dual-arc [hps and mh] 1K light bulbs.

[DIGITALHIPPY]

got 3 of the solar-max's.


anyone use these yet?

 

[headiez247]

um what the fuck is that? I'm intrigued.

Half and half? What about my switchable ballast which would you select lol?

my plan was to have one 1k with MH and 1HPS for a week or so before I changed to 12/12 but that involves moving the plants around daily since the lights are spread apart...

 

[00420]

got 3 of the solar-max's.


anyone use these yet?

cant wait to see you use it DH i been EYEing them but was thinking that they don't put off like a 1k but more like a 400mh/600hps good luck all be keeping a look out for your test

What about my switchable ballast which would you select lol?

hps

 

[NorCalFor20]

i see you got some, lets see some pics in action, how do you like it?

I was contemplating running one but didn't like how there was essentially a 600 and 400 instead of being equal in wattage- but I want to see how you like it.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

i see you got some, lets see some pics in action, how do you like it?

I was contemplating running one but didn't like how there was essentially a 600 and 400 instead of being equal in wattage- but I want to see how you like it.

the 400 and the 600 already exist, so just weld-em-together.

i will say AT THE STORE he found 2 bad bulbs... and one of my 3 burned up within a few hours. so 3 bad bulbs for 2 good ones.

DONT BUY THESE FUCKERS ONLINE!!!! return will be RETARDED STUPID and oftin it seams...

what expensive pieces of junk..i dont know how anyone makes money...
ok lets skip my anger.
action!


broken POS.

tommorow i get another new one.... so 3 bad bulbs and 3 good bulbs, what a poor product, maybe the hortilux will be better, im going to force a swap to all hortilux if another one breaks.

 

[NorCalFor20]

the 400 and the 600 already exist, so just weld-em-together.

i will say AT THE STORE he found 2 bad bulbs... and one of my 3 burned up within a few hours. so 3 bad bulbs for 2 good ones.

DONT BUY THESE FUCKERS ONLINE!!!! return will be RETARDED STUPID and oftin it seams...

what expensive pieces of junk..i dont know how anyone makes money...
ok lets skip my anger.
action!


broken POS.

tommorow i get another new one.... so 3 bad bulbs and 3 good bulbs, what a poor product, maybe the hortilux will be better, im going to force a swap to all hortilux if another one breaks.

damn 3/6 bad bulbs?

i assume the white colored light is the dual arc bulb and the yellowish light is the hps?

The ones that work, how do you like them- is the intensity comparable to a regular 1k hps?

How would you use them, all the way through the grow- or just in veg or flower what? Seems like it has the spectrum of the CMH light if that white light coming from you hood is indeed the dual arc.

Did you get the bulbs local or online?

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

damn 3/6 bad bulbs?

i assume the white colored light is the dual arc bulb and the yellowish light is the hps?

The ones that work, how do you like them- is the intensity comparable to a regular 1k hps?

How would you use them, all the way through the grow- or just in veg or flower what? Seems like it has the spectrum of the CMH light if that white light coming from you hood is indeed the dual arc.

Did you get the bulbs local or online?

always my local "guy" first name basis, what can i say.
yea the white hoods are the dual-arcs' untill one went out. there actualy a good idea, and true to nature with mh/hps.
i think the penetration might be a bit better then a 1KHPS, maybe because i got a cheapy hps tho. none the less the extra light is great, it looks JUST AS if not BRIGHTER then the regular hps...IMO...
im just going to rock these in the flower from start-to end. ive got a expensive enhanced MH for veg i use.
this link has the PAR chart, it looks good.[more info too.]
http://www.rambridge.com/products/garden/light/solarm/solarone.html

 

[clowntown]

Nice. I've been eyeing these as well, but ultimately decided that they probably won't be worth it and will most likely not produce the penetration of the "native" 1k bulbs... just a guess...

I'd love to see the results; think this might be the first show with 'em on IC...



Also... a lot of for trying out all these new ideas, products, and techniques.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Nice. I've been eyeing these as well, but ultimately decided that they probably won't be worth it and will most likely not produce the penetration of the "native" 1k bulbs... just a guess...

I'd love to see the results; think this might be the first show with 'em on IC...



Also... a lot of for trying out all these new ideas, products, and techniques.

dont look at the lumin count, the bottom leafs under the dual-arc's VISUALY get more light then the HPS. but yea, expensive, expensive, expensive.

 

[clowntown]

Not really the lumen count that got me (I didn't even see, by the way), but the fact that it's really a 600w arc tube and a 400w arc tube, meaning that the intensity at the same distance from the arc tube isn't that much higher than a 600w and a 400w. The way I understand (I could be completely wrong) this, true 1000w bulbs / arc tubes is that all that energy (1000w, give or take) shot out from the same tube, and has greater penetration (i.e., intensity) at the same distance than two smaller tubes placed next to each other. For instance, I don't think you can get the same (or greater) intensity from two 600w (total 1200w) bulbs sitting next to each other, compared to a single 1000w bulb. It might produce more total light in the area covered, but at a given distance I don't know if it out-intensify. Again not sure on this.

The real advantage I can possibly see from this is the plants responding better to more optimal conditions (in terms of the amounts of light received at certain wavelengths) than with a single type of bulb...

