Growing in Soil sure is fun!

[Moleculist]

Well this grow is me learning what i'm doing, I didn't start feeding nearly as early as I should have, however they're doing great now. Ph has been somewhat problematic, but never more than some yellowing here and there.

There's one plant that is a seed from a bag of g13 and some random dank purple weed. I don't know which it is from, but I'm excited. It's much smaller, only a few weeks old and I just topped it recently. I'll take a pic of it soon. It's got pretty wide leaves, but has been growing upwards at a decent rate.

Once I get the blueberry going, I'll be feeling a lot better about what I have. Then again, I took about a dozen clones today so hopefully most will root and ill probably flower those 12/12 from the start.

 

[Moleculist]

I'm leaning towards growing some strawberry diesel or lemon/sour diesel. Also, I really love the taste/smell of kush so I'm going to have to get some cuttings from a friend after these finish.

Anyone have suggestions for good strains to grow in soil with organics?

I have a special place in my heart for semi-fruity smelling strains and also really really stinky strains that just exude that classic lemon-piney weed smell. High/yield is almost less important. I care mostly about taste/smell, potency less so, since if I want to get higher Ill just smoke more. And if it tastes/smells great, smoking more is extra pleasant. My stoned thinking, anyways :

 

[Moleculist]

For some reason I just decided to try out hydroponics. I have a 5 gallon bucket now running a water pump every hour for 15 minutes of a solution of PBP veg and Fish emulsion at ph 6.5 and 650ppm. All in that funny little clay ball medium. Going to be putting everything into flower in a week or so provided these clones do well.

 

[toodles]

Moleculist:

IMO, you'd be better off doing a soil grow, but then what does a rookie like me know? Organic or chemical soil grow. You can't mix them together though like some tend to do. It doesn't take much in the way of fertilizer salts to kill off the most of the beneficial soil microbes.

Not trying to be unkind? What a bunch of malarchy you were mos def trying to talk shit sayin i cant grow cause i have a N deficiency? So i guess youve never had a deficiency since you can throw stones saying i dont know what im talkin about cause i have a deficiency?

Oh and my girl stitch in the infirmary has always taught me NEVER to feed every watering, but i guess what does she know right toodle? She's only publishing a book on the complete guide to sick plants im sure she doesnt know shit.

And yes of course its my opinion about molasses just like 80% of your tips are your opinion as well. We are all entitled to those.

Making seeds is a very easy thing to do but you will never get the quality seeds that a breeder acquires through selective breeding of hundreds if not sometimes thousands of plants, usually looking for that special male. Thats all i was saying, and yes that is my OPINION.

So good job tryin to one up this girl.

Nothing you said in this long diatribe pertains to what I **ACTUALLY** said about you and/or your grow. Folks whose reading comprehension level is beyond middle school level can see that. Please don't attribute things to me that I didn't say.

I admire Stitch for her patience in helping people here. She Burn1 and the others do a wonderful job here. However, they'd be the first to tell you that they don't have all the answers, nobody does.

This is how I see it. You overloaded your ass back there a ways. You got called on it. You don't like it. I don't blame you because....

We ALL do it now and then. I've done, now you've done it, every mothers son out there does it from time to time. It's human nature.

My suggestion is get over it and move on.

Having said that, I'll leave y'all to it.

Moleculist, good luck!!

Toodles

 

[toodles]

Never feed every watering, only every other. Molasses is a waste. Also PBP makes a bloom for soil. I wouldnt waste time with seeds, let the pros make em.

That's what you actually said that started all this.

And now this is now what YOU are saying you said. Maybe YOU don't see the inconsistency, but I do.

"Not trying to be unkind? What a bunch of malarchy you were mos def trying to talk shit sayin i cant grow cause i have a N deficiency? So i guess youve never had a deficiency since you can throw stones saying i dont know what im talkin about cause i have a deficiency?

You said the yellowing was a P deficit, not N. Which is it?
I've had nute deficits/overloads. Very few but I just posted one(overload) we all make mistakes. The trick is to learn from them.

Oh and my girl stitch in the infirmary has always taught me NEVER to feed every watering, but i guess what does she know right toodle? She's only publishing a book on the complete guide to sick plants im sure she doesnt know shit.

I never said anything about Stitch until my last post. I'd have to see her exact words, but if she makes a "blanket" statement like you did (never feed every watering", then, indeed, Stitch is wrong...IMO and in the opinion of many others....too many to count.

And yes of course its my opinion about molasses just like 80% of your tips are your opinion as well. We are all entitled to those.

No you said "molasses is a waste". That's not stated as an "opinion". It's an unqualified "blanket" statement...just like the one about feedind every watering. And it is wrong, period. Again, it depends on the sort of grow you're doing. Go tell the organic guys "molasses is a waste". See what you hear back.

