamat i didnt realize that thanks. woodeye im not stupid and i realize that all these new cats are just making copies and crosses of the classics. im talking more about legendary strains from the old school breeders such as sensi;DP;FDM;legends;federation;paradise;soma;BCSC;dr. atomic;jordan of the islands;sagamartha;th seeds. so if i get mikado or early girl or NL or shiva skunk or big bud from one of those legendary breeders WILL IT BE THE REAL DEAL?

 

[Guest]

Hey autoflower

I wouldn't pay much attention to statements such as the one you mentioned. I think usually they are given by people pretending to know a lot about a strain, but probably know nothing about it.

My personal view is that if you buy an established strain from an established breeder, you're probably going to get the real thing. Sensi seeds doesn't change their strains once they've been released, none of them. They will tell you its unethical to modify a strain and then continue to market it as the same strain. Many of their parent plants exceeds 30 years in age and if you email them, they will tell you their skunk1 or NL is the same plant today as it was years ago. Paradise hasnt changed their strains nor has serious seeds or Dr. Atomic and when a breeder creates a good strain, he generally doesn't modify it without making note of the change.. It may be crossed with other plants but it will be given a seperate identification. Go with quality and you'll get quality.

 

[lasko]

It will be a real deal you will have good herb to smoke, but it will be not the same like 1990 stuff

 

[lasko]

Sensi seeds doesn't change their strains once they've been released, none of them. They will tell you its unethical to modify a strain and then continue to market it as the same strain. Many of their parent plants exceeds 30 years in age and if you email them, they will tell you their skunk1 or NL is the same plant today as it was years ago.

Silverback respect but i dont agree with you on this. First time i run skunk1 from seensi it was like 90-91 and last time 2 years ago - 2 diferent things , but anyway still very good smoke

respect

 

[imnotcrazy]

They most certainly do revamp strains over time:

Serious Kali Mist, Sensi Jack Herer and many other have been changed since originally released, hence why you were told to get the "Pre-98" or whatever version as that is the year that particular strain was modified

 

[The Conundrum]

autoflower ... you're getting more of the same comments that led you to make this thread. Sorry to see that. Seed companies do change their strains make up without notice Serious, Sensi and Dutch Passion come to mind vividly. There are strains with the same name, there are reworkings of old lines, and sometimes people just throw a popular name on their product to sell it regardless of its origin. Your best bet IMHO is to find something (or things) you like to grow and smoke and grow/smoke it. Ignore the he said she said crap.

 

[yts farmer]

@autoflower, let us know what seed variety your after and im sure someone can point you into the direction of the best breeder to get your beans from.

btw ak from serious isnt the same thing as what it was 6 years ago.

 

[chubbynugs]

marijuanamat i didnt realize that thanks. woodeye im not stupid and i realize that all these new cats are just making copies and crosses of the classics. im talking more about legendary strains from the old school breeders such as sensi;DP;FDM;legends;federation;paradise;soma;BCSC;dr. atomic;jordan of the islands;sagamartha;th seeds. so if i get mikado or early girl or NL or shiva skunk or big bud from one of those legendary breeders WILL IT BE THE REAL DEAL?

I know the mikado now is nothing like the original.

 

[alpinestar]

-more experienced smokers may have had less tolerance years ago compared to now

-some breeders that worked for companies took off with their plants. shantibaba for example, took his hazes with him from greenhouse. the unfortunate thing is that we dont know if he just took the mother plants or the mothers and all the clones. maybe the people at greenhouse have new haze mothers made from clones of shanti's stuff before he left? either way it doesnt matter because people will argue and argue this forever and no one neither shantibaba and mr nice seeds, nor anyone at greenhouse will be 100% clear about the situations, all they want to say is that they cant comment on their competitors and that they know that theirs has to to real... it is what it is

-supposedly neville tok his stock with him from sensi seeds... but i think this could be a load of bs

seed companies such as sensi and serious are open about the fact that they continually try to improve some of their varieties. you need to understand that a person may say the old one was better because of x trait being this way... but they may have missed out on the fact that yeah x category may not be as good on the new version, but y,w,and z traits are improved

 

[Mister Postman]

Genetics can change over time.. You have to realize that even if you grow say northern lights from seed, each plant will hold slightly varied genetics from the next plant. even though they are from the same parents, and all considered northern lights. Just like us humans and our siblings, close genetically, but not 100% identical in all regards.