You've done a 4 x 600w grow in the past, using two HPS and two MH, right? Even though they're different strains and different environment, maybe you could at least draw at least a "fluffy" conclusion on how different it is to have both types of lighting close together rather than spread out?

By the way... how much a piece, locally?

 

[Maj.PotHead]

lol seen them last yr at local hydro shop i was interested untill duder said 225$ for the thing ouch

 

[Murphy]

:jawdrop: Damn, $225........best of luck with those DH.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

:jawdrop: Damn, $225........best of luck with those DH.

$170...

hey clown, i ran a 1K mh and 600+400hps in the past, and as u said, the 4x600 thing for a while... and the plants directly under the mh light are more stout, whereas the HPS plants are usualy a bit strechy.

ill get some lumin readings with my lumin meter mid-canopy for you.

i have a cheap silvana, and a other 'no-name' 1K hps that both SUCK compared these dual-arcs...
as i said visualy the penetration is WAY BETTER with the dualbulbs.

im anticipating that the mh influance will make the plants below be super-dense. considering there in the middle of my room it should be very beneficial. got a new bulb at the store today. hope it lasts.

these bulbs have 100000 lumins BTW.

 

[Guest 18340]

Interesting.
I posted a question about these bulbs a month ago but got no response.
i was concerned about lumen out-put but...
My local shop carries the Hortilux and it only puts out 110,00 lumens, compared to 145,000 lumens for there hps.
I'l wait around for your final results Digi'... Evl
PS Are you running it on a hps or mh ballast?

 

[clowntown]

I'm not DH, but...

My local shop carries the Hortilux and it only puts out 110,00 lumens, compared to 145,000 lumens for there hps.

The Hortilux what @ 110k, compared to whose 145k HPS?

PS Are you running it on a hps or mh ballast?

Runs on HPS.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

The Hortilux what @ 110k, compared to whose 145k HPS?

hortilux makes a dual arc like my bulbs, and he was talking about the super hps horti aswell.

im thinking of trying to talk my boy into a fourth bulb and give me some credit on my month old cheapy hps..maybe ill have a fourth tommorow.
im big on the full spectrum thing right now, im going to upgrade all my lights to these, and the 6th when i add it.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to clowntown again.

 

[Guest 18340]

Sorry, shoulda been clearer. The 1000 w hortlux dual arc puts out 110,000 lumens, while the hortilux hps puts out 145,000 lumens.
I guess the combined spectrums make up for the lumen loss
Havent seen anybody else here using those bulbs so this thread should pave the way.

 

[clowntown]

In terms of traditional lumen output count, MH is always lower than HPS, which partly accounts for this lower number, as well as the smaller & slightly less efficient arc tube (i.e., 400w MH). This doesn't necessarily mean anything in our hobby, though.

Bit of a bummer to hear about the quality issues but if you think about it, it's not all that surprising... considering a typical Chinese sweatshop is likely producing these. Each bulb requires more steps and labor to manufacture, and consequently, more room for error. I would hope either that this was just a bad lot / batch, or they get with the program in the future and step up their quality control.

DIGITALHIPPY, so far have you noticed whether you can get the lights closer to the canopy than a traditional, single arc tube HPS (including Hortilux)?

 

[simba]

not to just come in and diss. but those things are the Biggest POS i ever did see..
its horrid no matter how you look at it.
You really are better off buying 2 bulbs..600 watt hps and 400 mh (i really like cmh but for this argument lets stay on hps/mh)

1. if one lamp fails both are done.. (mh has horrid lumen maint even more than HPS so it needs replacing first any ways)
2. the life is so short. shorter than either hps or mh buy themselfs.
3.Price is so loony toons especialy for its life even vs hps and mh bulb seperatly..
4. AKA POPERS in the Horti Shops..

the manufacture is Ushio if im not mistaken..

also as to the dual arc.. it gets toasty in there.
and its getting the one end of the hps arc hotter than the other so its not uniformly temped.. so theres multi strains on the hps arc tube.. and the mh arc tube burns hotter than HPS so it cooks it even more..
and when the metals get hot they expand and contract a bit.. and the arc tubes get a bit of pressure..
all those things is the reason for the Uber short life..


ClownTown,Regarding "DIGITALHIPPY, so far have you noticed whether you can get the lights closer to the canopy than a traditional, single arc tube HPS (including Hortilux)?"
are you asking comparing that 1kw dual arc (600hps,400mh) to a 600 hps or 1kw hps.. single arc tube..?
just want clarity..

 

[clowntown]

simba, comparing that to a traditional single arc 1 kW HPS. At this time I agree and feel that these dual-arc bulbs are gimmicky, but I don't know anything as I've never seen two lights mixed that closely. The closest that I've seen was similar to the 4x600 show, but I think that's almost a different ballpark since the only parts getting enough of both at the same time were the plants in between the hoods getting the "overlap"...

DrBudGreengenes says he's been running dual-arc bulbs since '87 on 430w HPS... kept trying to tell him that the 430w Son-Agro (or any 430w) isn't a dual-arc but he keeps insisting, and calling me a noob & other names... so what the F do I know. Sigh... I guess if you've been growing for 20 years you can just make up anything and expect people to believe you...