80% of my tips are my opinion? 80% huh? not 70, or 26,?

How about maybe 99.44% of my tips are my "opinion". The difference is I try to support my "opinions" with the best information I can.

Making seeds is a very easy thing to do but you will never get the quality seeds that a breeder acquires through selective breeding of hundreds if not sometimes thousands of plants, usually looking for that special male. Thats all i was saying, and yes that is my OPINION.

Again you're backpeddling on what you originally said.

"Seeds are a waste of time. Leave them to the Pros" That's not stated as an opinion. And there you go with those perjorative words like "never" as in "you will never get the quality seeds..." That's just factually untrue. Ask any reputable breeder. I suspect there are many amatuer breeders out there who have made some very nice seeds as well. Never say never

So good job tryin to one up this girl."

I'm not trying to "one up" you, or anyone here. I just don't like seeing bad information go unchallenged.

And it's Toodles with an "s" on the end.

ToodleLoo

Toodles

 

[Moleculist]

I think you two both have different ways of growing. Weed is such a versatile plant that any number of combinations work well, it seems. Some stuffs works with some strains in some grows and that is why you try all kinds of things, if they help, keep em, if not try something else.

Can everyone agree to disagree and to smoke a spliff? heh

 

[toodles]

This is not about a difference of opinion on how to grow. I realize you're trying to get us to quit arguing

I'll stop picking Pirate apart if she will agree to be a bit more careful with her words.

I know she meant what she said to be her opinion, but that's not how she said it.

I'm an old 60+ guy so keep that in mind. I was educated in during an era when language, grammer, syntax, etc. meant something. I confess that I often take words I see to mean exactly what they say, literally. I'm not going to apologize for that though....

In my opinion, we all need to be careful about how we say things here on the forums. If we aren't careful, then people draw the wrong inferences and conclusions from what we say. That's never a good thing in my book.

I have to go fix dinner.

Old 60+ grandfatherly bachelors need their energy too.

And a nice SSH spliff after dinner will go well

Toodles

 

[Moleculist]

This is not about a difference of opinion on how to grow. I realize you're trying to get us to quit arguing

I'll stop picking Pirate apart if she will agree to be a bit more careful with her words.

I know she meant what she said to be her opinion, but that's not how she said it.

I'm an old 60+ guy so keep that in mind. I was educated in during an era when language, grammer, syntax, etc. meant something. I confess that I often take words I see to mean exactly what they say, literally. I'm not going to apologize for that though....

In my opinion, we all need to be careful about how we say things here on the forums. If we aren't careful, then people draw the wrong inferences and conclusions from what we say. That's never a good thing in my book.

I have to go fix dinner.

Old 60+ grandfatherly bachelors need their energy too.

And a nice SSH spliff after dinner will go well

Toodles

As to your comments on wording, my god do I agree with you. Strunk and White's Elements of Style is my bible and I looooove the English language. I got really into learning old-english (anglo-saxon) and I speak French basically fluently so I find English a beautiful, fascinating language. It's basically two languages in one that people happen to know both of, which makes it an incredibly versatile language.

And yeah, a SSH spliff should sort everything out, I'm about to smoke a spliff of some papaya, some seriously beautiful weed.

 

[Pirate138]

This is not about a difference of opinion on how to grow. I realize you're trying to get us to quit arguing

I'll stop picking Pirate apart if she will agree to be a bit more careful with her words.

I know she meant what she said to be her opinion, but that's not how she said it.

I'm an old 60+ guy so keep that in mind. I was educated in during an era when language, grammer, syntax, etc. meant something. I confess that I often take words I see to mean exactly what they say, literally. I'm not going to apologize for that though....

In my opinion, we all need to be careful about how we say things here on the forums. If we aren't careful, then people draw the wrong inferences and conclusions from what we say. That's never a good thing in my book.

I have to go fix dinner.

Old 60+ grandfatherly bachelors need their energy too.

And a nice SSH spliff after dinner will go well

Toodles

Your obviously a flaming troll who is VERY rude to growers and women. I never once flamed you or ever said anything about your grow yet YOU start a fight taking it on yourself to bad mouth my private grow thread! You are such a troll! I swear if you have some poor wife you better hold on to her with your arthritic hands cause no other woman in her right mind would ever deal with your callous ass.

Oh and your bragging like you have more education than me? Screw you troll im in graduate school.

Like i would even want an apology from someone as insignificant as you toodles, go crawl back under your bridge humpback.

 

[theoldinout]

I'm an old 60+ guy so keep that in mind. I was educated in during an era when language, grammer, syntax, etc. meant something.

Hey man! That's a lo blo! I'm 24 yeers oldd and I frequently out-grammar, languify and de-syntax peeple of all ages.

And a nice SSH spliff after dinner will go well

Toodles

That's troo!