If the breeder who produces those seeds, relocates, gets busted, or for whatever reason looses one or both of his original parental plants he may select similar looking siblings of the parents to continue on the strain-selling seeds. Although the strain is still considered/sold as northern lights, the seeds he's now selling will never be exactly the same as they were originally, and that's do to the slight variety in genetics siblings have from one another.

Thus if someone recommends a pre this or that, they are speaking of a time period where the two best (In their opinion) parentals were paired, and used to create the seeds, and that would most likely mean that the Subsequent breedings post this or that date where created with a different parent or set of parents which changed the outcome of the seeds to some degree be it flavor-yield more indica or sativa etc.

Some breeders may loose their original parental plants, and some may just choose to update or take their line in another direction. Either reason will change the outcome of the seeds u buy and grow, and may cause growers/smokers to like seeds from one time period more then another

 

[barletta]

MrNice genetics are from the same parental stock, for the most part, from day 1. Shantibaba was the head breeder @ Greenhouse seeds until 1996 I think. That is 1 of the reasons for the pre-96 GH talk. He left GH with most if not all of the parental stock required to continue the seedlines. I also read somewhere (and believe it due to the differences in the plants) that Arjan has lost most if not all of the "P" stock that Shanti left.
He also took his plants with him. The following strains MrN are unchanged (to my knowlege):

Black Widow = Orig WW
SSH
La Nina = old school el nino
Medicine Man = orig White Rhino
Shark Shock = Orig White Shark
Neville's Haze
Devil = old school Red Devil

Shanti mentions something about Spice being nicer than the 1 that left, so I assume that strain has been worked some.... The other MrN strains I dunno about, but Shanti is (IMHO) 1 of the most respected/honest breeders in the game.

I believe that Simon @ Serious Seeds 'updates' the strains from time to time. That's why the pre-98 Kali Mist is spoken of, and any other 'pre' when it comes to Serious.

I thought that Neville sold copies (of course he retained copies which found their way into first GH's now MrN's breeding programs) of his parental stock to Sensi in the early 90's, but I dunno if they have changed the strains since.

 

[autoflower]

man, thanks alot guys youve all helped alot but now i think im more fugging pist than before because its fugging bullshite that breeders arent truthfull about changes to strains especially the big boys like sensi and DP.............shame on them. and more to the point i was considering ordering sensi earlygirl and shiva shanti; federations mikado; dr. atomics NL; BCSC five-o. basically any indoor strains that are big yielders with a short maturation time (6-7weeks) and earlygirl b/c its the quickest outdoor for my area (42 degrees new york) and finishes by the last week of august. thanks alot guys.

 

[barletta]

If you are thinking bout that five-o, look @ MrN spice. I have 2 quick females and they are DELICIOUS. The fastest thing that I have in my garden is MrN Shit (45days), which is probably similar to shiva shanti. I am at ~ the same latitude, and no non-auto strain will finish that early here, I don't care WHAT they claim to sell seeds. You are looking at mid to late Sept at the absolute earliest, unless you shade them or take other steps to make em finish quicker. I will be running Early Queen from MrN to find my outdoor producer and to make a few thousand f2's to throw around.....

MrN gets my biz because they are honest with the genetics, and 16+ per pack, AND they are KILLER......and if you have an issue, they stand behind they beans.

 

[Lilly456]

^^^I have to agree about Mr Nice Seeds they are really all exceptional.Watch out for Sensi's Early Girl due to its general lack of potency.You would rather have some MNS Shit that almost finished than some well done(9/20) Early Girl.Believe me though Sensi does have some fantastic weed, no doubt.Their G-13/Hash plant will finish by 10/15 or 20 at your Lat and will keep you on the couch for the winter.Best of luck to ya, Lilly.