PS: The directness/harshness/blanket statements of her first post was what got to me as well. Remember folks, we can only read what is 'written' by you, so if it's written 'CLEARLY' one way, you cannot blame others for inferring an opposite view-point. That's lame.

Moleculist: What strain are you gonna throw in that 5 gal bucket? One bucket shouldn't be too hard to handle alongside the soil babies. Don't listen to that young whipper-snapper toodles! (He's definitely a rookie)

Cheers to all!

 

[Moleculist]

I threw a bagseed from either g13 or some random dank purple weed into it. It was only a single seed, but a healthy one, so I suspect it was probably a hermy produced seed. Hopefully it is, meaning I won't be wasting that time in the bucket (transplanted today and it is already growing like crazy) on a male. Hopefully it isn't and it turns out to be a female without hermy tendencies.

Time will tell, hopefully it will work out for the best

 

[theoldinout]

Your obviously a flaming troll who is VERY rude to growers and women.

What? Growers AND women? I'll second that. Also, I'm pretty sure he hates babies and dogs. His articulate nature and clear denotative thinking disgusts me.

C'mon people, let's all join in on the fun! What else does toodles hate? Love-letters? Life? The earth? He's rude to them all.

I like Pirate, she has spunk. Pirate, we should combine forces, become sucker-punching champions of the world. I love women, so we'd be cool there.

 

[theoldinout]

Time will tell, hopefully it will work out for the best

Awesome! I'm sure it will!

 

[toodles]

This is a quote from our "graduate school" grower:

Apparently the school system is in more trouble than I thought. Your rantings look like they were written by a junior high drop out.

I highly recommend you by a copy of Strunk and White's Elements of Style. theoldinout
heartens me by bringing up that book of. I also have a copy.

"Your obviously a flaming troll who is VERY rude to growers and women. I never once flamed you or ever said anything about your grow yet YOU start a fight taking it on yourself to bad mouth my private grow thread! You are such a troll! I swear if you have some poor wife you better hold on to her with your arthritic hands cause no other woman in her right mind would ever deal with your callous ass.

Oh and your bragging like you have more education than me? Screw you troll im in graduate school.

Like i would even want an apology from someone as insignificant as you toodles, go crawl back under your bridge humpback."

Look pirate You want to keep this up, I can go a long time. I'm not only an old troll..I survived two deployments toViet Nam. I'll survive here on ICMAG.

theoldinout is correct. you do have a lot of spunk. You need to learn to temper it though. You also need to learn to admit defeat when you are wrong...as is the case here.

I know "humble pie" ain't very tastey, but we all have to eat it now and then. Humility **IS** a virtue as I'm finding out late in life. I've been wrong on here in the past and had to "back off". Something for you to to think about.

Gotta run eat breakfast and do a little work.

Toodleloo

Toodles


theoldinout

GLAD to see English is still alive with younger folks. The education system is still in the dumper though from my point of view. We can talk about that another time if you want

Thanks for the support. I'm an equal opportunity offender as they say. I call em like I see um. I don't dislike Pirate, but I am not about to take any crap from anyone here when they make the sort of statements she did. I've gotten into it with far more "difficult" debating opponents than Pirate.

 

[toodles]

This is what Pirate said to me on another thread unrelated to this one. She is quoting me out of context, but I'll let that slide for the moment:

Originally Posted by toodles
Maybe so. My experience with weed is limited.
Toodles
Rookie Grower



Pirate said:

So why are you then flaming me sayin i cant advice cause i have a deficiency? Im getting flamed by someone who is a rookie and doesnt have much experience with cannabis?
__________________________
Nobody ever listened to me until they didn't know who I was. - Banksy

One need not be an expert grower to give advice. My experience with weed **IS** limited, but it is not nil. And...as I have said before, my general growing experience **IS** relevant to many aspects of growing weed. Cannabis is, as I have said before, a member of the Plant Kingdom. Growing cannabis is not unlike growing many other flowering annual "weeds".

That said, ones credibility when it comes to giving advice, is partly based on ones actual growing results. I was referring indirectly to that "yellow" plant of yours. That's a sorry looking plant by any objective standard. That's where my comment seems to have pissed you off. That may have been a bit harsh/unfair but life is often unfair. You're in for a tough life if this lil episode sets you off like it did. And so...

I said it was cheeky of you to give advice based on your results. One can draw many inferences from that comment. And I DID mean it as a dig of sorts on you at the time.

However, rather than review your own statements and looking to see if you had maybe made an error or could have said what you said better...you came out swinging at me. And you've been swinging ever since.

Now for something I hope will be positive for you.

You could have made your points about watering/feeding, molasses, and seeds in a number of ways which would have been much less perjorative. The following is my **opinion** on one way you might have worded your first post:

"Never feed every water, only every other."

I would not recommend watering every cycle in a chemical fertilizer grow.

"Molasses is a waste."

I believe molasses is a waste of time in a chemical fertilizer grow.

"Seeds are a waste of time"

IMO you should leave seedmaking to the professional breeders until you have more growing experience.


Now, I may still have "rebutted" those statements, maybe...but I would have responded far differently. The statements above are still challengable, but at least they are stated as "opinions" and not some fact carved in stone.


And a word about invoking "Stitch". Stitch is a wonderful person. She gives great advice. She has the patience of Job. I couldn't deal with all those people the way she does. Stitch is still a member of the human race though and therefore is subject to err...like me...like ALL of us. You need to be careful about carving something in stone just because ONE person says it...no matter who they are.

Here is what you said back a ways:

"Oh and my girl stitch in the infirmary has always taught me NEVER to feed every watering, but i guess what does she know right toodle? She's only publishing a book on the complete guide to sick plants im sure she doesnt know shit".

If Stitch said that...those precise words, in that context, then she is wrong...in my opinion...and I'll take it up with her if need be. The fact is many people feed in some manner EVERY watering....especially organic growers.

Back to the grind

Toodles

 

[theoldinout]

This is a quote from our "graduate school" grower:

Always in graduate school, never a graduate?

 

[Moleculist]

My hydro system gives nutes to a plant every hour. If a plant can take that, maybe they can take light, daily waterings also?

Also, my ppm is about 750 right now. The plant is about 6 inches. Should I raise or lower the ppm?

 

[Moleculist]

Always in graduate school, never a graduate?

I first went to Uni in 2001. I'll graduate probably 2009/2010 hehehehe

 

[toodles]

My hydro system gives nutes to a plant every hour. If a plant can take that, maybe they can take light, daily waterings also?

Also, my ppm is about 750 right now. The plant is about 6 inches. Should I raise or lower the ppm?

First, I'm not a hydro grower. I had an aborted hydro grow back in 1989 I think. My wife made me kill the grow because she didn't want the thing going while we were away for a week. And I aborted one here when I couldn't keep the pH stable for any length of time. My tap water was too hard, two much Ca. I live in an apartment and I wasn't going to invest in an RO. So I switched to soil, chem at first, then I went to organics....So I'm not going to comment on your PPMs. Other here are way more qualified to advise you on that.

"If a plant can take that, maybe they can take light, daily waterings also?
"

I assume you mean a soil grown plant? IMO, no.

Daily waterings are a nono for me UNLESS you are good at understanding how to water, have the right type of soil mix, etc. The problem is cannabis doesn't like to stay wet. The roots need O2 as well as water/nutes. I see plants on here from time to time. People just can't resist "daily" watering...just a lilbit, she looked dry you know, blah blah. One of the worst habits there is....IMO.

Regarding feeding with every watering in chemical fertilizer grows, it can be done. The short explanation is that you use very dilute doses of your fertilizer every watering, usually when the plant is growing vigorously. The theory is light , continuous feeding puts less stress on the plant. Larger doses on a less frequent basis cause the available nutes to go through peaks and valleys. That's one rational that some growers use for chem grows.

**I **am not saying it is a good way to go, OR a bad way to grow. I'm just repeating what I understand to be one of the reasons people grow that way.

Water when the plant needs water, and not before...then water it thoroughly. That's my opinion in one sentence.

I have one plant that is not doing so hot, although she's doing better now. She hasn't been watered since last Thursday. This afternoon when I took pics of all three plants for my grow thread (not on ICMAG), she was finally feeling light enough to water tomorrow AM.

Toodles


Here's a tip for you. I have nute burned leaves on my #4 plant (90% of which is on new growth on/near tops). Nobody to blame but me. I knew a long time ago that #4 was a sativa dominant pheno, yet I kept feeding her the same strength nute solution as the other two indica dom plants....And my thinking is that is why she got burned. I knew from past experience that my sativa/haze dominant SSH phenos didn't need much for nutes. They are very efficient plants. So my laziness and lack of attention to detail caused me to burn them...and it does piss me off because I am a good grower...IMO of course But she is doing ok now. Still light in the resin department, but that's OK. She is going to finish as a very nice plant...IMO.

The tip in all this is since you are growing out bagseed, you aren't going to have a good idea of the range of phenotypes you might get. So my tip is be "conservative" at first when feeding. Plants recover faster from underfeeding than overfeeding, especially early on....IMO Second, try to ID what sort of plant you have as early as possible. That will help you make your decision on nutes. In my example above, I knew 6 weeks ago this plant was very likely a sativa dominant plant. I posted about it several times. I didn't read my own damn thread LOL!! Don't make the same dumbass mistake I made.

 

[toodles]

theoldinout

Recognize these?

Toodles